Feds aim to make the border wall 30' high

WVPATX

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I'm curious, are you really as stupid as you act? You still think we are going to make Mexico pay for the wall?

Payment for the wall will be borne by Mexico, one way or another. It may take the form of a tariff on some goods. It may take the form of taxing monies sent home by illegal aliens (they send home roughly $28B per year). Many, many options.

And have you ever heard of the phrase "the pot calling the kettle black?" LOL.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I'm curious, are you really as stupid as you act? You still think we are going to make Mexico pay for the wall?
Do I think they are going to cut us a check? No. I never believed that. I think it's funny and very revealing that you did though. Do I think it's fairly simple to have it paid for by Mexico through 100s if not 1000s of different avenues? Yes. Will we end up recouping the cost from those measures? Yes.

It's really hard for me to accurately answer your question because I don't think you even know what you're asking. It's clear you and a couple of others are ignorant for political expediency or just truly incapable of understanding financial dynamics. In short, I really do think you are of as simple intellect as you display to be on a daily basis. This goes beyond differences of political idealism, I think you have a very narrow and limited understanding beyond what you are told to think and feel. You conduct little analysis or application of individualality. You are well read, but you take what you read by those you think of superior intellect and revere, and parrot them as absolute truth. I've yet to see an original idea from you. Even board smack talk, you regurgitate what others have used on you. It really is quite amusing to watch. You are basically a better read yet leftist version of Bob. A drone for your side of the political sport.
 
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I think you have a very narrow and limited understanding beyond what you are told to think and feel.

That is hilarious coming from a guy with no college education, who still thinks Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

You also claim to not be a Trump supporter but defend him at every turn. You aren't even a good liar.

You can think whatever you want about me; if it makes you feel better about yourself, more power to you.
 

mneilmont

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That is hilarious coming from a guy with no college education, who still thinks Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

You also claim to not be a Trump supporter but defend him at every turn. You aren't even a good liar.

You can think whatever you want about me; if it makes you feel better about yourself, more power to you.
You certainly do not have the capacity to ever be relied on to be a leader and offer an original thought. You have never done anything beyond repeat what another (your side) has previously uttered. Even your opponents words are repeated when you attempt to be critical of their thoughts.
 

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That is hilarious coming from a guy with no college education, who still thinks Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

You also claim to not be a Trump supporter but defend him at every turn. You aren't even a good liar.

You can think whatever you want about me; if it makes you feel better about yourself, more power to you.
It is funny that you would try to belittle someone for not having a college education because there are few on here dumber than you. No college will want to admit that you hold their degree.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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That is hilarious coming from a guy with no college education, who still thinks Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

You also claim to not be a Trump supporter but defend him at every turn. You aren't even a good liar.

You can think whatever you want about me; if it makes you feel better about yourself, more power to you.
Your failure to comprehend my condemnation of the New Democratic Party idea of globalization, identity politics, and victimization does not constitute my being a Trump supporter.

Where do you get that I don't have a college education? Because I went into the Marine Corps right out of high school? I guess you fail to understand the concept of a non-traditional student. JFC, WVU has online degree programs for undergrad and an Executive MBA program all online. What a dunsky.
 

mneilmont

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It is funny that you would try to belittle someone for not having a college education because there are few on here dumber than you. No college will want to admit that you hold their degree.
It is funny that you would try to belittle someone for not having a college education because there are few on here dumber than you. No college will want to admit that you hold their degree.
I am reminded of something I passed on after President made his address to Congress. Someone critiquing his speech made a point that he never used "I". He always worded his thoughts using "you" instead of "I". That is something I learned in Business English at WVU. Instructor told us it is more important to have "you" as center of the communication. The customer is not interested in what "I" can get out of the communication.. I told Triple-prick that during an argument, and he, and the White castle, and Cuntryboy picked it up as the three of them implied/argued that I was without a WVU degree.

Now Cuntry, on his own, criticizing someone else of not having an education. I was unaware that the Dog is without college. If he is it just goes to show a college degree is no better than the man who has it. Dog has proven that his "School of Hard Knocks" have functionally placed himself above most on here who have college education. He is outstanding communicator and appears to have a great deal more expertise in the subject matter than most without regard to the subject. He sells himself as better traveled than any of us. Cuntryboy, you would definitely be ahead of the exchanges if you would keep quiet about exposing yourself to the discussions which you are not versed in.
 

WVPATX

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That is hilarious coming from a guy with no college education, who still thinks Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

You also claim to not be a Trump supporter but defend him at every turn. You aren't even a good liar.

You can think whatever you want about me; if it makes you feel better about yourself, more power to you.

I'll tell you what buddy. I have read both your posts (yours and DvlDogs) over quite some time. I don't know his background, but he is infinitely more intelligent than you with or without a degree. My father was a high school drop out in 1932 to help the family during the depression. And I can assure you, he was much more intelligent than you. So well read. And his experience fighting in the Philippines gave him extraordinary skills.

BTW, Bill Gates never graduated from college.
 

WVPATX

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Your failure to comprehend my condemnation of the New Democratic Party idea of globalization, identity politics, and victimization does not constitute my being a Trump supporter.

Where do you get that I don't have a college education? Because I went into the Marine Corps right out of high school? I guess you fail to understand the concept of a non-traditional student. JFC, WVU has online degree programs for undergrad and an Executive MBA program all online. What a dunsky.

My nephew received two graduate degrees while serving.
 

D. Denzil Finney

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I'm curious, do you really not understand how this is possible? Or did you really think it was as simple as they would fund it all upfront?

Won't they build it with appropriated dollars?
I'm curious, do you really not understand how this is possible? Or did you really think it was as simple as they would fund it all upfront?

DD4WVU, I believe that the wall has to be built under contract using the FAR as a guide. Aren't Government Contracts still limited to be paid using appropriations authorized by Congress? A large portion o appropriated dollars come via Federal Income Taxes paid by Inddividuals and by businesses.

I have a hard time believing that any portion of my tax dollars will be refunded to me when repayment dollars occur. I might be wrong but just sayin.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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My nephew received two graduate degrees while serving.
They have college classes you can take on literally every base we have people. You can take classes while in AFG and Iraq online. Most Universities will give you in-state status for being a veteran or actively a contractor. They literally advertise degree programs on armed forces network with reputable Universities.

I never responded to this previously, I thought it was evident I had a degree, but Simple Jack has said it about 5 times now.
 

WVPATX

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Won't they build it with appropriated dollars?


DD4WVU, I believe that the wall has to be built under contract using the FAR as a guide. Aren't Government Contracts still limited to be paid using appropriations authorized by Congress? A large portion o appropriated dollars come via Federal Income Taxes paid by Inddividuals and by businesses.

I have a hard time believing that any portion of my tax dollars will be refunded to me when repayment dollars occur. I might be wrong but just sayin.

Let me lay out a quite plausible scenario or two. Trump places an import fee on certain goods imported from Mexico. That money goes to our Treasury to fund the wall. Or he places a tax on money sent out of the U.S. to Mexico of say 10%. That would equal $2.8B per year again going to our Treasury to help pay for the wall.

U.S. taxpayers spend money from the Treasury to pay for the wall. U.S. Treasury receives money per the above to recoup that expenditure.
 

D. Denzil Finney

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My nephew received two graduate degrees while serving.
Your failure to comprehend my condemnation of the New Democratic Party idea of globalization, identity politics, and victimization does not constitute my being a Trump supporter.

Where do you get that I don't have a college education? Because I went into the Marine Corps right out of high school? I guess you fail to understand the concept of a non-traditional student. JFC, WVU has online degree programs for undergrad and an Executive MBA program all online. What a dunsky.

You are not alone in working for and getting your degree via Military. A tough row to hoe, but worth it.
 

D. Denzil Finney

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Let me lay out a quite plausible scenario or two. Trump places an import fee on certain goods imported from Mexico. That money goes to our Treasury to fund the wall. Or he places a tax on money sent out of the U.S. to Mexico of say 10%. That would equal $2.8B per year again going to our Treasury to help pay for the wall.

U.S. taxpayers spend money from the Treasury to pay for the wall. U.S. Treasury receives money per the above to recoup that expenditure.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Won't they build it with appropriated dollars?


DD4WVU, I believe that the wall has to be built under contract using the FAR as a guide. Aren't Government Contracts still limited to be paid using appropriations authorized by Congress? A large portion o appropriated dollars come via Federal Income Taxes paid by Inddividuals and by businesses.

I have a hard time believing that any portion of my tax dollars will be refunded to me when repayment dollars occur. I might be wrong but just sayin.
I haven't checked to see if it was going to be FAR 12 or FAR 15 acquisition requirements. If it's FAR 15, anything over $700k proposed will require CCPD and Assist Audits from DCMA/DCAA and obviously always have the TINA requirements. The legislation was already passed under W to allow work to be started on it.

I'm just not sure how anyone with any knowledge of Gov't contracting could believe Mexico paying for the wall meant they were going to write us a check which is how it's being portrayed by the left. It just proves how simple and lacking in finance the Left really is.
 

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you libtards need to understand that illegal Mexicans send $25B BACK TO MEXICO EVERY YEAR ?

obamapuppet let $200B go South in his 8 wasted years...

A LOT of this $$$ IS NOT TAXED...


http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...the-u-s-are-sending-home-more-money-than-ever

These annual "remittances" — as they're called by analysts — topped $69 billion in 2016, according to central bank data compiled in anew report by the Inter-American Dialogue, a Washington, D.C.-based think-tank.

About 40 percent of the money goes to just one country — Mexico — practically all of it sent by migrants in the United States. The recent surge is all the more notable because migration from Mexico has slowed to a crawl — with the number of migrants in the U.S. increasing by just 1 percent between 2010 and 2016 to a total of 11.8 million. Also, says Orozco, the median amount that any given Mexican migrant sends hasn't changed — about $300 at a go, 14 times a year, most commonly through a money transfer company such as Western Union.

The growing importance of remittances is particularly significant in light of proposals that President Trump has floated to confiscate or otherwise target this flow in order to pressure Mexico into paying for an expansion of the border wall.
During the campaign, Trump discussed various versions of the idea — including some that could potentially impact remittances to all countries, not just those to Mexico. As much as such a move would affect Mexico — for which remittances account for just over 2 percent of GDP — the ramifications could actually be greatest for the region's poorest, most violence-prone countries. Remittances make up nearly 20 percent of GDP for Honduras and El Salvador, for instance. And in the case of Haiti they account for one-fourth.
 

D. Denzil Finney

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Unless laws have changed, Government Contracts must be awarded and paid via Appropriated Funds. Appropriated funds do come from taxpayers and other taxable sources. Repayments received from others are not appropriated dollars and are considered discresionary. I don't believe I will get any of my taxes paid to build the wall by way of refunds from the discretionary funds. The government will but we the people will not.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Unless laws have changed, Government Contracts must be awarded and paid via Appropriated Funds. Appropriated funds do come from taxpayers and other taxable sources. Repayments received from others are not appropriated dollars and are considered discresionary. I don't believe I will get any of my taxes paid to build the wall by way of refunds from the discretionary funds. The government will but we the people will not.
True statement.
 

WVPATX

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Unless laws have changed, Government Contracts must be awarded and paid via Appropriated Funds. Appropriated funds do come from taxpayers and other taxable sources. Repayments received from others are not appropriated dollars and are considered discresionary. I don't believe I will get any of my taxes paid to build the wall by way of refunds from the discretionary funds. The government will but we the people will not.

That's true, but again, the funds to build it come from the Treasury and the funds to pay for it go into the Treasury. If the money is borrowed, as is likely, then the taxpayer is unaffected monetarily.
 

D. Denzil Finney

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I haven't checked to see if it was going to be FAR 12 or FAR 15 acquisition requirements. If it's FAR 15, anything over $700k proposed will require CCPD and Assist Audits from DCMA/DCAA and obviously always have the TINA requirements. The legislation was already passed under W to allow work to be started on it.

I'm just not sure how anyone with any knowledge of Gov't contracting could believe Mexico paying for the wall meant they were going to write us a check which is how it's being portrayed by the left. It just proves how simple and lacking in finance the Left really is.

Yes the legislation was passed and was used to some extent during Bush's tenure. I really don't think that contract is still open. Regardless our tax dollars will fund the wall as they are the source of the appropriation. Regardless of how repayment is made the American Taxpayer will not be given a refund from the payment. And yes I do have knowledge of Government Contracting although it is dated as I retired 31 Dec 2001.
 

D. Denzil Finney

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That's true, but again, the funds to build it come from the Treasury and the funds to pay for it go into the Treasury. If the money is borrowed, as is likely, then the taxpayer is unaffected monetarily.

My point is you can' have it built with nonappropriated dollars. That is law. Appropriated dollars are generated through Individual and Business income tax payments. Any of those tax dollars applicable to your income or my income will not be seen by us.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Yes the legislation was passed and was used to some extent during Bush's tenure. I really don't think that contract is still open. Regardless our tax dollars will fund the wall as they are the source of the appropriation. Regardless of how repayment is made the American Taxpayer will not be given a refund from the payment. And yes I do have knowledge of Government Contracting although it is dated as I retired 31 Dec 2001.
Some changes came about since then, but it's clear it's not foreign to you. It really got into more scrutiny of financial solvency, ability to comply and possess established financial controls/processes, and a financial "system".

The American taxpayer has no input into tax expenditures outside of elections. You think I like paying for some of the left's pet projects? Not at all. I know I'm not getting a refund. It's up to the discretion of our elected body to spend our money wisely or unwisely. Let's not pretend this is any different and the argument about ability to recover taxes spent is not applicable.
 

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My point is you can' have it built with nonappropriated dollars. That is law. Appropriated dollars are generated through Individual and Business income tax payments. Any of those tax dollars applicable to your income or my income will not be seen by us.

We have a tremendous amount of appropriated dollars that are borrowed. You nor I have any idea which dollars will pay for that wall, taxpayer revenues or bond sales dollars. If the Treasury is resupplied with money, then the country breaks even. You're using semantics as if Fed dollars spent are ever returned to your pocket.

However, when Trump's tax cuts are passed, you will get more money in your pocket.
 

D. Denzil Finney

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We have a tremendous amount of appropriated dollars that are borrowed. You nor I have any idea which dollars will pay for that wall, taxpayer or bond sales dollars. If the Treasury is resupplied with money, then the country breaks even. You're using semantics as if Fed dollars spent are ever returned to your pocket.

However, when Trump's tax cuts are passed, you will get more money in your pocket.
If / When Trump's Tax Cuts are passed they most likely will be applicable to future years and not for the years they were paid. You should know that future dollars are not worth as much as previous dollars.
 

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If / When Trump's Tax Cuts are passed they most likely will be applicable to future years and not for the years they were paid. You should know that future dollars are not worth as much as previous dollars.

His tax cuts will be retroactive to January, 2017. Your logic is flawed. Regardless of when the tax cuts happen (Jan. 2017 or 2018)it will put money in your pocket. The money in 2018 may be worth a little less as inflation is running around 2%, but I suspect you will still keep that money, right?

BTW, the Dems can't stop the tax cuts. They will happen.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tax-cuts-gop-us-congress-2016-12
 
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D. Denzil Finney

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Some changes came about since then, but it's clear it's not foreign to you. It really got into more scrutiny of financial solvency, ability to comply and possess established financial controls/processes, and a financial "system".

The American taxpayer has no input into tax expenditures outside of elections. You think I like paying for some of the left's pet projects? Not at all. I know I'm not getting a refund. It's up to the discretion of our elected body to spend our money wisely or unwisely. Let's not pretend this is any different and the argument about ability to recover taxes spent is not applicable.

That is where my position stands we (the taxpayers) are/will be spending money for the wall. Maybe the argument is not applicable . . . but I know it will never happen.
 

D. Denzil Finney

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His tax cuts will be retroactive to January, 2017. Your logic is flawed. Regardless of when the tax cuts happen (Jan. 2017 or 2018)it will put money in your pocket. The money in 2018 may be worth a little less as inflation is running around 2%, but I suspect you will still keep that money, right?

BTW, the Dems can't stop the tax cuts. They will happen.

You are wandering again . . . how in the bloody blue hell did Dems stopping the tax cut come into the conversation. RTFP, don't read anything into it, don't read anything out of it. Just RTFP.
 

WVPATX

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You are wandering again . . . how in the bloody blue hell did Dems stopping the tax cut come into the conversation. RTFP, don't read anything into it, don't read anything out of it. Just RTFP.

Very short memory on your part:

You posted:

"If / When Trump's Tax Cuts are passed"

You posted that the revenues from Mexico won't put money in our pockets (true). I posted that when the tax cuts are passed, you will get money in your pocket. Can't believe you forgot these posts from just a few minutes ago.
 

D. Denzil Finney

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Very short memory on your part:

You posted:

"If / When Trump's Tax Cuts are passed"

You posted that the revenues from Mexico won't put money in our pockets (true). I posted that when the tax cuts are passed, you will get money in your pocket. Can't believe you forgot these posts from just a few minutes ago.
 

D. Denzil Finney

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Excuse me I made a non-committal statement using if or when. Meaning if they pass or when the pass; how does that say anything about Dems stopping the tax cuts.

I will say again "Read the Fvcking Problem", don't read anything into it; Don't read anything out of it, just "Read the Fvcking Problem.
 

WVPATX

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Excuse me I made a non-committal statement using if or when. Meaning if they pass or when the pass; how does that say anything about Dems stopping the tax cuts.

I will say again "Read the Fvcking Problem", don't read anything into it; Don't read anything out of it, just "Read the Fvcking Problem.

Use of the word IF, means it is not a certainty. Meaning that it may not happen. I was correcting your mistake and posted a link describing how it will be accomplished without a single Dem vote. Not sure why you're so angry, you're the one that forgot about your post regarding tax cuts.
 

D. Denzil Finney

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Use of the word IF, means it is not a certainty. Meaning that it may not happen. I was correcting your mistake and posted a link describing how it will be accomplished without a single Dem vote. Not sure why you're so angry, you're the one that forgot about your post regarding tax cuts.

You want to play word games; ok. "When" is a word that means an undetermined time, could be tomorrow, could be next week, next year, next 10 years or never. Using when equates to a undetermined point in time and does not provide certainty.

I wasn't using if / when in the manner you accused me of and I believe you know that. I told you long before the election I did not like either candidate - Mr Trump was elected and I have accepted that. I will support him because he is the President--that is the way the system works.

Just because you think one way and I think another does not make either of us wrong.
You have, for quite a while, vilified people because the don't think the way you do. They are
allowed their thoughts and you are allowed yours. Why not just say o.k. and leave it at that?
 

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You want to play word games; ok. "When" is a word that means an undetermined time, could be tomorrow, could be next week, next year, next 10 years or never. Using when equates to a undetermined point in time and does not provide certainty.

I wasn't using if / when in the manner you accused me of and I believe you know that. I told you long before the election I did not like either candidate - Mr Trump was elected and I have accepted that. I will support him because he is the President--that is the way the system works.

Just because you think one way and I think another does not make either of us wrong.
You have, for quite a while, vilified people because the don't think the way you do. They are
allowed their thoughts and you are allowed yours. Why not just say o.k. and leave it at that?

I am not playing word games. I said there would be a tax cut that would put money in your pocket. You claimed that it may or may not happen. I said that it would and provided proof the GOP doesn't need a single Democratic vote.

Then you go off and told me I was going off on a tangent by talking about taxes even though we had discussed that issue in two posts.

BTW, when is a question of time not of uncertainty like the word if.

Show me where in this post I have vilified you?