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<blockquote data-quote="Buckaineer" data-source="post: 129504277" data-attributes="member: 1428007"><p>The problem with your erred math is you are taking an actual claimed number for the Big Ten--a number derived from an unknown amount of revenue for their product, and then claiming because it doesn't equal what I showed with exact figures for a potential BIG 12 network, then my numbers are incorrect.</p><p></p><p>First, anyone can add up the numbers I used and see that, yes, in fact the numbers are correct. No mathematical errors there. If the numbers of subscribers and the money in and out of territory were met, then BIG 12 schools-if given equal shares to them and the conference-would reap revenues of $8-$9 million apiece.</p><p></p><p>Second, back to your erred analysis. Without checking the actual numbers (the article posted isn't giving the whole story) You don't know the ACTUAL amounts that Big Ten schools were receiving in 2013 (or any year). You don't know if they were getting $1.00 per subscriber in 2013 in Big Ten territory, or if they were getting $.20 per subscriber out of territory. Obviously they were not. </p><p></p><p>Just looking at the article linked in the one you reference above, they state these very unclear things about BTN revenues at that time:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/illini/big-ten-payouts-to-hit-million/article_4eef1c1a-5a79-5b79-899b-3dbf2a99c871.html"><em>Last year Illinois received $24.6 million, including $6.6 million from the BTN. This afternoon, the university corrected an earlier report of $8.1 million from the BTN, noting the difference of $1.5 million came from Fox.</em></a></p><p><a href="http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/illini/big-ten-payouts-to-hit-million/article_4eef1c1a-5a79-5b79-899b-3dbf2a99c871.html"></a></p><p><em><a href="http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/illini/big-ten-payouts-to-hit-million/article_4eef1c1a-5a79-5b79-899b-3dbf2a99c871.html">The university says the amount from the BTN this year -- previously released as $7.6 million -- is unclear. However, based on recent years the total take for each school from the network over six years is approximately $40 million.</a></em></p><p></p><p>They even state the BTN revenues are unclear to them. What do they mean the revenue was $6.6 million from the BTN, but it was corrected because $1.5 million came from FOX? Were the revenues in 2013 $8.1 million, $6.6 million, or the $7.6 million you are claiming they got?</p><p></p><p>You are referencing an unknown, and then using my hypothetical numbers to compare to unclear revenue earned by a conference whose rates you have no idea of and exact actual distribution you have no idea of.</p><p>The article claims that schools in the Big Ten were earning a certain amount from the conference or the BTN, but this article from that time period directly addressing Nebraska's revenues suggests otherwise:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.cornnation.com/2014/2/9/5395682/nebraska-not-reaping-financial-windfall-from-big-ten-move-yet"><em>With the Big XII's new television deal, Big XII schools averaged $22 million per school in 2012-13. Big Ten schools earned $25.7 million per school, as the Big Ten's television contract still has another three years to run.</em></a></p><p><a href="http://www.cornnation.com/2014/2/9/5395682/nebraska-not-reaping-financial-windfall-from-big-ten-move-yet"></a></p><p><a href="http://www.cornnation.com/2014/2/9/5395682/nebraska-not-reaping-financial-windfall-from-big-ten-move-yet"></a></p><p><a href="http://www.cornnation.com/2014/2/9/5395682/nebraska-not-reaping-financial-windfall-from-big-ten-move-yet"><em>In comparison, Nebraska earned $15 million in 2012-13.</em></a></p><p><a href="http://www.cornnation.com/2014/2/9/5395682/nebraska-not-reaping-financial-windfall-from-big-ten-move-yet"></a></p><p><a href="http://www.cornnation.com/2014/2/9/5395682/nebraska-not-reaping-financial-windfall-from-big-ten-move-yet"><em> That number comes with an asterisk, though. Nebraska agreed to accept less money per season for the first six years in the Big Ten, as Nebraska's equity investment in the Big Ten Network. Unlike the new ESPN/SEC Network and the Longhorn Network, the other 11 schools own 50% of BTN. And starting in 2017, Nebraska will own a portion of BTN as well.</em></a></p><p></p><p>So its clear Nebraska didn't get the same amount as others, and they didn't have equity in the BTN, and the others gave Nebraska some of their BTN money. </p><p></p><p>Finally, its not known how much money was distributed to the Big Ten schools as opposed to the conference office. I used an equal share in my model, but the Big Ten actually has a network and actually distributed real money--in what denomination to whom, we don't know.<em> </em>Its also not know what expenses were taken out before distributions, or how much those actual expenses were.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Buckaineer, post: 129504277, member: 1428007"] The problem with your erred math is you are taking an actual claimed number for the Big Ten--a number derived from an unknown amount of revenue for their product, and then claiming because it doesn't equal what I showed with exact figures for a potential BIG 12 network, then my numbers are incorrect. First, anyone can add up the numbers I used and see that, yes, in fact the numbers are correct. No mathematical errors there. If the numbers of subscribers and the money in and out of territory were met, then BIG 12 schools-if given equal shares to them and the conference-would reap revenues of $8-$9 million apiece. Second, back to your erred analysis. Without checking the actual numbers (the article posted isn't giving the whole story) You don't know the ACTUAL amounts that Big Ten schools were receiving in 2013 (or any year). You don't know if they were getting $1.00 per subscriber in 2013 in Big Ten territory, or if they were getting $.20 per subscriber out of territory. Obviously they were not. Just looking at the article linked in the one you reference above, they state these very unclear things about BTN revenues at that time: [URL='http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/illini/big-ten-payouts-to-hit-million/article_4eef1c1a-5a79-5b79-899b-3dbf2a99c871.html'][I]Last year Illinois received $24.6 million, including $6.6 million from the BTN. This afternoon, the university corrected an earlier report of $8.1 million from the BTN, noting the difference of $1.5 million came from Fox.[/I] [I][/I][/URL] [I][URL='http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/illini/big-ten-payouts-to-hit-million/article_4eef1c1a-5a79-5b79-899b-3dbf2a99c871.html']The university says the amount from the BTN this year -- previously released as $7.6 million -- is unclear. However, based on recent years the total take for each school from the network over six years is approximately $40 million.[/URL][/I] They even state the BTN revenues are unclear to them. What do they mean the revenue was $6.6 million from the BTN, but it was corrected because $1.5 million came from FOX? Were the revenues in 2013 $8.1 million, $6.6 million, or the $7.6 million you are claiming they got? You are referencing an unknown, and then using my hypothetical numbers to compare to unclear revenue earned by a conference whose rates you have no idea of and exact actual distribution you have no idea of. The article claims that schools in the Big Ten were earning a certain amount from the conference or the BTN, but this article from that time period directly addressing Nebraska's revenues suggests otherwise: [URL='http://www.cornnation.com/2014/2/9/5395682/nebraska-not-reaping-financial-windfall-from-big-ten-move-yet'][I]With the Big XII's new television deal, Big XII schools averaged $22 million per school in 2012-13. Big Ten schools earned $25.7 million per school, as the Big Ten's television contract still has another three years to run.[/I] [I][/I] [I] [/I] [I]In comparison, Nebraska earned $15 million in 2012-13.[/I] [I][/I] [I] That number comes with an asterisk, though. Nebraska agreed to accept less money per season for the first six years in the Big Ten, as Nebraska's equity investment in the Big Ten Network. Unlike the new ESPN/SEC Network and the Longhorn Network, the other 11 schools own 50% of BTN. And starting in 2017, Nebraska will own a portion of BTN as well.[/I][/URL] So its clear Nebraska didn't get the same amount as others, and they didn't have equity in the BTN, and the others gave Nebraska some of their BTN money. [I][/I] Finally, its not known how much money was distributed to the Big Ten schools as opposed to the conference office. I used an equal share in my model, but the Big Ten actually has a network and actually distributed real money--in what denomination to whom, we don't know.[I] [/I]Its also not know what expenses were taken out before distributions, or how much those actual expenses were.[I][/I] [/QUOTE]
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