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But I've said time and again, it's not a fall off. Not yet at least. We always have guys like Justin Watts, Mike Copeland, Byron Sanders, Jackson Simmons, Wes Miller, Stillman White, and the list goes on. So Platek is in that mold. He's a better player than all of those guys (at least rankings wise) but this isn't odd for Roy. As I'm sure all of you will be quick to point out, all of those players I named were part of classes that had way better talent. And I think UNC fans are assuming that will be the case for the 2017 recruiting class. We already have a borderline 5 star (IMO, Felton will be a 5 star in final rankings) and we're sitting nicely with a few other 5 stars and some highly ranked 4 stars (Knox, Bamba, Washington, Randolph, Weatherspoon). But as I stated in another thread, I did a breakdown of Roy's recruiting since coming back to CH and he's never been quite the recruiter that legend has it. His recruiting greatness was exaggerated by the monster 2006 class we signed and it kind of grew from there. But this is the Roy norm.
Old gary trying to rationalize why Platek naked so low and that he is an absolute steal. Lol. First post is from gunslingerrichard:
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I'm not saying you're wrong because I don't know enough about the kid to really have an opinion. But if I recall correctly, Bobby was ranked in the 30s or 40s. Platek is ranked between 175 and 200. That's a giant leap. So if he's a better shooter than Bobby and he's as athletic as Bobby, then why on God's green earth is he ranked so low? Not ever class is created the same. I get that. But I think it's logical to say that a guy ranked around 200 in any class is not the same talent as a guy ranked in the 40s of any class. And sure, he'll probably rise in the rankings. But even if he were to be ranked at 100 or higher, the question remains.
I'm glad we got a commitment. But IMO, this kind of kid should round out a recruiting class. Not be a priority. If he can turn into Wes Miller 2.0, I'll be content.
"Quick answer? Profile.
Bobby was a coach's kid (who was advanced skill-wise early on) from Chicago who made his mark pretty early.in the process and got himself known by the analysts. He was seen as a can't-miss prospect because of his head, his versatility (true Combo) and his athleticism and was also considered to be a potential knock-down shooter. As the late Skip Proesser famously lamented when Roy got him, "Everybody wanted Frasor". Bobby showed how good he was by starting at PG from Day-1 here and doing it very well. His stroke though didn't improve as I hoped --- it was too long and somewhat inconsistent..
By contrast, Andrew as I understand it bounced around under the radar as just a high-volume shooter. But as he rounded his game and got some local notice IIRC he reclassified back to go to a higher-profile private school and prove he wasn't a one-trick pony. Unlike Bobby, he had to fight for profile in other words, and leading his very under-manned AAU team to qualify for Peach Jam was a feat in itself. Worked though --- caught Roy's eye.
Caution: Do not, I repeat do NOT stereotype him. Don't compare him to Wes. Don't get me wrong --- I loved Wes. He was undersized-but-cat-quick, a tenacious defender and could shoot from Greensboro. But as Clint said, Andrew has good size (actually may be more 6'4 than 6'3), is sturdily built with a decent vertical and strong enough to get on the boards from the 2 hole. I'm a hard sell and it took all of three minutes watching live for me to see what Roy apparently saw. Has Bobby-like size and athleticism, is Ellington-like smooth in his movements, has Berry-like court-awareness. What really impressed me as a coach was his vision and anticipation. As an AAU coach friend put it, "his shoulders are already square by the time the ball gets to him". And in a game I watched in Atlanta when his team's second best player who was playing Point went down, Andrew stepped in and ran Point flawlessly --- much better than the other guy actually.
We got a steal here, Dick, and a great fit for our needs. Now let's go get a Biggun or two...
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I'm not saying you're wrong because I don't know enough about the kid to really have an opinion. But if I recall correctly, Bobby was ranked in the 30s or 40s. Platek is ranked between 175 and 200. That's a giant leap. So if he's a better shooter than Bobby and he's as athletic as Bobby, then why on God's green earth is he ranked so low? Not ever class is created the same. I get that. But I think it's logical to say that a guy ranked around 200 in any class is not the same talent as a guy ranked in the 40s of any class. And sure, he'll probably rise in the rankings. But even if he were to be ranked at 100 or higher, the question remains.
I'm glad we got a commitment. But IMO, this kind of kid should round out a recruiting class. Not be a priority. If he can turn into Wes Miller 2.0, I'll be content.
"Quick answer? Profile.
Bobby was a coach's kid (who was advanced skill-wise early on) from Chicago who made his mark pretty early.in the process and got himself known by the analysts. He was seen as a can't-miss prospect because of his head, his versatility (true Combo) and his athleticism and was also considered to be a potential knock-down shooter. As the late Skip Proesser famously lamented when Roy got him, "Everybody wanted Frasor". Bobby showed how good he was by starting at PG from Day-1 here and doing it very well. His stroke though didn't improve as I hoped --- it was too long and somewhat inconsistent..
By contrast, Andrew as I understand it bounced around under the radar as just a high-volume shooter. But as he rounded his game and got some local notice IIRC he reclassified back to go to a higher-profile private school and prove he wasn't a one-trick pony. Unlike Bobby, he had to fight for profile in other words, and leading his very under-manned AAU team to qualify for Peach Jam was a feat in itself. Worked though --- caught Roy's eye.
Caution: Do not, I repeat do NOT stereotype him. Don't compare him to Wes. Don't get me wrong --- I loved Wes. He was undersized-but-cat-quick, a tenacious defender and could shoot from Greensboro. But as Clint said, Andrew has good size (actually may be more 6'4 than 6'3), is sturdily built with a decent vertical and strong enough to get on the boards from the 2 hole. I'm a hard sell and it took all of three minutes watching live for me to see what Roy apparently saw. Has Bobby-like size and athleticism, is Ellington-like smooth in his movements, has Berry-like court-awareness. What really impressed me as a coach was his vision and anticipation. As an AAU coach friend put it, "his shoulders are already square by the time the ball gets to him". And in a game I watched in Atlanta when his team's second best player who was playing Point went down, Andrew stepped in and ran Point flawlessly --- much better than the other guy actually.
We got a steal here, Dick, and a great fit for our needs. Now let's go get a Biggun or two...
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You guys are sitting nicely for Bamaba and Knox, huh? Suuuurree you are.... Washington is going to UK or Texas, btw.
Ummm news flash. Neither Bamba nor Knox are NOT going to unx. I know they could go and flourish under Roy's "system", but I don't think that is their plan.
OFC
It's not nice to crush someone's dreams, haha...perhaps in this case, delusions
That's a double negative (might even be a triple). So does that mean you think those guys will end up at Carolina?
OFC
Damn my mistake. How ironic though getting a grammar lesson from a unx fan. I'll try to do better in any future posts. Did I spell post correctly?
thr has a thread going on about platek, The longer the thread gets the better platek gets. If that sucker goes 2 or 3 more pages michael jordan will have to take a back seat to him. OFC
OFCThe future is indeed bright over there with the likes of Platek and big Luke Maye.thr has a thread going on about platek, The longer the thread gets the better platek gets. If that sucker goes 2 or 3 more pages michael jordan will have to take a back seat to him.
OFC
Luke Maye as a junior will be better for UNC than Giles as sophomore will be for duke.
I see what he did there...unless Maye averages negative numbers during his time as a junior
I see what you are getting at there, but the recruiting cachet Duke will get from Giles being another successful pro will be more impactful for Duke basketball than Maye will ever be for UNC basketball.
Maybe so. But Giles will never be a sophomore. So my statement is still accurate. And it was just kind of a joke anyway.
Ha Haa, that's the spirit! Good for you, Richard!
Did Maye and Giles just get compared?????
I understand what he did too, and I'm also joking. The joke is that unc is a worse team with him on the court.
This has probably already been said but does it not seem that almost every recruit that the Tar Turds get is a steal, is highly under ranked, will be moving up in the rankings or is just hiding under the radar. Almost all of them. What homers they are at UNC. Its stomach turning isn't it.
carolinablue34:
"Aren't Randolph, a guy who's pretty high on us, and Bamba pretty close? If we get him that could help.
Christ, imagine of Duke got Carter, Bamba, Knox, Green, and Trent. For the love of all that's good and holy that cannot happen."
Lord please let this happen!!
"Aren't Randolph, a guy who's pretty high on us, and Bamba pretty close? If we get him that could help.
Christ, imagine of Duke got Carter, Bamba, Knox, Green, and Trent. For the love of all that's good and holy that cannot happen."
Lord please let this happen!!
Some newbie dork over there that goes by Ned Cota. He is receiving all kinds of cyber high fives from the other nerds. I see he has already picked up Archer's LOM (Leader of Men) thing as a way of disrespecting K. What tools over there.
"Thanks trabuch. Barf. Why do these teenagers think they can learn anything from the LOM? Really just don't get what anyone sees in your coach or institution and I feel bad for those kids who will be brainwashed into flopping, literally and figuratively. Thanks for your updates on dook aspirations."
"Thanks trabuch. Barf. Why do these teenagers think they can learn anything from the LOM? Really just don't get what anyone sees in your coach or institution and I feel bad for those kids who will be brainwashed into flopping, literally and figuratively. Thanks for your updates on dook aspirations."
“Playing one year under Coach K feels like three years. I learned so much from him.”
-- Brandon Ingram, #2 draft pick
Stilman White- desperate attempt for a backup PG once Larry Drew left
Jacksons Simmons- committed as a preferred walk-on.
Justin Watts - signed in May
Byron Sanders- signed in desperation for frontcourt depth. Sanders came in 03. UNC had May, Jawad Williams and maybe you can call David Noel as a big man.
Mike Copeland- see above. Only big men before his commitment, were Hansbrough and Sanders. Reyshawn Terry and David Noel would probably be adequate at the 4, though. Copeland signed super late, almost around the time of the fall semester IIRC.
The difference is Platek is not filling out UNC's roster, he is committing more than a year before his freshman year begins.
You are mistaken in your characterization. Nerds are smart.
Cyber high five from BillyL to "Ned Cota":
Yep . . I gotta tell ya, Ned Cota is quickly becoming one of my favorites on this board . .
Yep . . I gotta tell ya, Ned Cota is quickly becoming one of my favorites on this board . .
Apparently those that believe that Coach K doesn't know anything, haven't seen the dudes resume. On top if that, maybe they should ask some of the games best players on the pro level what they thing about Coach K.. Or how about how much our national team thinks about coach K to have him as coach for 10 years. Sometimes the facts are as clear as day, and you just have to accept them as the true reality.
Agreed. What an absolutely stupid position to take. For as much grief as we give Roy Williams over here, none of us is dumb enough to say half that crap about him.
We poke fun at Roy, and we should. He is our rival coach, but for any one of us to say that the guy is not a great coach and a leader that is clearly respected by almost all of his former players, is ridiculous. Just like what the ignorant people over there who refuse to see that a guy with 1K wins, five natty's, a ton of millionaires playing hoops that he helped get there, ect..., ect... is even more ridiculous.
So you have less of a problem with us signing him and more of a problem with when we signed our recruit? That makes sense. I analyze the recruiting timeline for other schools' programs all the time.
Also wishing hof coach roy williams to a speedy and full recovery after his knee surgery. Here's hoping he's fully recovered and good to go come season time. An ice cold Coke and a bowl full of Wanda's "nanner puddin" each day is recommended. OFC
The response is that K is just evil and is somehow forcing his way there, not that anyone actually wants him there.