to be fair their backs were against the wall playing 8 on 5 the whole night and it's a testament to Roy that the game was even that close.
Favorite THR Quotes....
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Start at post 224.
https://forums.rivals.com/threads/duke-unc.446363/page-6
Pretty funny trip down memory lane, and it "isn't even debatable."
Start at post 224.
https://forums.rivals.com/threads/duke-unc.446363/page-6
Pretty funny trip down memory lane, and it "isn't even debatable."
The thread that @dukiejay started after that one got locked up was fun too. Our little cryfly did some awesome back peddling in that one.
Lame.
Photographic evidence would be the eye test. Apparently you're new to this "humor" thing. Let me know if you want some tips.
Ahh... so photographic evidence and the eye test are the same thing. And here I thought a photograph was just a snapshot in time, whereas the eye test is an evaluation of a player, team, or situation. So through the eye test you were able to confirm that Harrison Barnes was an efficient player because of photographic evidence, right? Make sense now.
Don't attempt this at home kids. My eyes are better than yours. I'm a trained professional.
And to think Roy actually postgame said on not taking a TO:
"I didnt want to give them a chance to get their defense set."
OFC
TPFKAPFS:
"Nobody outworks Roy! Especially when it comes to Mr. Bamba. It also sounds like the net is getting larger."
These people actually think they have a shot at Bamba. Lol, bless their hearts.
"Nobody outworks Roy! Especially when it comes to Mr. Bamba. It also sounds like the net is getting larger."
These people actually think they have a shot at Bamba. Lol, bless their hearts.
I love this thread because I knew that I can count on this thread whenever I need a good laugh but if you think about it, it's kind of sad that this thread has reached 93 pages but it shows just how delusional 95% of the posters at THR are and I hope this thread never dies lol
"Ned Cota" talking about how this Brandon Randolph and Bamba are tight and the PF he talks about maybe committing August 22nd is him. Hey, can't blame those poor bastards for dreaming, I guess...
"Sounds like Roy is getting them lined up in order...1. Felton, 2. Platek, 3. Randolph...if Randolph commits does that mean we get our PF next? Maybe on August 22?"
Lined up in order. Lol. Yeah, Platek and Randolph is just SCARY good! Ha.
"Sounds like Roy is getting them lined up in order...1. Felton, 2. Platek, 3. Randolph...if Randolph commits does that mean we get our PF next? Maybe on August 22?
"Lined up in order. Lol. Yeah, Platek and Randolph is just SCARY good! Ha.
DSouth with a load of nonsense:
"In college you either change your system to fit the players or you bring in players that fit the system you run. Clearly Roy brings in players to fit his system rather than change his system. Sometimes you just don't have a choice and have to modify your system to fit the players you have. GSW has the shooters to make the way they play work but the Spurs play more of a standard system and bring in guys that play within that to great success.
Funny thing is, duke used to play more like the way GSW have played last couple seasons, spread the court and let guards penetrate and kick back for open treys, use the big men as rebounders. K went away from that and decided to bring in 1yr stars and feature them and the strengths they had coming in so he could compete with kalipari in recruiting after watching kal win a natty with one & done players."
Apparently adapting your strategy to the talent you have on your roster is a bad thing. Also, I got a big laugh out of his insinuating that Coach K completely changed his strategy as a coach because Kentucky won the title in 2012.
But, good for you Roy! You keep outworking everyone for all the players you keep failing to land. After all, nobody works harder than Roy, which I suppose explains why he never has any time to out-think other coaches.
"In college you either change your system to fit the players or you bring in players that fit the system you run. Clearly Roy brings in players to fit his system rather than change his system. Sometimes you just don't have a choice and have to modify your system to fit the players you have. GSW has the shooters to make the way they play work but the Spurs play more of a standard system and bring in guys that play within that to great success.
Funny thing is, duke used to play more like the way GSW have played last couple seasons, spread the court and let guards penetrate and kick back for open treys, use the big men as rebounders. K went away from that and decided to bring in 1yr stars and feature them and the strengths they had coming in so he could compete with kalipari in recruiting after watching kal win a natty with one & done players."
Apparently adapting your strategy to the talent you have on your roster is a bad thing. Also, I got a big laugh out of his insinuating that Coach K completely changed his strategy as a coach because Kentucky won the title in 2012.
But, good for you Roy! You keep outworking everyone for all the players you keep failing to land. After all, nobody works harder than Roy, which I suppose explains why he never has any time to out-think other coaches.
Did he say it was "a bad thing"?
Speaking of working hard, the effort you're putting in to keep this thread alive is impressive.
He certainly doesn't paint Coach K's decision to adapt in a flattering light. So no.
Not hard at all as long as all you idiots keep posting stupid things.
Dick, you posted this, as of now, a full 12 minutes ago and your puppy hasn't "liked" it yet. Are you at all concerned about his/her welfare?
I agree with dsouther. hof coach roy williams does bring in players to fit his system. big luke maye, joel james, p.j. hairston. stillman white and kennedy meeks. OFC
Reminds me of the posts last week where they were whining about how all UNC players drop in the rankings after committing to UNC. Someone needs to remind them that Joel James was ranked as the # 65 player in the country when he graduated high school, well ahead of guys like Denzel Valentine and Buddy Hield.
https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2012
gary talking about how Joel Berry will be fine in old Roy's "system". Loll. gary LOVES the word "system". Yeah, Roy's "system" is just amazing. Ha Haa.
No worries. Our system's not changing and JB has never been a selfish player, even while winning POY 3 times in Florida. He does what he does in the system he's in. Roy basically just gave him the Marcus Paige green light to create his shot when he wants/needs to with the trust that he'll use it wisely.
No worries. Our system's not changing and JB has never been a selfish player, even while winning POY 3 times in Florida. He does what he does in the system he's in. Roy basically just gave him the Marcus Paige green light to create his shot when he wants/needs to with the trust that he'll use it wisely.
Please use the proper respect when we discuss the two time preseason ACC player of the yeargary talking about how Joel Berry will be fine in old Roy's "system". Loll. gary LOVES the word "system". Yeah, Roy's "system" is just amazing. Ha Haa.
No worries. Our system's not changing and JB has never been a selfish player, even while winning POY 3 times in Florida. He does what he does in the system he's in. Roy basically just gave him the Marcus Paige green light to create his shot when he wants/needs to with the trust that he'll use it wisely.
Coach K adapts to what he has on his roster. He recruits the top players he can that will fit in at the program (academically, socially and on the court) There were a bunch of years Duke was not landing big guys that could get a bucket down low, so he adapted and went to a drive and kick offense to best utilize the talent he had. That is what great coaches do. When yo try to fit a square peg in a round hole....you lose games.
Like when Roy had Larry Drew try to play the role of Ty Lawson and the Wear brothers to play the role of Hansbro?
Or when Roy doesn't have full confidence in his wings and he occasionally places John Henson and the Wear twins at the 2 and 3 positions. Good times.
Or when HE's cocerned about FT shooting focus: Deion gets unnerved by an errant Presbyterian fan in the NoseDome, and he must have him removed????
#MissItDeion
Can you IMAGINE the heat K would have taken for such action....SMH
OFC
#MissItDeion
Can you IMAGINE the heat K would have taken for such action....SMH
OFC
Since that Presbyterian game from almost 7 years ago, Roy has only had two top 10 recruits (JaMicMac and Jackson), a loss every year to Duke, and no national titles. #ThePresbyterianCurse
Such a horrible post by DSouthr.
Adaptability is a part of every day life....being it with your family, your professional life and life in general. I have a group of 14 salespeople who work for me and I manage each one different because each of them is different. I encourage them to dictate their style of selling to their specific strengths. If I managed each the same and had the same expectations for each then I'd be a horrible manager. (One could say I'm a horrible manager for spending too much time here every day, but that's another argument.
)Coach K hasn't really changed. I don't know how many of you had a chance to listen to K on J.J.'s podcast a few weeks back, but he laid out some things that were so obvious that often go unnoticed.
One, Duke doesn't recruit any different than they did 10 years ago, 20 years ago or even 30 years ago. Duke recruits the best prep players in the country every year. It just so happens the game has changed and now those top players don't stick around like they used to. Do any of us really think that if Christian Laettner and Grant Hill played today they'd be here for four years? Coach K even made it a point to mention that 10-12 years ago J.J. would have had a professional decision to make after his freshman and sophomore years. It's just the reality. I'm not a fan of it either, but it exists....so you adapt.
Two, Coach K isn't bringing in one year stars to simply compete with Calipari. For one, K is better than Cal and it's not really an argument. Like I said above, K always recruited the top guys....he just unfortunately was missing out on a lot of them in that 2006-09 timeframe. We brought in a lot of great players and Duke legends in that time, but none of those guys were viewed as potential future NBA stars and all, with the exception of Singler, were ranked outside the top 10. Last year UNC offered something like 18 of the top 25 players in the class of 2016. Obviously Roy was willing to make sacrifices....idiots like DSouthr are either too dumb to recognize it or are simply in denial because Roy isn't bringing in the top guys that he targets himself.
Lastly, Coach K won a national championship in 2010 with the very definition of a veteran team. Three senior starters and two juniors. He then sprinkled in younger role players who accepted their part and played them perfectly. We recruited Brandan Wright, Greg Monroe, Harrison Barnes and more kids who were deemed one- or- two-year players. We swung and missed. Right now we're not swinging and missing, but Roy and UNC are....so then what you get are stupid and ridiculous posts from people like DSouthr.
Courtesy of @OldasdirtDevil:Such a horrible post by DSouthr.
Adaptability is a part of every day life....being it with your family, your professional life and life in general. I have a group of 14 salespeople who work for me and I manage each one different because each of them is different. I encourage them to dictate their style of selling to their specific strengths. If I managed each the same and had the same expectations for each then I'd be a horrible manager. (One could say I'm a horrible manager for spending too much time here every day, but that's another argument.
Coach K hasn't really changed. I don't know how many of you had a chance to listen to K on J.J.'s podcast a few weeks back, but he laid out some things that were so obvious that often go unnoticed.
One, Duke doesn't recruit any different than they did 10 years ago, 20 years ago or even 30 years ago. Duke recruits the best prep players in the country every year. It just so happens the game has changed and now those top players don't stick around like they used to. Do any of us really think that if Christian Laettner and Grant Hill played today they'd be here for four years? Coach K even made it a point to mention that 10-12 years ago J.J. would have had a professional decision to make after his freshman and sophomore years. It's just the reality. I'm not a fan of it either, but it exists....so you adapt.
Two, Coach K isn't bringing in one year stars to simply compete with Calipari. For one, K is better than Cal and it's not really an argument. Like I said above, K always recruited the top guys....he just unfortunately was missing out on a lot of them in that 2006-09 timeframe. We brought in a lot of great players and Duke legends in that time, but none of those guys were viewed as potential future NBA stars and all, with the exception of Singler, were ranked outside the top 10. Last year UNC offered something like 18 of the top 25 players in the class of 2016. Obviously Roy was willing to make sacrifices....idiots like DSouthr are either too dumb to recognize it or are simply in denial because Roy isn't bringing in the top guys that he targets himself.
Lastly, Coach K won a national championship in 2010 with the very definition of a veteran team. Three senior starters and two juniors. He then sprinkled in younger role players who accepted their part and played them perfectly. We recruited Brandan Wright, Greg Monroe, Harrison Barnes and more kids who were deemed one- or- two-year players. We swung and missed. Right now we're not swinging and missing, but Roy and UNC are....so then what you get are stupid and ridiculous posts from people like DSouthr.
Unless y'all aren't quoting the entire poast, I still fail to see where Dsouthr called K's adaptability "a bad thing". If anything, it's a compliment. He just states that there are two ways of doing it - (1) change the style of play to accommodate the personnel or (2) just get players that fit your preferred style. K has obviously chosen the former and Roy, the latter. Good for K for wanting to adapt. Roy doesn't appear he wants to do that. I made the statement a couple weeks ago here that the only thing Roy likes more than winning, is winning his way. Has he lost some because of it? Probably. But he's also won almost 80% of his games doing it his way. As a fan, we take the good with the bad. Why does a fan of any other team care? Some of y'all act like the way Roy chooses to run his program is a personal affront.
Adaptability is a part of every day life....being it with your family, your professional life and life in general. I have a group of 14 salespeople who work for me and I manage each one different because each of them is different. I encourage them to dictate their style of selling to their specific strengths. If I managed each the same and had the same expectations for each then I'd be a horrible manager. (One could say I'm a horrible manager for spending too much time here every day, but that's another argument.
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Good for you. But that doesn't mean you have to do it that way. I could choose to make all my staff simply adjust to me rather than me adjusting to them. Will they like working here as much? Maybe, maybe not. But we can be just as productive doing it that way as the way you've chosen to do it.
While the idea of having to sell the program differently because of the OAD rule is indeed adapting and K has succeeded in doing so, I don't think that's the kind of adapting that Dave was talking about. I think he's talking about style of play. Now I think style of play and the OAD rule are kind of linked because freshman aren't always ready to play a more developed system. The UK fans like to talk about the "dribble drive" but is that really anything more than just a bunch of iso plays? Y'all saw it last year too. Y'all ran more iso plays than I remember from a duke team. This year will be telling. Because outside of Allen, your best players will be bigs. So it will be interesting to see if K caters to them with gameplans or still prefers to operate on the outside and let bigs get their points by going and getting rebounds.
He's absolutely gone this route to compete with Cal. If that wasn't the case, he would have been on the OAD players before Cal. Cal showed how to do it and K has succeeded implementing the same thing at duke. Because you know as well as I that if we asked K behind closed doors if he thought the same of one year players as he does of 3 or 4 year players, he'd be adamant that he prefers long term guys. But to his credit, he's hidden his true feelings on that well enough to attract blue chippers planning to be in school only one year. But again, you're still thinking Dave was talking about recruiting style and I still think he was talking about style of play.
As far as Roy and our program, we've been through this and it was just a week or so ago. Yes, we all acknowledge that Roy recruits guys who are most likely OAD players. But you're not sitting there when he's recruiting them and I can only go off of what the man himself says. Roy makes it clear that he wants guys longer than one year. So yes, he recruits OAD players but he basically sends the message that they won't be OAD if they attend Carolina. Could that be attributed to Roy's inability to maximize a player's potential in such a short amount of time? I'm sure that's what you and other duke fans want to think. And I'll agree it's probably part of it. But I also like to think that Roy values the relationships that he creates with 3 and 4 year guys in so much that he's going to give the benefit of doubt to them. OAD players have noticed this and shy away from Carolina because of it. It's also partly attributed to the fact that Roy will go 10, 11, 12 deep with his rotation cutting back on the minutes that OAD guys think they're entitled to. we saw it the year that UK "platooned". All the talk during the next recruiting period was that OAD guys didn't want to share minutes like that.
I'm Presbyterian. As such, I shall think of it as the Curse of DBav...
Meme usage level - 6 (out of 10).
I might have gone with:
Ronald talking on the phone will get you a laugh every time.
Or if you really wanted to set yourself apart in the meme game, you could have gone with an animated gif:
But, I acknowledge that Ron Burgundy is cool. And using Ron Burgundy memes will always get you a chuckle. But you could have gotten a full on "lol" from many folks had you been patient enough to find John C. Reilly with an afro in an animated gif:
http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/10/-BFD-dont-care-Dr-Steve-Brule-Uncaring-Who-cares-Dont-care-Who-gives-a-****-Dont-give-a-****-No-one-cares-GIF.gif?gs=a
The notion that you feel like you are tapped into how K would feel behind closed doors is laughable. You contend he "hides his true feelings," and that is dumb in this specific context, but even dumber in general - Coach K is known as a guy that doesn't hide his feelings - see the end of last year's Oregon game.
And I feel 100% confident (and have heard him specifically say as much) that if you asked him what kind of players he prefers, it would not have ANYTHING to do with their tenure - he would say he wants talented players that buy in, and that is generally what he gets. If the alternative to coaching guys like Kyrie Irving, Jabari Parker, Jahlil Okafor, Brandon Ingram, etc. for one year is to not coach them at all, you would have to be a complete idiot to take the latter. I think you are doing the National Pastime of THR and rationalizing a little here because Roy currently isn't getting those guys.
To the adaptability argument, I guess you could chalk it up to personal preference, but if the choice is a guy who needs a certain type of personnel to succeed, and fails to adapt without it, vs. a guy who can win at the highest level with different types of rosters and personnel and styles, I don't know that that is a difficult choice either. The second guys get you 1000+ wins and counting, and five National Championships and counting.
Then by all means, laugh it up, Chuckles.
Of course K is going to say what he said. It wouldn't do much for recruiting if he came out and said, "I don't really like having players for only one year and I'm able to develop much closer relationships with guys that stay 3-4 years, but it is what it is." I agree that he'd rather have them for one year than not at all though. And he's done a good job of adapting to it. But you're a damn fool if you think K would prefer the current OAD culture to the days when players stayed 3-4 years. That just goes against all logic. It makes his job harder. Why on earth would he want it that way? I don't need to be tapped into anything to make that statement. It's absurd that you're arguing this point.
Even you have to be tiring of that line. Do the mods here hand out "poast sheets" like they do at your games to make sure y'all say the same lame sh*t?
Well, that's good because that's exactly what I'm chalking it up to.
Last time I checked, they weren't up for the same job. So, no, it's not a choice. You have yours, and we have ours. And whether we all like it or not, that's the way it is. But don't cry for me or Roy. We're doing fine.
Great. You should be happy with that. You'd think fans of a program that has accomplished so much wouldn't feel the need to prop themselves up as much as y'all do. Sometimes I wonder if I stumbled onto Rupp Rafters with all the insecurity around here. But you keep being you. And we'll do our best not to be embarrassed by our coach that's won a measly 800 games and only 2 national championships.