EVs are bad … or good

[o_Hot Rock]

Hopefully you are consistent and against money being funneled to any industry based on lies or misinformation.

especially the Oil subsidies. Those guys get all the money... Everyone does know that right? If you subsidize oil, why not subsidize altrenative methods to find a better way or at least a way that could help. Seems short sighted to me not to fund things that can improve our lives and cheaper cleaner energy is certainly one possible way. If it doesn't work, then OK but dang if you don't want us to try.

 

[o_Hot Rock]

I'm neither pro or con. Drive whatever you want. I just don't want mandates to go to just one form or the other. Let the free market decide.

My only other comment is for people buying them for no other reason than they're "saving" the environment. You're not saving jack. You're just transferring the pollution from here to another country where the lithium mines are. And even if lithium mining did no harm to the environment, there's still a huge portion of the EV that wouldn't exist if oil was banned. To quote Tommy in Landman - oil is in every damn thing. And even if we went all electric tomorrow the US doesn't have the infrastructure to handle the demand.

1) Who is banning OIL? Oil ain't going anywhere, anytime soon. It would be great if we could do away with the Oil subsidies though. The little bit of monies given to the EV industry to get them jump started pales to the amount we give in oil subsidies.

2) Whoever told you that EVs weren't better for the environment, you need to stop listening to them. They are either misleading you on purpose or ignorant to the truth. EV's are better for the environment. and that is not up for debate. Does it vary? Yes and its mostly due to the source of electricity.

3) In Mississippi the majority of our energy comes from propane which is a much cleaner burning fuel than gasoline and a more efficient delivery system through electrical lines than a gas truck and pump station. That's common sense stuff.

Your "Not SAVING JACK" statement means you are an ignorant man and listen to either ignorant men or someone lying to you and you believe them.

 

[o_Hot Rock]

I don’t think they’re “bad” but I definitely think they’re unsustainable. There’s not enough lithium and cobalt in the world to provide what just the US needs. We will exhaust a rare earth mineral resource on a failed idea. Plus all the wasted time and money in implementing charging stations is a total bust. They’re fine if that’s what you prefer but it is not a long term solution.

People been saying for years that we were running out of Oil. That ain't happened and it won't for a very very very long time but in the meantime lets burn some cleaner stuff if we can. As far as the Lithium and Cobalt

There are other things being tested for batteries. China & Japan are testing Nickel based batteries and claiming all kinds of outlandish things which probably aren't true but ...

The US is getting further behind but sometimes it's ok to back up and punt. Think out the solution and attack a different way. Maybe Hybrids are the way right now instead of full blown straight EVs. Consumers will drive it.

I am with the hydrogen guy, we figure that out and everything else goes away but somehow I don't think I will see it in my my lifetime. In the meantime, we got plenty of Lithium and Cobalt to last a lot longer than you think.

 

[o_Hot Rock]

Hybrids are my least favorite choice simply because they are so complex. Too many things to break in my opinion. EVs are perfect for 90% of my use but aren’t practical for me for a full time vehicle. The internal combustion engine is still the most practical option for my use and works 100% of the time for me. An EV would work for us as a third vehicle but if I’m buying a third vehicle I’d rather have something fun like a convertible rather than something practical.

They get to 500 mile range? Would that be enough? or you need more?

 

[o_Hot Rock]

That makes them Hybrids

Even though I own two Teslas, I didn’t necessarily buy them because they are EVs. I bought them mainly because I wanted the self-driving / autopilot feature and for the performance. If they had been ICE vehicles with those same two features I would have still probably bought them as ICE vehicles.

Now, having used them for several years, I really enjoy the convenience (and savings) of “filling them up” at home instead of regular visits to the gas station and the fact that there is virtually “no” maintenance required compared to ICE vehicles. I do still own an ICE Ford F-150 for the occasional job the Teslas are not suited for.

Some have mentioned that they are good as local commuter vehicles but that they don’t think they’re practical for trips. Tesla is a little different. Musk realized that early on and that’s why the Tesla supercharging network is vast, reliable, and plentiful. I live in East-Central Mississippi and regularly make trips to visit family in Virginia, Indiana, Alabama, and Tennessee as well as to the Gulf Coast when I get a hankering for some seafood.

Also, the Self-Driving feature is really very nice for trips like that and navigates in towns as well as on the highway. it takes me all the way to my destination and even parks itself. I don’t touch the steering wheel much. The car keeps up with how much of your overall miles are done on autopilot and mine is at 96%.

That was me.. I just purchased a Tesla adapter today.

 

[Pilgrimdawg]

To each his own. If you spend all of your time traveling reasonably close to home it might be a good option. If ( like us ) you decide to occasionally jump in the truck and head out for rural Wyoming (1800 miles) it’s a terrible option.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

1) Who is banning OIL? Oil ain't going anywhere, anytime soon. It would be great if we could do away with the Oil subsidies though. The little bit of monies given to the EV industry to get them jump started pales to the amount we give in oil subsidies.

2) Whoever told you that EVs weren't better for the environment, you need to stop listening to them. They are either misleading you on purpose or ignorant to the truth. EV's are better for the environment. and that is not up for debate. Does it vary? Yes and its mostly due to the source of electricity.

3) In Mississippi the majority of our energy comes from propane which is a much cleaner burning fuel than gasoline and a more efficient delivery system through electrical lines than a gas truck and pump station. That's common sense stuff.

Your "Not SAVING JACK" statement means you are an ignorant man and listen to either ignorant men or someone lying to you and you believe them.

Everything is up for debate. Everyone is listening to someone and I haven't heard anyone who has been proven correct of their claims yet. Not any of the climate caused disasters that have been predicted for 40 years have happened. We still got ice at the poles and it seems to be expanding. New York isn't under water. Atolls in the oceans still not underwater. Millionaires keep buying beachfront property. Iguanas are falling out of trees all over South Florida. Eagles are getting obliterated by windmills.

You have got to be correct at some point for me to believe you. You can't just yell louder and make definitive statements.

 

[RBcoach]

I drove a Hyundai Sonata Hybrid. It was a great car, great on gas everything no problems. I am still undecided because if there was a problem I knew it would be crazy expensive to fix.