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No OM 1, many are better off. But anyone depending on Social Security to provide what they'll need in retirement will be sadly disappointed.
Obamacare required people to buy insurance or pay the fine. I don't think the government should require people to buy insurance or fine them if they don't. If someone doesn't have insurance but runs up a bill, let the hospitals collect on them.
Government mandates and/or controls on either Health care providers, Insurers, or consumers do nothing but drive up costs of care for all involved. The solution to the health care crisis is making quality care affordable and available to anyone who chooses to pay for it and can do so on their own.
Keeping Government in the middle of that equation only assures more cost shifting and thus more artificially added expenses to health care service delivery which has nothing to do with actually meeting customer demands at prices they are both willing and able to pay.
The only solution is to allow more Free market competition among health care service providers, insurers and allow health care consumers to make those choices for themselves free of Government restrictions, subsidies, or mandates on their choices.
Many flood protection projects have paid for themselves many times over. These were great investments.
The flood protection system in NOLA did exactly what it was planned, designed and built to do. It wasn't a screw up. Many people, feds, state and locals had input to the level of protection it would be built to.
You are one stupid dude. I really don't understand why you attempt to argue about things that you have no f'ucking clue about.
Were you born with mental defect or did you sustain some type of injury? Serious question. Have you had a stroke? Did you do acid in your younger days?
Nope and nope ex-pat.
(scroll down in the article to read about the failures and shortcomings of both the G.I. Bill and Morrill Act).
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...n_federal_government_programs_in_history.html
Let me answer your question this way countryroads89. You constantly refer to me as "stupid" which you are certainly free to do however I'd simply ask if you're so qualified to make that assessment of my intellect based solely on your interactions with me on this board how really stupid is that?
If it's THAT easy for you to notice this obvious mental deficiency in me, then why has it taken you so long to qualify exactly when this became obvious to you and adjust to it? I would assume based on your superior intellect, that you would have noticed my mental incapacity much sooner and not wasted all of your time responding to the obvious vapidity of my posts?
So I'd suggest that rather than constantly referring to me as "stupid" in attempts to refute my posts, it's more likely your are indeed the human experiment gone awry in terms of ability to notice any difference.
Here's a factual history for you on Government screw ups in the Katrina disaster
http://www.newsweek.com/government-response-katrina-disaster-within-disaster-118257
https://www.cato.org/blog/hurricane-katrina-remembering-federal-failures
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/13/katrina.congress/index.html?iref=newssearch
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...an-made-disaster-caused-by-government-failure
http://www.infotoday.com/searcher/jun06/Piper_Ramos.shtml
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Dave what leverage do the hospitals and doctors have? Right now anyone can get a mortgage or car loan with medical debt charge-offs staining their credit. And if some yahoo had a $100,000 medical debt because their heroin pipe exploded in their face, who would pay the bill?
I am not a big government guy but I can't see anyway around some sort of socialized medicine if we want to continue to be a charitable nation. We can always refuse to treat folks without the means to repay but that is a line I don't want to cross.
[QUOTE="Original Mountaineer1, post: 1490157, member: 800"]We can always refuse to treat folks without the means to repay but that is a line I don't want to cross[/QUOTE]
Appreciate your concern here OM1, but where do we then draw that line? Personal responsibility cannot be "mandated". It has to be promoted then encouraged, then incentivized in order to become common in the culture.
I truly believe this is the primary point of discussion that's missing in this whole health care debate.
What are you as in individual prepared to do to secure your own access to your own health care? It doesn't work without some measure of personal responsibility, and this is a major problem facing our nation among all who see Government as it's replacement.
We are a compassionate society, but we are not a care taker society, and this is why we cannot reach a consensus on what is the right thing to do regarding the size, shape, and reach of the Government.
Appreciate your concern here OM1, but where do we then draw that line? Personal responsibility cannot be "mandated". It has to be promoted then encouraged, then incentivized in order to become common in the culture.
I truly believe this is the primary point of discussion that's missing in this whole health care debate.
What are you as in individual prepared to do to secure your own access to your own health care? It doesn't work without some measure of personal responsibility, and this is a major problem facing our nation among all who see Government as it's replacement.
We are a compassionate society, but we are not a care taker society, and this is why we cannot reach a consensus on what is the right thing to do regarding the size, shape, and reach of the Government.
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Every single one of your references is commentary on the RESPONSE, not the planning, design and implementation of the flood protection system.
Not that it matters, because the only truth that exists is the reality as you see it in your mind, regardless of facts, but you can certainly add flood protection to your list of government successes in this country, by the US Army Corps of Engineers and the TVA. By the way, I don't believe either agency has ever had a dam failure in their entire history.
Why are you still posting to my obviously stupid remarks countryroads89? I thought you were above that?
However if you read all of the information my stupid mind could collect for your information, you'd clearly see that at least 3 articles I offered did indeed address BOTH the pre-planning and response stages of the Katrina disaster. In all of those examples the common thread was Government malfeasance, incompetence, and ineffectiveness no matter how much you try to hide it or deny it.
I'd add more severe flooding countryroads89 to my endless list of Government failures.
So now you're arguing we don't still have terrible floods Government anti-flooding plans were designed to prevent?
I'm stupid...yup...you'd know.
Set it up like colleges do it. If you have insurance your insurance pays. If you don't have insurance and you go to the hospital you have to sign loan papers for federal dollars to pay your bill and then let the government collect their loans or sell them and make it impossible to write off your credit like a student loan. if you don't pay they can garnish your wages or your federal subsidies.
LOL, exactly where I got my reference. However, I took the comments with a grain of salt in that the article states: Success and failure, of course, are relative concepts, and reasonable people differ in their assessments.
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To be sure, each of these successful programs has had its problems. Were we writing on a blank slate, we might well design them differently. The Morrill Act’s land grants wound up disadvantaging historically black institutions that served their students well under difficult conditions.
Not discounting the HBCUs with regard to the comments, but overall these two programs (GI Bill and Morrill Act) have been very successful. I found no negative comments towards the GI Bill in the article.
I'm of the opinion that you find no government sponsored program worthwhile or successful.
Great goggler's think alike ex-pat, and I agree with your post. My point was to suggest to countryroads89 that there is very little Government ever does well much less so successfully despite it's best intentions some of which are arguably laudable, but disappointing in measurements of results. The G.I. bill had its merits, but its overall effect was to drive up prices for home buyers who would have received much better deals without it.
However, over all nice post.
And I think most of what government does, it does well.
What do you think of the privatization of our prisons? How do you think that is working out?
I also meant to post to you ex-pat, that we should take care of our Vets. Despite the failures of the VA, I am in favor of keeping it and improving its mission to care for those who served our country.
It is a shame how it's run now, and I do hope that is one promise Trump keeps... to fix the sorry shape and services of the VA. I think the G.I. Bill was a good idea, but direct payments in the form of vouchers for them to buy homes in the free market would have worked better...but I supported the objectives of increasing home ownership for our Vets.
Thank you for your service btw WVex-pat in GA.
It is a shame how it's run now, and I do hope that is one promise Trump keeps... to fix the sorry shape and services of the VA. I think the G.I. Bill was a good idea, but direct payments in the form of vouchers for them to buy homes in the free market would have worked better...but I supported the objectives of increasing home ownership for our Vets.
Thank you for your service btw WVex-pat in GA.
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countryroads89 if privatization of our Prison system were truly left without Government controls or mandates and restrictions, we'd have much better prisons. I can think of only two things I can safely argue Government does well because quite frankly that is it's job Constitutionally.
The Military...which ironically the Left hates. Our Armed Forces are second to none.
And authorization of the Treasury...or the minting of our means of private financial exchange (printing money)
I could argue for the Courts, but they miss my mark because of their unfortunate politicization.
However, that is still the only place we can go to air our grievances and seek relief or prosecute criminality, so I'd add a cautionary caveat to include them, minus their political bias.
Virtually all of the rest from A-Z is either marginally successful, or an abject failure by almost any measurement you'd care to utilize to grade it's success in my opinion.
And I would venture to guess that you have never visited a federal agency and don't know people that work for federal agencies. There are people with PhDs, engineers, scientists, doctors, lawyers, astrophysicists, molecular biologists, etc. etc. I am pretty pleased with how successful the CDC, an agency in your back yard, has been.
You have been brainwashed to buy into the party line that government is bad.
I truly feel sorry for you. You have been duped on so many levels; you don't think for yourself.
I am very familiar with the CDC countryroads89, you are obviously immune or indifferent to its ongoing criticisms as well as failures. It's often late responding to mass outbreaks, one most recently here in the Atlanta area (Ebola epidemic) is among a long list of examples of its incompetence.
I know there are some good people working in Government and I respect their professionalism as well as dedication. However they are trapped in a bad system, designed not to offer quality service and responsiveness to its customers (taxpayers) but primarily to perpetuate its own existence. They do not appreciate or care for the taxpayers who pay their salaries...by and large. They only care about keeping and growing their jobs and salaries, no matter what.
We have a weed down here called Kudzu. It grows like crazy, chokes off everything in it's path, and is very difficult to control if you don't limit its roots. Government grows like Kudzu, and must be handled the same way to keep it from metastasizing and swallowing up everything else in its path including our Freedoms.
I'm not "brainwashed" countryroads89 about the failures of Leviathan. I'd suggest you have bought into a false promise believing Government is not primarily interested in no other purpose than to perpetuate it's own existence. On this difference in our inherent trust/distrust of it, I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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FYI countryroads89, I spent 20 years reporting on them, and found nothing but waste fraud and abuse in 99.9% of my encounters with them.
You're talking to the wrong person about Government responsibility or accountability.
Best news I've heard since November 8th 2016. Buh, bye.
The sun will come up tomorrow.
I will call the rivals police and report him. So sad that someone disagrees with you and then calls you on your ********. LOL
