Explain Kenpom logic

[Cruel Halo]

Nebraska beats Illinois on the road and Mich St at home but their kenpom rating stays the same (#22) as does Mich St. (#15)

Illinois (after losing to Nebraska) beats Southern and Missouri and they move up. (#9)

Virginia loses to Va Tech on the road but beats NC St on the road and Virginia jumps from #26 to #20. Virginia does NOT have a better win than Nebraska.

Iowa (#18) jumped Nebraska after losing to Iowa St on the road.

I believe one metric is playing a tough schedule & future tough schedule. But if a team loses to the tough teams on its schedule, why do their rankings go up? St Johns and Kentucky are prime examples.

 

[mr.michigan]

Nebraska beats Illinois on the road and Mich St at home but their kenpom rating stays the same (#22) as does Mich St. (#15)

Illinois (after losing to Nebraska) beats Southern and Missouri and they move up. (#9)

Virginia loses to Va Tech on the road but beats NC St on the road and Virginia jumps from #26 to #20. Virginia does NOT have a better win than Nebraska.

Iowa (#18) jumped Nebraska after losing to Iowa St on the road.

I believe one metric is playing a tough schedule & future tough schedule. But if a team loses to the tough teams on its schedule, why do their rankings go up? St Johns and Kentucky are prime examples.

Kenpom isn't just winning and losing. I believe it also factors in offensive and defensive efficiency number. NET is more about who you beat and who you lost to.

 

[dinglefritz]

Nebraska beats Illinois on the road and Mich St at home but their kenpom rating stays the same (#22) as does Mich St. (#15)

Illinois (after losing to Nebraska) beats Southern and Missouri and they move up. (#9)

Virginia loses to Va Tech on the road but beats NC St on the road and Virginia jumps from #26 to #20. Virginia does NOT have a better win than Nebraska.

Iowa (#18) jumped Nebraska after losing to Iowa St on the road.

I believe one metric is playing a tough schedule & future tough schedule. But if a team loses to the tough teams on its schedule, why do their rankings go up? St Johns and Kentucky are prime examples.

. Beats the he11 out of me.

 

[Cruel Halo]

Kenpom isn't just winning and losing. I believe it also factors in offensive and defensive efficiency number. NET is more about who you beat and who you lost to.

Yup, I read some of that but at the end of the day, looking pretty in a loss to a highly ranked team shouldn't have as more of an impact vs a team that wins its games.

 

[cestrup]

It also factors in the football coaches hat preference

 

[Cruel Halo]

Villanova beat mediocre Butler by 18 on the road so they jump 8 spots to #20. Kenpom can suck a fat one.

 

[mgbreeze]

Well, here, I'll let AI explain it:

AI Overview

KenPom's core ratings are purely data-driven and algorithmic, but it incorporates human elements through its
H.U.M.A.N. Poll, which uses subscriber input to predict final rankings, and acknowledges subtle non-quantifiable aspects of players that analytics can't capture, showing a balance between data and human insight in college basketball.
Where the Human Element Comes In

• The H.U.M.A.N. Poll: This is a direct human-based poll where subscribers vote on matchups, and their aggregated results create a ranking, demonstrating a unique human-powered system alongside the standard data.
• Program Ratings: Ken Pomeroy has tweaked his formulas to include qualitative aspects like historic tournament performance and even transfer recruiting ratings, bridging data with human evaluation of program strength, notes 247Sports.
• Complementary Role of Analytics: While data is key, FanBuzz notes that Ken Pomeroy views analytics as complementing human observation, allowing humans to see subtle, non-quantifiable player details.

So, in a nutshell, it still comes down to bias from humans who refuse to acknowledge that Nebraska is better than the teams you're mentioning. Maybe fair? Keep winning I guess but it is maddening.

 

[GeorgeFlippin]

It is highly illogical.

 

[Arf_man]

It is highly illogical.

Forgot about that poster Vulcan? He was a good read

 

[Redscarlet]

It also factors in the football coaches hat preference

Hardy har har.

 

[king_kong__]

Well, here, I'll let AI explain it:

AI Overview

KenPom's core ratings are purely data-driven and algorithmic, but it incorporates human elements through its
H.U.M.A.N. Poll, which uses subscriber input to predict final rankings, and acknowledges subtle non-quantifiable aspects of players that analytics can't capture, showing a balance between data and human insight in college basketball.
Where the Human Element Comes In

• The H.U.M.A.N. Poll: This is a direct human-based poll where subscribers vote on matchups, and their aggregated results create a ranking, demonstrating a unique human-powered system alongside the standard data.
• Program Ratings: Ken Pomeroy has tweaked his formulas to include qualitative aspects like historic tournament performance and even transfer recruiting ratings, bridging data with human evaluation of program strength, notes 247Sports.
• Complementary Role of Analytics: While data is key, FanBuzz notes that Ken Pomeroy views analytics as complementing human observation, allowing humans to see subtle, non-quantifiable player details.

So, in a nutshell, it still comes down to bias from humans who refuse to acknowledge that Nebraska is better than the teams you're mentioning. Maybe fair? Keep winning I guess but it is maddening.

It’s not the humans it’s his program ratings metric which is a historical marker

it’s too heavily weighted. Our team in 2024 (and beyond) has nothing to do with the team out there this year but it does factor in the kenpom formula

 

[4.6.3]

We won’t go much higher in a few of the metrics. Due to certain things… and the fact that those 8-10 teams up top have a ton of good metrics, and have played solid competition. It really doesn’t matter until it’s time to book tickets on selection Sunday

 

[Kakdawg]

Nebraska beats Illinois on the road and Mich St at home but their kenpom rating stays the same (#22) as does Mich St. (#15)

Illinois (after losing to Nebraska) beats Southern and Missouri and they move up. (#9)

Virginia loses to Va Tech on the road but beats NC St on the road and Virginia jumps from #26 to #20. Virginia does NOT have a better win than Nebraska.

Iowa (#18) jumped Nebraska after losing to Iowa St on the road.

I believe one metric is playing a tough schedule & future tough schedule. But if a team loses to the tough teams on its schedule, why do their rankings go up? St Johns and Kentucky are prime examples.

Wish I could. Crazy thing is I'm a Virginia basketball fan and I have no clue how it works. I watched us lose in triple OT to what is a "decent" VT team. We played as poorly as I've seen us all season. Albeit on the road and a rvalry game I'm not sure how we didn't seem to get punished by that game.

I've also watches Nebraska a ton this year. Mainly the two big wins at Illinois and MSU. I don't think Virginia has one of those on our schedule yet. We did blow out a pretty good Texas team and NC st yesterday but no clue how these rankings work. From what I've seen I think Nebraska deserves to be ranked higher.

Hopefully the things straightens out as u continue to put belt to BIG *** lol.



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