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sleepy dawg

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Okay, this is officially ******** now. New rule will now take away a touchdown for celebrating before the TD is even scored, as if there was a holding call before the TD. Wherever they celebrated, 15 yards back from that point.

A player should be able to celebrate however they want while the ball is still in play. The 17ing rules in football are getting way out of control... College Football, meet NASCAR.

http://www.cbssports.com/...-learn-its-pointless/rss
 
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sleepy dawg

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Okay, this is officially ******** now. New rule will now take away a touchdown for celebrating before the TD is even scored, as if there was a holding call before the TD. Wherever they celebrated, 15 yards back from that point.

A player should be able to celebrate however they want while the ball is still in play. The 17ing rules in football are getting way out of control... College Football, meet NASCAR.

http://www.cbssports.com/...-learn-its-pointless/rss
 
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HammerOfTheDogs

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...Score the TD, hand the ball to the ref, then run to the sidelines where you can do your touchdown dance.
 
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jbulldog

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an overzealous official can now more easily than ever screw over a team. This rule is ridiculous.</p>
 
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SnakePlissken

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Why is it so damn hard to dance on the sideline after a TD instead of before on the 5, 10, 15 yd line before you get into the EZ?
 
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sleepy dawg

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I agree that players should "adapt and adjust"... However, we are not talking about an issue with safety. This is a total judgment call that can easily affect the outcome of the game. Is this a serious enough offense to warrant no touchdown and 15 yard penalty?

My terrible examples:
Some guys dive into the endzone to score a TD because it was a legitimate situation to dive in for the score. Others might do it to celebrate.
One guy takes his time getting to the end zone to run more time off the clock. Another does it to show he just beat everyone down the field by 20 yards.
What if a guy is running towards the end zone, starts to trip, but
instead of falling, his only way to get in the end zone is a last second
dive? And all of this happens while no one else is around.
Something like this could easily be misinterpreted, and now a ref has to make a decision on which one it was.

Now a game can be changed because the ref misinterpreted what he saw over a celebration on the field of play. You can bet there will be a screw-up with this call that changes the result of a big game the first year this rule is in effect.
 
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If they are on the take they will do something that not as obvious to change the game. You can call holding on almost any play. I don't have a problem with the rule. They should just learn to live with it. By the way, I watched a lot of college football this year and I only saw that call once and it was in a Ole Miss Game. That call was a good call. No one even close and if he thought that they were he would have dived for the Pilon. If one is diving for the end zone he is usually going over the top of the line or diving for the pilon. Just get your *** out of the End zone and back to the side line then celebrate.
 
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KurtRambis4

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If you can't understand the statement then you're just not very intelligent, and I'm not wasting my time explaining it.
 
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Rebels7

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I don't see how a debatable rule on a showboating call compares to the modernization of the game of football. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
 
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Repeat Offender

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as much as others apparently. They already affect games more than they should, but this penalty justgoes over the top. It is a complete judgement call and the Bamas and the Gators of the SEC always get the benefit of the doubtwhen they are playing the less prestigous schools. 15 yards after the play is plenty, I have seen it cost teams a chance to win the game when it should not have come into play. See Kansas State this year in their bowl game, one salute and they are attempting to tie the game by going for 2 with about aminute to gofrom their own 18 yardline. ********. Also,if anyone can possibly get screwed from this, it will be MSU. </p>
 
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ckDOG

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Half the distance to the goal - 1st and 20 from your own 10 or worse? The article says this applies to all players and the penalty is counts from the spot of the foul. Quarterbacks celebrate just as much, if not more than the players they get the ball to - before the score happens a lot of the times as well.

This rule is bull ****. I'd rather they penalize defenders celebrating every damn routine tackle they make instead of the players actually doing something worth celebrating. TDs are occasions for celebrations - the only thing I care about is that they remain reasonably brief, are made with your team members, and aren't directed at an opponent or the bench. High-stepping your way to the endzone never hurt anyone either.

ETA: The other issue here, regardless of what your definition of excessive celebration, is why is calling back the TD necessary? It's not like there are multiple unsportsmanlike conduct penalties called for this is every game. 15 yards is plenty to get a coach/player's attention. The problem is the refs don't ever try to enforce the rules they can now - so what makes anyone think they are going to enforce them more often with an even stiffer penalty attached. Just encourage the refs to throw the flag and bust them on a 15 yarder more often and whatever point that needed to get made will get made. This will just end up with a controversy and potentially could screw somebody's season up.
 
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anon1751035439

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Seems it should be a dead ball foul. Once the referee signals a touchdown the ball is dead. Any subsequent penalty on the offense should be marked off either before the extra point or kickoff. They are messing with the basic concept of a dead ball foul.
 
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RebelBruiser

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The people in charge are old crochety white guys who don't like seeing young black players express emotion, and yes I think there is an element of race involved here. The guys in charge of making the rules liked the way the game was played back before integration. They don't want segregated play, but they want the athletes of other races to play "their" way.

I hate celebration penalties.

Do I think players shouldn't call extra attention to themselves over teammates? Sure, but that's not up to the officials. That's up to the coaches. If they want to run their program in an old-fashioned way and it helps them win, that's their choice. If they want to let players show out, they can do that too. If other teams don't like it, then you have the option of beating the team that's showboating, sticking them in the mouth on the next play, or whatever else.

I'm fine with taunting being a penalty, because taunting another player can lead to fights and disruption of the game. Celebrations do not affect game play, and therefore they should not be a penalty.
 
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patdog

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This is only for cases where the player starts showboating before he crosses the goal line, in which case it's not a dead ball penalty.
 
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paindonthurt_

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Its completely foolish for a player to dive into an endzone for no reason when scoring a touchdown. Besides injury, it looks stupid and classless.

I can remember when JJ Johnson dropped the ball going into the endzone on a long run (against Florida I believe) and it looked dumb. They didn't call it a fumble but it was. If MSU gets called for it, I still want have a problem with it.

There is a huge difference in showing emotion and showboating.
 
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VegasDawg13

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Just because a majority doesn't like something doesn't mean it should be made illegal.<div>
</div><div>I, and I think most, hate the Jets for running their damn mouths so much, but that doesn't mean I think there should be a rule put in place to make trash talking illegal.</div>
 
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RebelBruiser

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I don't like the color maroon personally, but I don't think it should be against the rules to wear it.

Again, if it's risky for a guy to dive into the endzone, then it's up to his coach to make a rule against it on his particular team.

If a coach or team is fine with doing backflips on the way to the endzone, that's fine. It doesn't give them an unfair advantage, and it doesn't create a potential safety issue for the opponent, so again, why should it be against the rules?

If a player is showboating and drops the ball early, that's up to his coach to police, not the officials. The official's job should be to make the calls that affect the game, period.

There should be no celebration rule. It's a joke that there is one in the first place. Since it's there, I want my players to understand it and follow it, but if I was running the show, we'd drop the rule and leave it up to the coaches and opposing teams to stop it if they don't like it.
 
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Hidog78

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When one of them uses the goal post as a stripper pole you'll be OK with it. Score the touchdown, hand the ref the ball and get off the field, it's not about the individual.
 
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paindonthurt_

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If there wasn't a celebration rule then you'd have the most ludicrous **** going on all the time. It looked like the choreographed dance from Varsity Blues.
 
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paindonthurt_

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It's not exactly a cut and dry rule, but as I said below, when is enough enough?

There is a rule against trash talking. Its called UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT and it does get called occasionally.

I actually like the way the jets play football. Its the way I believe it was intended. Hard nosed and cocky, but No, i do not like some of the trash talking.
 
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VegasDawg13

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As for when enough is enough, my answer is when it affects the game. If players want to showboat, that's their decision. I can dislike it. It can make me root against them. However, my personalpreferencesshouldn't be legislated into football.
 
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