Epstein - Maxwell to Testify August 11th - Bill Clinton Subpoenaed - John Kerry Implicated

fatpiggy

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lol piggy attempts a predictably clumsy pivot once Maxwell's history of perjury is thrown in his ignorant face.

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You cant give any evidence that contradicts her statements. Yet we have secret service testimony that Bill Clinton was on the plane alone with underage girls.

They can't stand that the Russian Collusin hoax is coming back to haunt them. Caught red handed. And now they must distract.
 
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fatpiggy now accusing the Dems of diversionary tactics after the following...

arrest Obama
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Produce some evidence that contradicts her words.

If she said he was guilty you 100% would have believed her.
So for one thing, what I think is likely due to smoke, is completely different from what I think someone should be charged for.

I've been pretty consistent that I think Trump engaged in all the partying with underaged girls, as there is a lot of smoke (underage modeling show with only two guests, Trump/Epstein; comments about liking young women; "locker room talk"; going into Miss Teen USA changing rooms; birthday letters; best friends; etc), but I also think if there was anything to actual charge him with he would've already been charged. And the only way I would expect him to be charged from anything she says is with proof, because I don't believe a word out of her mouth without it. No matter what she says there were be reasonable doubt without corroborating evidence she points investigators to.

But it is going to be past the pale of believability if she gets moved to club fed or eventually pardoned and all she comes out with is things on Trump's enemies.
 
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So for one thing, what I think is likely due to smoke, is completely different from what I think someone should be charged for.

I've been pretty consistent that I think Trump engaged in all the partying with underaged girls, as there is a lot of smoke (underage modeling show with only two guests, Trump/Epstein; comments about liking young women; "locker room talk"; going into Miss Teen USA changing rooms; birthday letters; best friends; etc), but I also think if there was anything to actual charge him with he would've already been charged. And the only way I would expect him to be charged from anything she says is with proof, because I don't believe a word out of her mouth without it. No matter what she says there were be reasonable doubt without corroborating evidence she points investigators to.

But it is going to be past the pale of believability if she gets moved to club fed or eventually pardoned and all she comes out with is things on Trump's enemies.
Turns out Ghislaines testimony matched Giuffres.

“Smoke” is not going to get it done. That is not a legal standard.

what yall are trying to say is that you don’t like Donald Trump. And that’s ok. But he did nothing wrong and we multiple testimonies from multiple time periods as evidence.

Democrats should sit down when it comes to Epstein but it’s too late. All the Dems like Bill Clinton, Bill gates, Reid Hoffman, John Kerry and more will be implicated.

They will keep making stuff up to distract from getting busted on the fabricated Russian collusion scam that was actual treason.

They walked into Trumps trap.
 

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Turns out Ghislaines testimony matched Giuffres.

“Smoke” is not going to get it done. That is not a legal standard.

what yall are trying to say is that you don’t like Donald Trump. And that’s ok. But he did nothing wrong and we multiple testimonies from multiple time periods as evidence.

Democrats should sit down when it comes to Epstein but it’s too late. All the Dems like Bill Clinton, Bill gates, Reid Hoffman, John Kerry and more will be implicated.

They will keep making stuff up to distract from getting busted on the fabricated Russian collusion scam that was actual treason.

They walked into Trumps trap.
LOL

Yeah, i'm starting to think Trump may be involved.

The whole thing stinks.

Who did Ghislaine traffic those women to? Why is she in jail?




Trump is misreading his base on the Epstein situation.

He is about to lose his base.

First day his approval went down in over two weeks. No doubt due the way he handled the Epstein question yesterday.


Public pressure works. Doesn't hurt that Trumps approval rating took a big hit after his Epstein comments a couple days ago. People don't like a two tiered justice system. The elites need to face accountability.

 

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You cant give any evidence that contradicts her statements. Yet we have secret service testimony that Bill Clinton was on the plane alone with underage girls.

They can't stand that the Russian Collusin hoax is coming back to haunt them. Caught red handed. And now they must distract.
 

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Turns out Ghislaines testimony matched Giuffres.

“Smoke” is not going to get it done. That is not a legal standard.

what yall are trying to say is that you don’t like Donald Trump. And that’s ok. But he did nothing wrong and we multiple testimonies from multiple time periods as evidence.

Democrats should sit down when it comes to Epstein but it’s too late. All the Dems like Bill Clinton, Bill gates, Reid Hoffman, John Kerry and more will be implicated.

They will keep making stuff up to distract from getting busted on the fabricated Russian collusion scam that was actual treason.

They walked into Trumps trap.
Did you read what I wrote at all?
 

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Total ********. Bring your evidence, and not fabricated evidence like the Russian Collusion treason.

 
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The loony libtards are working both sides of the fence here. Hilarious if it wasn't sad. DESPERATION!!!
 

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Total ********. Bring your evidence, and not fabricated evidence like the Russian Collusion treason.


Remember how upset y ou were that they were blocking the release of these files. Look how they programmed you and washed your brain to the outcome they want. They really got your button dude. You are under total control.
 

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Remember how upset y ou were that they were blocking the release of these files. Look how they programmed you and washed your brain to the outcome they want. They really got your button dude. You are under total control.

I believe the files will come out and I believe that Trump will be exonerated and i believe Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, John Kerry and some others will have some major legal problems.

The files will come out. They have handled it poorly, that i will admit. That doesn't mean Trump has anything to hide. Giuffre and Ghislaine both said they have nothing on Trump. There is simply no evidence presented thus far that implicates Trump.

There is a mountain of evidence against Clinton including secret service testimony that he was int he back of the plane alone with underage girls.

And no one can answer Why did democrats protect Trump when they were in power. Shame on them!
 

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I believe the files will come out and I believe that Trump will be exonerated and i believe Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, John Kerry and some others will have some major legal problems.

The files will come out. They have handled it poorly, that i will admit. That doesn't mean Trump has anything to hide. Giuffre and Ghislaine both said they have nothing on Trump. There is simply no evidence presented thus far that implicates Trump.

There is a mountain of evidence against Clinton including secret service testimony that he was int he back of the plane alone with underage girls.

And no one can answer Why did democrats protect Trump when they were in power. Shame on them!
The FBI redacted Trump's name from the files.
Im cool with locking up anyone who did crimes. So please don't think you are going to get me to be upset about that.
I would, however, be upset if Maxwell is pardoned. Wouldn't you?
 
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The FBI redacted Trump's name from the files.
Im cool with locking up anyone who did crimes. So please don't think you are going to get me to be upset about that.
I would, however, be upset if Maxwell is pardoned. Wouldn't you?
I would be upset with a pardon. A commutation would depend on if her testimony matches, and can be supported by, the physical evidence AND it documented prosecutorial misconduct. That is, if they were hiding something and her testimony which can be corroborated with evidence, shows as much.

I find it very odd that Maureen Comey was a prosecutor on the case. I find it very odd that democrats would have held information back to protect Trump. I just don't believe that democrats sat on incriminating evidence against Trump while they were in power. And if they did, shame on them.
 

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What is not objective or factual about it? Please clarify.
You said that Trump's name is ALL OVER the Epstein files. What does that mean? your buddy tboonepickens says 100,000 times but he has nothing to back that up. And exactly what is an Epstein file anyway? We know that Trump attended social events with Epstein as did hundreds of other people. that doesn't make all of them pedophiles.

I don't know if there's a list of people who paid Epstein for sex with minors. It's possible that nobody paid Epstein for that. It's possible that nobody but Epstein had sex with minors but I think that's unlikely. It's also possible that some people had sex with Epstein's girls and he didn't "charge" them anything. Perhaps he was just using that as a way to encourage them to be clients of his consulting firm. I don't know and neither do you.

Two other inside sources said they were not aware of Trump having sex with young women. One was Gloria Alred who represented several victims. The other was Alan Dershowitz who was falsely accused and charges against him were dropped. Finally it seems very likely that if Biden's DOJ had evidence against Trump we would have heard about it before the election.
 
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You think this proves that Trump had sex with Epstein's underage girls. Of course that's not the case. Two administrations had access to this information and neither one has been willing to release details. My guess is that there is compromising information about some high profile people and it would be damaging to our national security or foreign relations to have that information released.
 

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I would be upset with a pardon. A commutation would depend on if her testimony matches, and can be supported by, the physical evidence AND it documented prosecutorial misconduct. That is, if they were hiding something and her testimony which can be corroborated with evidence, shows as much.

I find it very odd that Maureen Comey was a prosecutor on the case. I find it very odd that democrats would have held information back to protect Trump. I just don't believe that democrats sat on incriminating evidence against Trump while they were in power. And if they did, shame on them.
See I do not agree at all with commutation. Why would that be justice? You want her to serve a political purpose.... thats not JUSTICE for her victims. She deserves to ROT

My views on politicizing EPSTEIN and Maxwell: They were CIA and Mossad assets. They have dirt on everyone, Clintons, Trump the royal family, probably even some of the Kremlin and most definitely some very powerful elites. The CIA and Mossad have quietly shut down interests in these two every time their crimes came to light. They do not want to burn the black mail assets they have on powerful people.

They are running the show here on planet earth as long as USA is in power. Maxwell is a second generation spook, and she knows how to play game theory and she sees a way out of prison: LIE, make the president look good and the Trump admin makes this all go away. She gets to leave prison, Trump declares political victory and the CIA and Mossad gets to keep their blackmail assets. I give this a 90% likelihood of happening. She's already been transferred to a minimum security prison because she said Trump did nothing wrong in her testimony.

You keep looking at the Comeys', who are life long bureaucrats. I get your suspicion of them and their politics however, who exactly gave Epstein a sweetheart deal in Florida? Who prosecuted Epstein in Florida??? Who closed the Russia collusion case against Trump? I think those two facts make me very suspicious not of the Muellers but who is currently our federal AG.
 
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Some of our MAGA lunatics seems to be confused about the recent timeline, so just a little refresher from Bloomberg. Nothing suspicious here lol.

Epstein’s death led to a swirl of renewed interest among Trump supporters, which in recent months has verged into an obsession. Last year, while still on the campaign trail, Trump vowed to “declassify” material in the government’s possession pertaining to Epstein. Before Pam Bondi was nominated as attorney general by Trump, she insisted that the public had a right to know more details about the case. “If people in that report are still fighting to keep their names private,” she said on Fox News last year, “they have no legal basis to do so, unless they’re a child, a victim, or a cooperating defendant.” In January, Kash Patel, the FBI director, told a Senate Committee during his confirmation hearing that he’d ensure “the American public knows the full weight of what happened.”

Then on Feb. 27, during a highly publicized event at the White House, Bondi rolled out what the Justice Department referred to as the “first phase” of the release of the Epstein files. It was attended by former Pizzagate provocateur Jack Posobiec and other far-right influencers. They were given binders labeled “The Epstein Files” and “The Most Transparent Administration in History” that contained about 200 pages of documents that Bondi characterized as “declassified.” She also suggested that the records would contain previously undisclosed details about Epstein.

Instead, Bondi’s big Epstein files party was a bust. It turned out the documents she called declassified, which included pages from Epstein’s infamous “black book,” had been previously released, most recently during the criminal trial of Ghislaine Maxwell four years earlier. (The black book revealed Trump’s name and the names of his wife, Melania, and other family members.)

Trump’s followers were irate. Bondi was angry, too. She fired off a letter to FBI Director Patel demanding to know why the bureau failed to provide her with the thousands of pages of documents related to the Epstein investigation and indictment she requested. She wanted answers from Patel, and accountability.

Trump’s name blacked out

What happened next kicked off a new phase in the Epstein saga. As I reported in the March 28th edition of FOIA Files, Patel directed FBI special agents from the New York and Washington field offices to join the bureau’s FOIA employees at its sprawling Central Records Complex in Winchester, Virginia and another building a few miles away.

They were instructed to search for and review every single Epstein-related document and determine what could be released. That included a mountain of material accumulated by the FBI over nearly two decades, including grand jury testimony, prosecutors’ case files, as well as tens of thousands of pages of the bureau’s own investigative files on Epstein. It was a herculean task that involved as many as 1,000 FBI agents and other personnel pulling all-nighters while poring through more than 100,000 documents, according to a July letter from Senator Dick Durbin to Bondi.

Senior officials at the FBI’s Record/Information Dissemination Section, which handles the processing of FOIA requests, pushed back on the directives. Michael Seidel, the section chief of RIDS who worked at the FBI for about 14 years, was quite vocal, the three people familiar with the matter told me. Patel blamed him for the failure to send all of the Epstein files to Bondi. Then, a couple of months ago, Seidel was told he could either retire or be fired, according to the people. He chose the former and quietly left the FBI, the people said. The details related to Seidel’s exit haven’t been previously reported.

Seidel could not be reached for comment

In preparation for potential public release, the documents then went to a unit of FOIA officers who applied redactions in accordance with the nine exemptions. The people familiar with the matter said that Trump’s name, along with other high-profile individuals, was blacked out because he was a private citizen when the federal investigation of Epstein was launched in 2006.

A White House spokesperson would not respond to questions about the redactions of Trump’s name, instead referring questions to the FBI. The FBI declined to comment. The Justice Department did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

‘Gaslight’

That brings us up to today. After the FBI redacted the Epstein files, they were sent to Bondi. (Media reports said Bondi briefed Trump at the White House in May and told him he was named in the files.)

Then, on July 8, the Justice Department and FBI released an unsigned joint statement that said the FBI collected more than 300 gigabytes of data and physical evidence related to the Epstein investigation. However, the promises of “transparency” made earlier by Bondi and Patel didn’t materialize.

“While we have labored to provide the public with maximum information regarding Epstein,” the statement read, “it is the determination of the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation that no further disclosure would be appropriate or warranted.” The officials added that “much of the information is subject to court-ordered sealing.”

The statement ignited a firestorm on social media. Trump's most ardent supporters were furious with Bondi and the president. They said it was a cover-up. The influential podcaster Joe Rogan recently accused the administration of “trying to gaslight” his supporters over Epstein.

Trump, meanwhile, has tried to contain the fallout. He lashed out at his base in a series of posts on his social media platform, Truth Social, and blamed Democrats for the “fake” Epstein scandal.

Here’s the bottom line: The FBI's behind-the-scenes decision-making suggests that the chances of aliens resurrecting JFK are greater than Trump’s name ever being unredacted from the Epstein files.

Of course, Trump could agree to let his name out or sign a privacy waiver. Or, when he—and everybody else named in the files—eventually dies, most of their privacy rights will disappear.
 
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wow turns out the freakout about the blonde girl with big tits was just another mode of distraction...