This. You could upgrade them by bulldog club rank I guess, then sell out the uppers, process the upgrades, then sell the vacated uppers again. But, that creates an additional problem, since the lower price paid for the lowers results in an increased profit margin to be made by reselling the lowers to visiting fans. So, the only real solution is to improve the product in the field.
Enough about Kiffin. How do we keep visiting fans from taking over the East side year after year?
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I agree with you on the Lebby Error. I'm just talking in general.
Most of us knew Lebby was a bad hire from the beginning, so nobody bought tickets.
You're notorious for trying to act like things just are what they are and can't be better. Just wanting a winner is no different than what anybody else does. I keep trying to tell you all that we have to do things differently.
Things SUCK at MSU currently, overall. Your way doesn't work. You can't just blindly go hire coaches. We need a detailed plan.
"nerdy *** POOR bastards" is right. We are the lowest paid faculty in the SEC. The Starkville housing market is ridiculously overpriced, to the point where new faculty and staff are living in Louisville and surrounding communities. No joke, this year the university started an official food drive to help out employees who couldn't afford Thanksgiving meals. Charitable kindness = yes, but also a full admission that our pay scale is woefully lacking.
So yeah (even though I don't buy season tix), I'd scalp them too and not feel one bit of guilt for not attending a game to watch athletes who are getting paid more in one year than I'll make in a decade.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen as many visiting fans as Tennessee brought. I expected more Georgia and Texas fans than there were.
Some of you are thinking too big picture here. This problem can be mostly (or at least partially) solved by simply getting season ticket asses in those seats from other lower priced parts of the stadium. By either a lottery or bulldog club rank or whatever. I know some of our simpleton fan base is too risk averse to think this would work, but this is 2025 and the Templeton troughs are long gone.
And placing faculty in the nose bleeds would take care of one section.
Winning is obviousy the solution but that's not happening.
And placing faculty in the nose bleeds would take care of one section.
Winning is obviousy the solution but that's not happening.
Why does it matter to you so much where a visiting fan is sitting? I’m not being sarcastic. It’s a real question because it seems to be a major part of what changes you are suggesting.
Change in strategy, we yank them up to their shoulders so their heads won’t fit in their ***.
Can't Lebby just buy the entire faculty ticket allotment from them and give the to state fans, with his unearned multimillion dollar salary?
You're the king of lil ole moo. And of course, hurt feelings.
Let's just keep on keepin' on. One day we'll get lucky. Aww shucks.
Wait, I thought you “checked out” on Mississippi State sports anyway.You're the king of lil ole moo. And of course, hurt feelings.
Let's just keep on keepin' on. One day we'll get lucky. Aww shucks.
One more thing..... Selmon screwed up raising prices in a downturn (on numerous fronts)
Current BC donation per seat ... 20-$250; 21-$250 (F&S 125), 19,22-$150; 18,23-$100.... and I beleive that goes up $50 across the board next year.
I've sat on the east side for years. Currently we sold 3/4 seats in sections 18-23. We need to try to concentrate those buying tickets on the east into a few sections to allow as few as unsold seats as possible.
Make sections 19-22 a $150 donation per seat. Fill the seats based on BC priority at the 50.
Make section 23 F&S and other season ticket sales at $100 per seat.
Give section 17-18 to students.
Current BC donation per seat ... 20-$250; 21-$250 (F&S 125), 19,22-$150; 18,23-$100.... and I beleive that goes up $50 across the board next year.
I've sat on the east side for years. Currently we sold 3/4 seats in sections 18-23. We need to try to concentrate those buying tickets on the east into a few sections to allow as few as unsold seats as possible.
Make sections 19-22 a $150 donation per seat. Fill the seats based on BC priority at the 50.
Make section 23 F&S and other season ticket sales at $100 per seat.
Give section 17-18 to students.
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I think you are right on track, get people from other cheaper areas into the east side seats. But still say you can't move the F&S because there is nobody to replace them.
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That means a*showed form LSU, Alabama, and Ole Miss would be comfortable in their chairback seats.
It also means we be comfortable but less ticket to sell in after market.
I don't understand. The whole point of this post is about figuring out ways to get visiting asses out of the lower east and replacing them with season ticket holding asses. So our stadium and University isn't made a mockery of and so our team doesn't have to deal with east side crows noise at home. It seems like a combination of quite a few ideas would either work, or at least put a dent in the problem while we fail to win games.
The Tennessee situation was horrible to witness, not just the on field performance, but the amount of orange in lower east. This is a bigger problem than many believe and I don't think the University is serious about creative solutions to solve the problem. Maybe I was a little harsh on the faculty, but their section has been the biggest issue over the past few years. I think "it's unfair to move upper deck season ticket holders down to the bottom" is a lazy, stubborn, and outdated mindset when finding solutions for this.
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11,000 tickets were available for each game through the ticket office ...until we buy season tickets they will continue to be sold to whoever calls ...ohh and for all of you who think it's season ticket holders selling tickets ...less that 2,000 of the tickets on the secondary market per game were from season ticket holders ...when there are only 33,000 these are the issues that are going to come up.
I understand that. But the goal here is for the University to find a way to transition more of those available tickets (seats that no season ticket holder bought) to the upper deck, while moving more season ticket holders who have a better chance of attending big games to the lower deck. Available tickets are available tickets, but the problem is how many available ones we have on the lower deck, especially east.
Maybe they do this on a game by game basis with some type of lottery, or just simply move those upper deck season ticket holders to the bottom with a season lottery and BDC point ranking. I don't know, but there is a way to solve this issue with the current season ticket holders we already have.
Anything is possible with enough money. It's certainly not easy, if it was it would have already been done.
MSU should strongly consider the Kansas method and tear down the entire west side to rebuild instead of modernizing it. If we get crazy, do it as one big project with the South end zone.
Would be an investment for sure but solves a lot of problems. We could have real premium options, chair back everything, make it nice.
I will say, the improvements to the lower west concourse and underbelly have been welcomed and very nice. The problem with the lower west side is it's age and how that relates to the seating. I always thought they could have divided each section in half and created new walkways to decrease the length of the rows (which again, are the longest in the SEC measured in google earth), especially with that area being full of mostly season ticketed alumni and fans, but they have done absolutely nothing over the years. It's the most uncomfortable area of the stadium to sit in.
It really needs to be demolished as you said, but that would be a major major undertaking that would require lots of time and funding. If there was a way to chairback the entire lower west side, that might be the best option.
It really needs to be demolished as you said, but that would be a major major undertaking that would require lots of time and funding. If there was a way to chairback the entire lower west side, that might be the best option.
Thank you for conceding that the faculty and staff comments were a bit much. Not many would do that.
You sort of answered my question, which was why does it matter to you if visiting fans are in the lower level. It embarrasses you.
If our fans can’t afford or won’t pay for lower level seats, you don’t reward them by moving them there and punishing those who pay full price. You stated pretty clearly that you don’t think faculty and staff should get a discount. Why should the upper deck fans get one instead? The university probably makes more money in the ticket office from the visiting team fans sitting in the lower level. It would at least be more financially viable than your idea to have the lottery (which is essentially discounted lower level seats for our fans) and then selling cheap nose bleed tickets to visitors in the ticket office (while pissing off full price season ticket holders). You lose the premium lower level price altogether in that scenario.
Just my two cents. I’m glad you want it to be a better experience. I just don’t know how you do it in a financially viable way and avoid angering current, full price season ticket holders. I guess you could purposefully lose some money if it’s that important not to have visiting fans sitting down low.
I’m agreeing with you on this. I’ve seen several comments in the past about decreasing the size of our stadium and seating. I don’t really understand that scenario, as being the smallest stadium would throw a big kink in getting players at State. Stadium size is a big deal, whether we like it or not.
Winning helps the attendance situation, but I believe we should also consider reducing capacity by 2-3k and provide spacious chair back seating. We weren’t selling out every game when Dan was clicking. Sure we had some sellout games, but IMO our capacity has always been just a taste too high. This isn’t just a State problem either, but it’s much more obvious for State with a losing season.
I wrote this before. Stop trying to just catch the whales. Put some bait out there for smaller fish too. You need to have "Season Tickets" in good spots for 2 or 3 games a year. Do the work that groups of friends might do for season tickets where they pool their money for the tickets and then they distribute those tickets amongst themselves. So be like yahoo with fantasy sports and create the ability for one person to join a league. Put aside some good seats for these pooled season tickets for those people who don't have a group of friends to pull it off. Obviously you can have tiers of these pools so a lower level middle of the field pool is more than a nose bleed pool. You can have 2 game, 3 game and 4 game pools for 2 or 4 seats buyins. Then have pool draft weekend where these pools get to "draft" the games they are going to like a fantasy draft. Make it much easier on the Bulldog fan that would come to 1 to 4 games a year. Making a full season commitment is very hard on most people.
Many years ago, The university had a deal where you gave a certain amount of money for tickets to 2-3 games. You picked the 2-3 games you want to attend and as games approached they sent you tickets with assigned seats. That is how I remember the process went.
I'm glad to read others see the west needs to be rebuilt. I realize that is a huge project. But it can be done, ie Kansas.
Also I think long term future revenue of additional premium seating on the west side, would pay for the construction cost.
Also I think long term future revenue of additional premium seating on the west side, would pay for the construction cost.
I have had tickets in both the upper and lower east side. The upper deck has a nicer concourse and bathrooms with A/C.
I think reducing seats is the right call. We could go undefeated next year and I still dont think we sell out of season tickets for 2027.