Saturday night: I had had enough of hearing how we suck and the Bears are so vastlyimproved. I heard it at the HS game Friday night. I read it in the DJ Saturday morning. John L Pitts dismissed us as undefeated and overated (his words) in one small paragraph and talked up the bears like crazy. I t read the same stuff from our own posters all day long. It hacked me off. When the great Freeze blew the game (despite getting every break in the book, six turnovers!) I just exploded and had to point out what some of yall sound like these days. It's almost like some of you are waiting for the wheels to come off and live in fear of the Bears. Enjoy it folks, they still aren't that good and we are 5-0. Also to answer a couple of questions: It wasn't good scotch and I didn't have a headache Sunday morning. If the party line is I have to say only positive stuff about the Bears then go ahead make it permanent because I ain't gonna do it, no matter if they are 13-0.
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Maybe you should just try to be realistic for a change. The fact is, the Bears are improved. I don't care if you like it or not. They are. So what? We're 5-0 and headed to an 8-10 win season (before the bowl game). Yes, we've got some people just looking for things to worry about and that's just as stupid as trying to deny that UM is an improved team. Just enjoy it and who gives a 17 what they do. Doesn't matter to me in the least if they go 3-9 or 5-7.
Before you do it I really would like to know what is wrong with a MSU alum hating UM. That is a serious question. I find this absolutely fascinating since this is a MSU board. If you give me a good reason I'll back off voluntarialy.
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Exactly... this might be message board, but when you start letting what other people say get to you that damn much... why even bother being on the board? And just like pat said... the guys that claim they are fans of state waiting for catastrophe to strike just to prove that their doom and gloom prediction was true sounds every bit as stupid as you not choosing to be objectionable when it comes to admitting the improvements of another team despite them being a rival.
BLINDLY hating them is the point
if you can't live in reality then you are going to be a constant pain in the *** when posting here. The board was created so that people could actually talk about what they actually see on the field rather than totally disregarding reality and acting...well acting like you.
if you can't live in reality then you are going to be a constant pain in the *** when posting here. The board was created so that people could actually talk about what they actually see on the field rather than totally disregarding reality and acting...well acting like you.
Ok, if those are the rules then fine. I never had that explained to me about this board before. I don't agree with it but if that's what y'all want then so be it. Still, though, I thought blind hate is what rivalries are all about. That's the fun of it for most I think. It's also all in good fun man. I have a diploma from UM on my wall right beside the MSU one.
Coincidentally he does. Looking in the shsdawgtionary.... Blindly: adverb 1) Choosing to not acknowledge facts if they go against one's beliefs 2) Without understanding, reservation or objection regarding anything Ole Miss and other predefined words.
It means that you still don't like them and don't think much of them no matter how good they are. DerHnter got me. It's blind hate. Do you think Michigan fans think Ohio State still sucks when Ohio State wins a national championship? Did Auburn fans still think Bama sucks right now? Of course they do. If UM wins a MNC they would still suck, at least to me and the MSU people I grew up around. It nearly WAS like that back then come to think of it.
No, my definition of blindly is the same as what you posted. When it comes to UM: guilty as charged. As for engie's questioning of my definition of reality my answer would be that reality is in the eye of the beholder. Obviously there is an absolute reality but everyone has a different perception of that absolute. That's elementary human nature. If it wasn't it would be a better world. There would be no politics for starters.
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I do think what is best about this board is knowing the difference in how to express the difference in "their fans suck" and "their team sucks". Homerism is mindless and boring, thus the reason the pack is not.
What If I still think their team sucks? I think it does by the way. It might not suck as bad but when you get SIX turnovers at home you should win. That's how REALLY good teams lose on the road to bad ones. I do think the beat Auburn this Saturday.
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The guys who created SPS were banned multiple times from Gene's page for simply talking about what they saw on the field of play, regardless of the jersy on the backs of the players. Gene and his boys couldn't stand for that. If we sucked, they said otherwise. If OM or any other team had a good game, they said otherwise.
I understand you hating OM but talking objectively about their performance isn't exactly the same thing as speaking positively about them and pumping red and blue koolaid through your veins. I think most of us have been distastefully surprised that Freezus has them playing better than the end of their season last year with Nutt. We have compared what they were able to do last year to what they are doing this year.
Just offer a different opinion based on what you see rather than being a jackass and saying nothing they do can make them good (record, scores, stats, etc.) and you probably won't piss everyone off as much.
I understand you hating OM but talking objectively about their performance isn't exactly the same thing as speaking positively about them and pumping red and blue koolaid through your veins. I think most of us have been distastefully surprised that Freezus has them playing better than the end of their season last year with Nutt. We have compared what they were able to do last year to what they are doing this year.
Just offer a different opinion based on what you see rather than being a jackass and saying nothing they do can make them good (record, scores, stats, etc.) and you probably won't piss everyone off as much.
I was talking to a friend late Saturday and made the joke....
"well, this is moral victory #3 for the Bears!"
I thought I was making a joke. Now I realize I was actually correct.
"well, this is moral victory #3 for the Bears!"
I thought I was making a joke. Now I realize I was actually correct.
So if you ask a normal Auburn fan right now if Alabama sucks, they will say yes? That is just dumb. I mean I understand what you are saying. You hate Ole Miss, and if they won it all you would still hate them. I guess what I'm not understanding is that you would still say their football team sucked? I mean their fans, the players attitudes, etc. can suck, but if they won the NC their football team would not suck. I mean at this point we are arguing common sense.
All right how about this: They got 6 turnovers Saturday night at home and still lost. You have to work to have that happen. The people they have beaten this year they would have beaten LAST year pre Nutt announcement. They also played a few good teams close during that stretch. Arkansas comes to mind. I'm not sold on them yet, not like some of y'all seem to be. They'll beat Auburn I think, but I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't. They may not suck as bad, but they still suck. That is my objectiive opinion with facts to back it up.
there are 10 other boards you can go to if you want to be an unabashed homer. but if you bring that weak homer **** here youre gonna get blasted and banned for it. it's 17ing lame to just spout off at the mouth and actually ignore what's really going on in the world around you.
you can be message board macho somewhere else.
I would ask you guys show him a little leeway.
I know shs personally and have known him for a long, long time. He is a devout MSU guy and has a passion about not liking the Rebel fandom that came from living in the same hometown as I did and going to their med school and listening to them constantly all his life. He has no desire to be open minded when it comes to talking about them and has no plans to change that. He is solid MSU down to the core and makes no bones about it.
shsdawg, I think I would agree with another poster in this thread and just avoid the Ole Miss threads like I avoid some other subjects that have come up on this board. And don't let the lunatic fringe bait you into another tirade. You should also know that DerHntr is a great guy that I have had many email conversations with and I think you guys really got off on the wrong foot and should just agree to disagree for now.
As for the mods on this board. I would remind you there are posters on this board you have allowed to stay who voiced opinions to the 20,000th degree or are always combative.
I know shs personally and have known him for a long, long time. He is a devout MSU guy and has a passion about not liking the Rebel fandom that came from living in the same hometown as I did and going to their med school and listening to them constantly all his life. He has no desire to be open minded when it comes to talking about them and has no plans to change that. He is solid MSU down to the core and makes no bones about it.
shsdawg, I think I would agree with another poster in this thread and just avoid the Ole Miss threads like I avoid some other subjects that have come up on this board. And don't let the lunatic fringe bait you into another tirade. You should also know that DerHntr is a great guy that I have had many email conversations with and I think you guys really got off on the wrong foot and should just agree to disagree for now.
As for the mods on this board. I would remind you there are posters on this board you have allowed to stay who voiced opinions to the 20,000th degree or are always combative.
I agree somewhat with SHS in his "blind hatred", mine isn't for Ole Miss but for Notre Dame and to a measure Al. I used to say, I didn't care if either one won another game ! I have since tempered my hatred for Al since I realized that their championships put money in the pocket of my university directly and indirectly. I guess this hatred stems from growing up in the era of two tv channels, on Saturday you watched ND or whoever was on the other channel and most of the time that was Bama in this part of the country. It still pisses me off to go in a Walmart in Ms and see more Bama crap than OM and state combined. I think now that Auburn has replaced Bama on my list!
I like it and agree for the most part. I think they are playing with a lot of fire right now. I don't remember their defense busting anyone in the mouth like they did Bama in the first half of that game. But, I only think that fire will take you a short distance towards being relevant aGAIN. They can't win against the Bamas or even the mid-tier SEC teams without upgrading their talent and having an offensive scheme that is sustainable in a tough, brutilizing schedule.
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If you said that from the very beginning, no one would have said ****. The problem everyone with issue has had is that you're refusing to admit that there's improvement simply because it's Ole Miss. And when people do admit that they're better, you attack them and say that they're not true fans. Being objectionable is not the same thing as liking a team. That's where you pissed people off.
Then if you think that make the case. But to say anyone who doesn't perpetually contend their team sucks as you are doing in the case of the 13-0 example, is by definition homerism. It makes the board unreadable.
The auburn game will embolden their fans, but not the ones who come here unless they like getting their balls stomped.
Your tirade had the theme that state fans should be somehow obligated to feel that way. Not on this board.
The auburn game will embolden their fans, but not the ones who come here unless they like getting their balls stomped.
Your tirade had the theme that state fans should be somehow obligated to feel that way. Not on this board.
It's like this. Just becuase some folks on here see an improvement in OM doesn't mean **** in the real world. Just because one of our fans says "ole miss looks better" doesn't mean the football Gods will descend from Valhalla and actually make them a world class team - methinks this is what you think, that if we acknowledge that they are better then they will get even better. The improvement is miniscule at best, don't freak out, all they've done is beat a few OOC pansies, as an SEC team should do.
NOW here's an important point: When you deny these things despite the facts that prove them you sound delusional, just like them. When you sound delusional like them, folks on here think you ARE one of them. Stop acting like THEM.
Nobody is denying your right to hate ole miss. You don't have to pull **** out of thin air and ignore actual facts to do it. You can hate them on an intelligent, rational, and thinking manner. I am going to give you, and everyone else the reason, free of charge, from me to all of you. Here goes: they are our most loathesome arch rival. There's all the cotton pickin reason you need to hate on em. Now go ye forth and hate in a rational manner.
NOW here's an important point: When you deny these things despite the facts that prove them you sound delusional, just like them. When you sound delusional like them, folks on here think you ARE one of them. Stop acting like THEM.
Nobody is denying your right to hate ole miss. You don't have to pull **** out of thin air and ignore actual facts to do it. You can hate them on an intelligent, rational, and thinking manner. I am going to give you, and everyone else the reason, free of charge, from me to all of you. Here goes: they are our most loathesome arch rival. There's all the cotton pickin reason you need to hate on em. Now go ye forth and hate in a rational manner.
If you want to exist on a board that is driven by a selected clique of posters, you need to stay put at one of the Scout sites because that is how they are generally driven. There you must be a homer to their thoughts no matter how delusional, otherwise be banned to damnation. This is true at most of their sites if you don't believe it jump over to Auburn site and make a couple of posts and see how long you are there.
Thanks bro. I still have to listen to it constantly and have to grin and "bear" it in many if not most situations. I understood this to be a place you could let it out and where opposing and sometimes abrasive opinions were not only allowed but encoraged. Since it seems I was wrong I'll tone it down and apoligise.
Rooting against and loving to see UM in misery is one thing. Acting a dumbass and not being a rational person to talk to is another thing. I took joy in their loss Saturday night, but if I am talking football I take notice that they are improved. I have friends that are Ole Miss fans, we can enjoy watching the other be miserable, but also actualy talk about football. That is what rivalries and fandom is about. Enjoying your friends misery, but not blindly talking unreasonable ****. That is for the walmart fans. Are you as passionate about your job and family?
Most any State fan ...
that grew up during the JV era understands exactly how SHS feels. Those were the 'dark ages' of State football and just like SHS, I will never find much positive to say about OM. I have good friends and family that pull for OM and after three years of Mullen, they are finally beginning to understand 'why' I feel the way I do.
that grew up during the JV era understands exactly how SHS feels. Those were the 'dark ages' of State football and just like SHS, I will never find much positive to say about OM. I have good friends and family that pull for OM and after three years of Mullen, they are finally beginning to understand 'why' I feel the way I do.
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