ESL Hosting GBN

[crusader_of_90]

Massey has it at 28-21 for the home team.

Will GBN drive down Friday and get a walk through someplace or coming on Saturday AM? has GBN ever played in ESL?

 

[crusader_of_90]

Wayback-Wednesday - game film from 1985 Flyers. These were the guys I watched growing up.


This D was vicious!

 

[CCL65]

Massey has it at 28-21 for the home team.

has GBN ever played in ESL?

 

[CCL65]

They did play in the finals in 91. ESL 48-6. That was the game that Chris Moore did the Heisman pose. Don't know about the earlier rounds

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

I would really hope GBN driving down Friday with a 1pm start time. If they driving down Sat morning - they would have to leave like 5:30am.

 

[LHSTigers94]

I would really hope GBN driving down Friday with a 1pm start time. If they driving down Sat morning - they would have to leave like 5:30am.

It depend on their respect level for southern football. I find that most northern school assume that southern schools are just not good. They typically find out the hard way. You can tell that OPRF didn't game plan against E'ville at all. They carried themselves the entire game like "we can just run off 20+ points whenever we feel like it". Reality set in about 4 mins into the 4th quarter when the QB couldn't hit the side of a barn. I remember when BB didn't respect ESL back in 2002 and went home first round. I remember when LWE didn't respect O'fallon and went home early.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

It depend on their respect level for southern football. I find that most northern school assume that southern schools are just not good. They typically find out the hard way. You can tell that OPRF didn't game plan against E'ville at all. They carried themselves the entire game like "we can just run off 20+ points whenever we feel like it". Reality set in about 4 mins into the 4th quarter when the QB couldn't hit the side of a barn. I remember when BB didn't respect ESL back in 2002 and went home first round. I remember when LWE didn't respect O'fallon and went home early.

I cant speak to the previous perceived disrespects you mentioned (Bolingbrook - ESL etc etc). But I would be absolutely flabbergasted if any team regardless of bracket would take ESL lightly.

I think the coaches have to agree on the time of the game or it goes into mediation for a compromise? I would think that if GBN wanted to drive down Saturday morning - they would push for a 7pm kickoff Sat Nite.

 

[LHSTigers94]

I cant speak to the previous perceived disrespects you mentioned (Bolingbrook - ESL etc etc). But I would be absolutely flabbergasted if any team regardless of bracket would take ESL lightly.

I think the coaches have to agree on the time of the game or it goes into mediation for a compromise? I would think that if GBN wanted to drive down Saturday morning - they would push for a 7pm kickoff Sat Nite.

I would agree with that notion however I have seen teams set a 1pm start and drive down the same day. Definitely something I wouldn't do but some do it.

 

[MS4EVER]

Wayback-Wednesday - game film from 1985 Flyers. These were the guys I watched growing up.


This D was vicious!

Was Bryan Cox on this team?

 

[flyerforlife]

Was Bryan Cox on this team?

Yes # 48

 

[Anon1754760634]

It depend on their respect level for southern football. I find that most northern school assume that southern schools are just not good. They typically find out the hard way. You can tell that OPRF didn't game plan against E'ville at all. They carried themselves the entire game like "we can just run off 20+ points whenever we feel like it". Reality set in about 4 mins into the 4th quarter when the QB couldn't hit the side of a barn. I remember when BB didn't respect ESL back in 2002 and went home first round. I remember when LWE didn't respect O'fallon and went home early.

Accuracy has been Jeremy Hunt's issue all season. Also OPRF came down Thursday night. So much for that theory......you keep trying tho gotta admire that in someway

 

[redmen85]

Never let facts get in the way

 

[Cross Bones]

It depend on their respect level for southern football. I find that most northern school assume that southern schools are just not good. They typically find out the hard way. You can tell that OPRF didn't game plan against E'ville at all. They carried themselves the entire game like "we can just run off 20+ points whenever we feel like it". Reality set in about 4 mins into the 4th quarter when the QB couldn't hit the side of a barn. I remember when BB didn't respect ESL back in 2002 and went home first round. I remember when LWE didn't respect O'fallon and went home early.

With all due respect, that Raider team lost to Stagg and Romeoville plus barely beat Thornwood.

 

[Tez711]

I'm pretty sure GBN will be here Thursday night. High school football is a BIG DEAL nowadays. I just hope ESL is up for the task. I'm sure the big boys on defense are...I'm still skeptical about ESL secondary....man to man coverage scares me for this game. Also, we must find a way to get Jeff Thomas the ball in space...I highly doubt they man up on him. Jeff hasn't had off the chart stats but he is a huge decoy, so his presence is definitely felt. He requires 2 or 3 defensive players attention. I'm anticipating Jace James and Thomas covering each other both ways.

 

[crusader_of_90]

I cant speak to the previous perceived disrespects you mentioned (Bolingbrook - ESL etc etc). But I would be absolutely flabbergasted if any team regardless of bracket would take ESL lightly.

I think the coaches have to agree on the time of the game or it goes into mediation for a compromise? I would think that if GBN wanted to drive down Saturday morning - they would push for a 7pm kickoff Sat Nite.

Was Bryan Cox on this team?

Watch the play at the 36 minute mark.

Brian Cox.

 

[Tez711]

Anybody remember the ESL vs. GBW in Glen Elly back in 2008? 4thQ, minute left. 21-21 ESL had the ball in the red zone. 4th n goal....ESL did the statute of liberty play...Courtney Molten gets the hand off and the whole GBW team was tricked except 1 DB. Milton 1 on 1 with the DB, shakes him out of his cleats....Touchdown flyers...this was the semifinals...ESL wins state this year...I hope we can do it again...Go Flyers!

 

[crusader_of_90]

2008 was a monster team - during the finals, I remember an absolutely devastating decleating block by Appleton on a run by the freshman running back who ended up at Althoff.

 

[crusader_of_90]

I cant speak to the previous perceived disrespects you mentioned (Bolingbrook - ESL etc etc). But I would be absolutely flabbergasted if any team regardless of bracket would take ESL lightly.

I think the coaches have to agree on the time of the game or it goes into mediation for a compromise? I would think that if GBN wanted to drive down Saturday morning - they would push for a 7pm kickoff Sat Nite.

I'd want a Saturday night game if I was ESL. Every other local game will be done, warm ups in the daylight - the atmosphere - and game under the lights with thousands watching.

 

[SilverHelmets]

Anybody remember the ESL vs. GBW in Glen Elly back in 2008? 4thQ, minute left. 21-21 ESL had the ball in the red zone. 4th n goal....ESL did the statute of liberty play...Courtney Molten gets the hand off and the whole GBW team was tricked except 1 DB. Milton 1 on 1 with the DB, shakes him out of his cleats....Touchdown flyers...this was the semifinals...ESL wins state this year...I hope we can do it again...Go Flyers!

Terry Hawthorne dominated that game. Had a few amazing catches and that were the difference

 

[crusader_of_90]

Terry Hawthorne dominated that game. Had a few amazing catches and that were the difference

Terry Hawthorne was the star of that team - played every down.

 

[mchsalumni]

Anybody remember the ESL vs. GBW in Glen Elly back in 2008? 4thQ, minute left. 21-21 ESL had the ball in the red zone. 4th n goal....ESL did the statute of liberty play...Courtney Molten gets the hand off and the whole GBW team was tricked except 1 DB. Milton 1 on 1 with the DB, shakes him out of his cleats....Touchdown flyers...this was the semifinals...ESL wins state this year...I hope we can do it again...Go Flyers!

Quite possibly the best high school game I've seen. Battle.

 

[King MJ_rivals]

Was Bryan Cox on this team?

homer bush too I believe

 

[Tez711]

Terry Hawthorne was the star of that team - played every down.

I believe that's the year Molten rushed for 2,000 yards...Terry was indeed the star. I wish he could have made a career in the NFL. Drafted by the Steelers but halted with injuries....He is now a DB coach for ESL.

 

[SilverHelmets]

I believe that's the year Molten rushed for 2,000 yards...Terry was indeed the star. I wish he could have made a career in the NFL. Drafted by the Steelers but halted with injuries....He is now a DB coach for ESL.

Illinois should have used him on offense

 

[Tez711]

Illinois should have used him on offense

I totally agree...He was a playmaker

 

[crusader_of_90]

homer bush too I believe

Homer was 1991 - my class. When Jheri curl was in style!

 

[crusader_of_90]

Brian Cox on the 1985 team after a reunion this summer:

“How good was that football team? Well, let me put it this way. At the time, I was probably the 20th best player on that team," said Cox. “We just had some much talent. We used to joke that our second team was the second best team in the state. We had that much talent and depth. We were just so deep.”

After rolling through an undefeated regular season, East St. Louis outscored its five playoff opponents 194-19, defeating Chicago Brother Rice 46-0 in the state title contest.

“The 1985 team was the best. If I remember right, we gave up 85 points and scored like 650 all season,” legendary Coach Bob Shannon said. “Our first team hardly every played in the second half and when they did, it was only for a series or two early in the third quarter."

“We probably did some things back then that we wouldn’t be able to get away with now. In the morning, we would be out running before practice. We would time the kids in the mile then we would time them in the two mile. After that we would put the gear on and practice. We were very big on conditioning. Plus, we had a great coaching staff and the wonderful support from our student body.”

Read more here: http://www.bnd.com/sports/high-school/article89759527.html#storylink=cpy

 

[BretEpic]

Why would a HS team, in an era of recruiting and exposure, take a team as talented as ESL lightly? It's pretty well known that their roster boasts a glut of legit FBS/FCS athletes, including arguably the state's best. They have also played a challenging schedule, one which almost everyone here takes seriously, despite some self-imagined Northern bias against the South. Just wondering.

 

[LHSTigers94]

Why would a HS team, in an era of recruiting and exposure, take a team as talented as ESL lightly? It's pretty well known that their roster boasts a glut of legit FBS/FCS athletes, including arguably the state's best. They have also played a challenging schedule, one which almost everyone here takes seriously, despite some self-imagined Northern bias against the South. Just wondering.

I don't think anyone believe GN is taking ESL lightly or vice versa. The comments were in reference to driving down the morning of for a 1pm game. There are a lot of Northern teams that take southern teams lightly however, both these programs are very understanding of good football.

 

[crusader_of_90]

their roster boasts a glut of legit FBS/FCS athletes, including arguably the state's best.

I'd argue the TWO best players are from SWC.

From today's paper:
When East St. Louis linebacker James Knight picked off a pass and ran 60 yards downfield, it was Edwardsville's AJ Epenesa who chased him down from behind and forced a fumble that was recovered by the Flyers in the end zone.

On another play, the 6/5, 270-pound Epenesa picked an aggressive angle and hauled down Flyers All-American receiver Jeff Thomas on a screen pass. “I saw him catch it and as soon as I saw it, I immediately just started taking off at an angle that would help me make the play,” Epenesa explained. “He had a step on me I ended up making it up and ended up legitimately catching him from behind. I went for a strip as well, but I didn’t get it on that one.”

 

[BretEpic]

There are a lot of Northern teams that take southern teams lightly however, both these programs are very understanding of good football.

So you have a few examples of upsets of North versus South, there are likely just as many examples of higher ranked Southern schools showing up against Northern teams they are taking lightly and losing.

Also, how do you know all these teams lost because they took the opponent lightly?

 

[BretEpic]

I'd argue the TWO best players are from SWC.

From today's paper:
When East St. Louis linebacker James Knight picked off a pass and ran 60 yards downfield, it was Edwardsville's AJ Epenesa who chased him down from behind and forced a fumble that was recovered by the Flyers in the end zone.

On another play, the 6/5, 270-pound Epenesa picked an aggressive angle and hauled down Flyers All-American receiver Jeff Thomas on a screen pass. “I saw him catch it and as soon as I saw it, I immediately just started taking off at an angle that would help me make the play,” Epenesa explained. “He had a step on me I ended up making it up and ended up legitimately catching him from behind. I went for a strip as well, but I didn’t get it on that one.”

Nobody's arguing against that... talking about East Lou.

 

[crusader_of_90]

That's the thing - I'm not looking to argue, but talk football!

 

[Cross Bones]

I dont think driving up there the day of the game means anything positive or negative. Certainly doesnt mean they took ESL lightly. Some schools just dont get the benefit of ever being taken lightly, even when it may be warranted. Watch what i mean next season when I make my case that we'll be expected to go 3-6.

I don't think East Side was taking Montini lightly despite the results. Theres always a winner and a loser. This should be a good one along with a handful of other games im looking to.

 

[LHSTigers94]

So you have a few examples of upsets of North versus South, there are likely just as many examples of higher ranked Southern schools showing up against Northern teams they are taking lightly and losing.

Also, how do you know all these teams lost because they took the opponent lightly?

Great question.

When looking at teams you tend to notice tendencies and look at scouting reports. I can be wrong or jumping to conclusions but when I see at team play a game different from what I saw prior to the matchup, I wonder or think a team may have taken a team lightly. You can also see the play on the field and draw a simple conclusion. There is a huge difference between upsets and taking a team lightly.

To speak specifically about my examples. BB came down in 2002 to ESL and tried to take over the HOME locker room at the stadium. When asked to leave the players were saying ESL should move because this is our stadium. Now one can say this isn't taking a team lightly however my opinion is if you are bold enough to try to take the home team locker room, there is a lack of respect.
At the OPRF vs E'ville game I happen to know there was a lack of respect based on actions I don't want to speak of. During the game every rushing play was a minimal of 5 yards however time was spent trying to expose the height advantage at WR. Now I could just be critical and wrong but, to me on 3rd and short most would run the ball (minimal of 5 to 6 yards a carry) and keep the chains moving versus try jump balls. Now this is my opinion and I apologize if it offend someone. I just have respect for teams up North both coaching and playing so when I see the obvious and a team refuse to execute the obvious, I am assuming they are taking a team lightly.

I could into my LWE comment but I think you guys get my point. I don't think every or most teams take it lightly however there are some examples. I have no issue with a team driving down the day of or the day before. I don't think any team can get on the bus at 5 am and play at 1 and be 100% effective.

 

[LHSTigers94]

I dont think driving up there the day of the game means anything positive or negative. Certainly doesnt mean they took ESL lightly. Some schools just dont get the benefit of ever being taken lightly, even when it may be warranted. Watch what i mean next season when I make my case that we'll be expected to go 3-6.

I don't think East Side was taking Montini lightly despite the results. Theres always a winner and a loser. This should be a good one along with a handful of other games im looking to.

The result are not what dictate taking a team lightly.

 

[Cross Bones]

The result are not what dictate taking a team lightly.

I read your previous post. I cant confirm nor deny such statements obviously you are close to the situation. I dont think being arrogant or cocky means anything other than them being arrogant or cocky. I certainly know why I didnt make that trip from Normal in 2002... They just lost to Romeoville.

I think you may be looking too much into that.

 

[LHSTigers94]

I read your previous post. I cant confirm nor deny such statements obviously you are close to the situation. I dont think being arrogant or cocky means anything other than them being arrogant or cocky. I certainly know why I didnt make that trip from Normal in 2002... They just lost to Romeoville.

I think you may be looking too much into that.

Could be. That was my interpretation of it.

 

[Cross Bones]

Then when BVE came up in 2010 it looked like someone pressed fast fwd on them and slo mo on us. The speed down there is just different. Thats why i loved that ESL/Simeon game last season, the speed of it...

 

[LHSTigers94]

Then when BVE came up in 2010 it looked like someone pressed fast fwd on them and slo mo on us. The speed down there is just different. Thats why i loved that ESL/Simeon game last season, the speed of it...

Same with BE vs WV a few years later in the playoffs. Notice I didn't mention those games along with several others. Again its not about winning and losing however other things led to my comments. Just an opinion.