Explain your recruiting in 2009...
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We're mad and skeptical because you're flipping our biggest recruits.
In 2008, did we steal any recruits that had committed to ole miss?
In 2008, did we steal any recruits that had committed to ole miss?
in any year, if three of OM's top commits, during a dead period while OM was playing in a NYD bowl game and State was sitting at home, decommitted from OM and then two weeks later basically chose State, would you and your Rebel friends think something fishy was going on?
See our 2008 class following the 2007 season and a coaching change, or see our 2005 class following the 2004 season and coaching change, or see your 2004 class following the dismal 2003 season and coaching change.
The transition between coaches usually means you're going to have to pick up a lot of leftovers, and you're going to lose a lot of players who haven't built relationships with the new staff. Those classes usually end up with a lot of attrition as well due to the fact that they jump into a situation with a staff they may not have a bond with already.
That's why a coaching change can be so difficult, even if you do make a splash hire. Recruits will still go where they're comfortable.
I think your 2009 class can be explained a good bit by the fact that so many of those in-state guys in particular got to know each other and felt comfortable sticking together despite the coaching change. Typically it doesn't give you a recruiting boost to change coaches in December/January before signing day.
The transition between coaches usually means you're going to have to pick up a lot of leftovers, and you're going to lose a lot of players who haven't built relationships with the new staff. Those classes usually end up with a lot of attrition as well due to the fact that they jump into a situation with a staff they may not have a bond with already.
That's why a coaching change can be so difficult, even if you do make a splash hire. Recruits will still go where they're comfortable.
I think your 2009 class can be explained a good bit by the fact that so many of those in-state guys in particular got to know each other and felt comfortable sticking together despite the coaching change. Typically it doesn't give you a recruiting boost to change coaches in December/January before signing day.
Tyler Russell was from a huge State family as were some of the others. But that class was going to hell and Mullen came in at the right time to pull it out of the fire and add to it.
I expect a much better class next year with a 'Gator Bowl' bump and having a new recruiting coordinator in Geoff Collins. We just hit the perfect storm this year with Hud and Diaz leaving and Nutt being backed into a corner. This class could certainly be better but we did get some good talent on the Lines which we need. Plus Dak Prescott will be a star in Mullen's system sooner or later. </p>
I expect a much better class next year with a 'Gator Bowl' bump and having a new recruiting coordinator in Geoff Collins. We just hit the perfect storm this year with Hud and Diaz leaving and Nutt being backed into a corner. This class could certainly be better but we did get some good talent on the Lines which we need. Plus Dak Prescott will be a star in Mullen's system sooner or later. </p>
to keep bringing this up and we've been through this over and over. That year was completely different in that all we did was hold guys through a bad season and coaching change that had been committed to us all along. We certainly didn't flip any Ole Miss commitments. We DID lose Patterson because of our lousy season. Mullen added Bumphis and Perkins after he arrived because of his style offense but we would NOT have gotten those guys had we kept Croom. For this many top HS in-state guys to flip in the last month and a half from the in-state team that had the good year and has everything positive going to the team that had the bad year, some obvious internal issues and a less than enthusiastic game atmosphere this year is unprecedented in the nearly 3 decades I've kept up with recruiting. Definitely curious to say the least.
I don't think that's true. Patterson looked like the next Randy Moss in the all-American game and was giving the CJ full-court press.maroonmania said:
You can't compare the 'MS HR' to our 2009 class.
Look at the recruit list, half of the 4 star players are either Juco our OOS. We got a lot of kids from Philly, Meridian, Tupelo, Fulton, Louisville etc... Those places are typically State areas. Same as SP and MC are Ole Miss schools for whatever reason.
Look at the recruit list, half of the 4 star players are either Juco our OOS. We got a lot of kids from Philly, Meridian, Tupelo, Fulton, Louisville etc... Those places are typically State areas. Same as SP and MC are Ole Miss schools for whatever reason.
Thinking something is going to happen over this is a dumb as OM fans thinking something would happen over Elliott or Pegues.
And again, I can point to our 2008 class when we moved from an unproven coach with a 3-21 SEC record to a proven veteran coach with a 42-38 SEC record, and I think we signed 1 player that was committed prior to Nutt's hire, a player that never made it to campus.
That's more typical of a transition class than holding onto what you already have AND adding to it, despite the change and a really poor season prior.
That's more typical of a transition class than holding onto what you already have AND adding to it, despite the change and a really poor season prior.
but I do know he decommitted from us the week after the infamous 3-2 Auburn game where our offense looked like a trainwreck.
The spread offense rage was in full force and Mullen was portrayed as the Co-Architect of one of the most prolific offenses in college football history. That's a far cry from Nutt's fall from grace at Arkansas. (not to get in a pissing match, he's a good coach).
When Malzahn becomes a HC you can gaurantee he'll have recruits swimming to the boat big time.
When Malzahn becomes a HC you can gaurantee he'll have recruits swimming to the boat big time.
to happen over this even if some shady stuff is going on. Its pretty obvious that its anything goes in SEC recruiting right now and the SEC office is going to keep everything under wraps because the mantra is just everybody stays off probation. Even so I would prefer MSU to try and run a relatively clean program even if it costs us a few players here and there.
But it's notas dumb as OM fans thinking something would happen over Elliott or Pegeus.The "game"has beenwratcheted up since Auburn showed what a goodinvestment pushing the envelope would be.One of the small potatoes and probably Auburn too will eventually get burned. If MSUhad wratcheted up spending this year, I think Slive would would be happy tostick it to them just to keep everybodyelse reasonable and to repay MSU for blowing the whistle on Cecil.It may take two or three yeras, but as everybody starts wratcheting up payments and it gets too obvious, somebody will have to be the scapegoat, and UM is as goodor better than anybody (except Stateas long as Slive is pissed about the Newton situation).babbleBrebel said:
I understand that there can be excitement around a new hire, but it doesn't typically translate all that strong to the current recruiting class, because like I said recruiting is about relationships in large part.
Take a look at Nick Saban. I don't think you could argue that any hire made more of a splash in the last 10 years in the SEC than Alabama's hire of Saban.
His 2007 class was by far his lowest rated class. Every other class he's signed has been Top 5. The 2007 class was his transition class. Shula had started the class strong, but Saban still had to build a lot of it late on his own, and it wasn't his strongest class.
To this point, the transition class has been Mullen's strongest, whatever the reason for that is. Regardless of the reason, it's not typical that way. Likewise, Florida's class this year is a little lower than normal with the coaching transition.
I think the transition, like you were saying, was eased a lot by the fact that a lot of your big commits were in-state guys, many from typical MSU strongholds, and therefore they chose to stick it out despite the coaching change. I'm sure Mullen helped sell keeping many of them on, but typically you'd have seen more of your class have to be rebuilt.
Take a look at Nick Saban. I don't think you could argue that any hire made more of a splash in the last 10 years in the SEC than Alabama's hire of Saban.
His 2007 class was by far his lowest rated class. Every other class he's signed has been Top 5. The 2007 class was his transition class. Shula had started the class strong, but Saban still had to build a lot of it late on his own, and it wasn't his strongest class.
To this point, the transition class has been Mullen's strongest, whatever the reason for that is. Regardless of the reason, it's not typical that way. Likewise, Florida's class this year is a little lower than normal with the coaching transition.
I think the transition, like you were saying, was eased a lot by the fact that a lot of your big commits were in-state guys, many from typical MSU strongholds, and therefore they chose to stick it out despite the coaching change. I'm sure Mullen helped sell keeping many of them on, but typically you'd have seen more of your class have to be rebuilt.
What is it exactly that you're TRYING to say? I sometimes think you just post to argue. Someone could say "the sky is blue" and you'd have some contrary remark.<div>Just us the 10-word summary really quickly so we can go about our day and not have to anticipate another "wise" word from you.</div>
What can be learned from the Newton thing so far. First, compliance staff at individual schools in the SEC must also serve as the investigative team to prove wrong doing. Slive has said as much. The SEC office is not an investigative body and MSU didn't provide enough evidence in a time frame to suit him. Second, the accuser is the guilty party. Or as I believe I heard Slive say in one of his press conferences, "He who smelt it dealt it."
If we assume the OM recruiting isn't on the up and up who's going to turn them in? MSU can't, not after last year. And OM is only trying to flip MSU commits. Of course we'll naturally be in more head to head recruiting battles with them but if Nutt is smart (and he appears to be) he's not going to try and piss on one of the other conference members. The only coaches who I think could blow any of this up would be Saban and Meyer. Meyer is no longer in the league and Saban proved last year with Auburn that he's not about to blow the whistle. And why would he? Bama basically get's his pick of who they want anyway right now.
If we assume the OM recruiting isn't on the up and up who's going to turn them in? MSU can't, not after last year. And OM is only trying to flip MSU commits. Of course we'll naturally be in more head to head recruiting battles with them but if Nutt is smart (and he appears to be) he's not going to try and piss on one of the other conference members. The only coaches who I think could blow any of this up would be Saban and Meyer. Meyer is no longer in the league and Saban proved last year with Auburn that he's not about to blow the whistle. And why would he? Bama basically get's his pick of who they want anyway right now.
slobber running down his mouth, shitting his diaper, still trying with his final few energetic moments, to convince everyone that they are wrong and he is right.</p>
On paper at least, every year OM out recruits MSU, and what does OM have to show for it?
A 2-4 record against Vanderbilt since 2005.
Boy, that'ssome great recrootin'.
A 2-4 record against Vanderbilt since 2005.
Boy, that'ssome great recrootin'.
re-read 8dog and missouridog's original replys to this thread and that's where msu fans are coming from. As a die hard rebel can you not take a step back and see that something shady went down with CJ Johnson? Nutt isn't that good of a recruiter.