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<blockquote data-quote="Samuel S" data-source="post: 129458519" data-attributes="member: 1754664"><p>If you add teams that usually finish below only 5 of the current 10, you are, by definition, making the league weaker on the field. If they usually finish below 7-8 of the teams you are making the league a good bit weaker. There are no teams anyone would consider even a close to even money bet to make it a better football league on the field.</p><p></p><p>If we must expand, the consideration has to be which teams bring the most to the table "off the field" while doing the least damage to the on the field quality.</p><p></p><p> Yeah, there are MANY teams that could do better than Kansas consistently and maybe a few that could do better than ISU consistently, but they would still make the league weaker on the field.</p><p></p><p> I look at it in reverse. I think UConn and Memphis would be perpetual doormats capable of only competing with ISU to finish more than 1 spot above Kansas on a regular basis. A lot of people live in the NE but very very few of them give a damn about UConn football. Memphis had its best year in eons and averaged in the low 40s attendance and that includes a 60K crowd against Ole Miss that is sort of like when we play Pitt and fill half the seats; historically Memphis has been a very weak program.</p><p></p><p> Adding UCF right now would do harm to the league's reputation. Either it would suck at a Kansas level or if it did better it would diminish the rep of any other team it beat. Over time UCF might rise to the 4th school in Florida. It isn't right now. It went 0-12, for God's sake. USF destroyed them in Orlando and even FIU of CUSA beat them in Orlando (Marshall trounced FIU 45-13). It didn't play Florida Atlantic which also sucks so maybe it's currently 6th in Florida. Its attendance averages in the 20s. The 4th school in Texas doesn't suck so maybe UCF might eventually be able to compete for the middle of the pack and occasionally a little better if it gets a great coach, but in the short term it would be a PR disaster and it brings almost nothing to the table. A large student body of commuters and alums who mostly have other teams as their favorites and a tiny footprint in a mid-sized market doesn't amount to much. Finally, since we complain that we can't recruit Texas on a par with the likes of Baylor, TCU and TTU why would we want to add a school that we would compete with in FLA for recruits?</p><p></p><p>Cincinnati has shown the ability to get, if not keep, good coaches and being second fiddle in Ohio still leaves you with at least a potential base larger than some of the current Big 12 teams.</p><p></p><p>BYU is the best football program not in the Power 5. Is it willing to accept that the Big 12 is more important to it than it is to the league and make the necessary concessions to join? If it is and we must expand, it would be better mostly by default because the pickings are so slim.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Samuel S, post: 129458519, member: 1754664"] If you add teams that usually finish below only 5 of the current 10, you are, by definition, making the league weaker on the field. If they usually finish below 7-8 of the teams you are making the league a good bit weaker. There are no teams anyone would consider even a close to even money bet to make it a better football league on the field. If we must expand, the consideration has to be which teams bring the most to the table "off the field" while doing the least damage to the on the field quality. Yeah, there are MANY teams that could do better than Kansas consistently and maybe a few that could do better than ISU consistently, but they would still make the league weaker on the field. I look at it in reverse. I think UConn and Memphis would be perpetual doormats capable of only competing with ISU to finish more than 1 spot above Kansas on a regular basis. A lot of people live in the NE but very very few of them give a damn about UConn football. Memphis had its best year in eons and averaged in the low 40s attendance and that includes a 60K crowd against Ole Miss that is sort of like when we play Pitt and fill half the seats; historically Memphis has been a very weak program. Adding UCF right now would do harm to the league's reputation. Either it would suck at a Kansas level or if it did better it would diminish the rep of any other team it beat. Over time UCF might rise to the 4th school in Florida. It isn't right now. It went 0-12, for God's sake. USF destroyed them in Orlando and even FIU of CUSA beat them in Orlando (Marshall trounced FIU 45-13). It didn't play Florida Atlantic which also sucks so maybe it's currently 6th in Florida. Its attendance averages in the 20s. The 4th school in Texas doesn't suck so maybe UCF might eventually be able to compete for the middle of the pack and occasionally a little better if it gets a great coach, but in the short term it would be a PR disaster and it brings almost nothing to the table. A large student body of commuters and alums who mostly have other teams as their favorites and a tiny footprint in a mid-sized market doesn't amount to much. Finally, since we complain that we can't recruit Texas on a par with the likes of Baylor, TCU and TTU why would we want to add a school that we would compete with in FLA for recruits? Cincinnati has shown the ability to get, if not keep, good coaches and being second fiddle in Ohio still leaves you with at least a potential base larger than some of the current Big 12 teams. BYU is the best football program not in the Power 5. Is it willing to accept that the Big 12 is more important to it than it is to the league and make the necessary concessions to join? If it is and we must expand, it would be better mostly by default because the pickings are so slim. [/QUOTE]
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