Feel good basketball post..

57stratdawg

Heisman
Dec 1, 2004
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Arnette Moultrie is 4th in the SEC in ppg, 1st in rebounds, and 1st in double/doubles.

Dee Bost is 3rd in ppg and 1st in steals.

If we squeak out a win against Akron we're a top 10 team right now.

One down side, we have 3 guys in the top 5 in minutes played per game (Bost, Moultrie, and Hood). Sidney has to start staying on the court. It would help get him in shape and cut down on Moultrie's minutes.
 

57stratdawg

Heisman
Dec 1, 2004
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Arnette Moultrie is 4th in the SEC in ppg, 1st in rebounds, and 1st in double/doubles.

Dee Bost is 3rd in ppg and 1st in steals.

If we squeak out a win against Akron we're a top 10 team right now.

One down side, we have 3 guys in the top 5 in minutes played per game (Bost, Moultrie, and Hood). Sidney has to start staying on the court. It would help get him in shape and cut down on Moultrie's minutes.
 

drt7891

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Dec 6, 2010
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Wendell is being far more productive than Sidney because he works on defense. I wish we could get him involved in our offense more, but he works hard on the defensive end and on the boards. He and Hood are tied for number of rebounds for second best on the team while Hood has more than 100 more minutes played. If this were any other situation other than the one Sidney is in, Sidney would not be starting. He's so hit and miss in the minutes he does get, I don't know if he'll ever get more than he does now.
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
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he's at least as good as the hype. He is a freaking beast. And I've been saying all along that Bost is the best PG we've ever had. I don't think we're going see any more minutes from Sidney. So far, he's a wasted scholarship. He looks like he's giving a little more effort than last year, but his production is way down. Right now, were just as well off with Wendell Lewis in the game as we are with Sidney.
 

57stratdawg

Heisman
Dec 1, 2004
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If we really want this team to do something special (regular season SEC championship, Sweet Sixteen, etc) Sidney has to step up.
 

DawgatAuburn

All-Conference
Apr 25, 2006
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They are both averaging about 22 minutes a game, but Wendell played close to 30 minutes a game when Sid was out.
 

drt7891

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Dec 6, 2010
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and I completely agree. Problem is we have a pre-madonna that only wants the satisfaction of people telling him he is good. No one is gonna give him any credit until he steps up and earns it. I hate to see a big man that came with so much hype be our teams 7th best scorer and 6th best rebounder... behind 4 guards. Pretty pathetic for a very physical big man that was supposed to be "the difference."
 

drt7891

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our big man had 8 (4 of which were free throws late in the game) points and only 3 rebounds. His rebounding isn't even close to Hood, Bost, or Lewis... Not to mention Moultrie. Moultrie has 78... Hood has 47... Sidney only has 21.. and Moultrie sat out those same games Sidney did.
 

Hump4Hoops

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May 1, 2010
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we're one of the teams he wouldn't even have as top 25. There's quite a few who voted that way too. Who knows if beating Arkon would have really changed things that much.
 

thf24

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Jan 28, 2011
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I remember looking at his UTEP stats and thinking "eh" after seeing 10 ppg and 59% free throw shooting. Amazing what he's turned into. Too bad this is the only year we'll have him, he's going to be a lottery pick next year.
 

basedog

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May 29, 2008
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Not only a beast but the most athletic big man we may have ever had. Sidney is only gonna play hard a few minutes at a time and I think he would be better coming off the bench.
 

8dog

All-American
Feb 23, 2008
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done anything yet to show they are good wins and that's all he's looking at. Sad that he won't use the eye test.
 

DawgatAuburn

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Apr 25, 2006
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There are only five voters who have us unranked. The teams they have in front of us are comical. One of them also has Alabama unranked.
 

Seinfeld

All-American
Nov 30, 2006
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but does it seem to anyone else like he's almost just accepted a position as a role player. It's really strange when you compare his play last year to this season. Last year, he constantly wanted the ball and he clearly thought he was the best player on the floor. This year, he seems to be content with simply contributing. It's a shame since he could be so much more but I guess I'm happy that if there are better players on the floor, at least he's acknowledging that.
 

captaindawg

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Feb 23, 2008
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made the West Virginia big man look silly on a couple of the spin moves late in the game. The guy knew what was coming but couldn't do anything about it.
 

AssEndDawg

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Aug 1, 2007
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and you know that drives Stans crazy. Even if you aren't in good enough shape to stay in the game long you have to come in and battle on the boards until you a wiped out. Our "philosophy" (if we have one)is built around points off the break coming from good rebounds. With Sidney in the game you have our best scoring threat also trying to carry the load on the boards. He's got to step it up under the basket.
 

rem101

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Jan 22, 2008
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He has always played a lot, and seems to be fine. He just doesn't seem he gets tired to me. Hopefully that won't change towards March. But also by March, Deville may be really good and can play more in crucial parts if Bost has to sit. I think we have some good depth at the guard positions.

The big men could be a different story.
 

fishwater99

Freshman
Jun 4, 2007
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With that Big Body of his it should be easy to grab 10 boards a game. What the hell has he been working on with Lucas and in practice?
We really need the RSS to step it up, especially when Moultrie is on the bench. Lewis just can't score on offense and has horrible hands.
 

lawdawg02

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Jan 23, 2007
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It's probably not his fault, either.

He absolutely knows how to score. He absolutely knows how to make a great pass. There's no denying those things - he has done those since day 1.

But those are the things that will get him on the highlight reel. And that's all he has ever been concerned with. Of course, he has been taught by his "handlers" and AAU that that's what basketball is all about. It's simply not.

Basketball is a team sport. Sometimes, you have to simply set a screen for your teammate, with nothing in return. Sometimes, you have to block a guy out so that your teammate, not you, can grab a rebound. When you miss a shot, you have to get your *** back on defense, so that your team doesn't give up a layup on the other end. Sometimes, you have to help on defense when your teammate has been beaten. Sidney still has a long way to go with some of those things.

You're right, Sidney has shown signs this year of improvement. I think a lot of that is probably attributable to playing alongside Moultrie and Lewis - two guys who seem to get the concept. Bost seems to be leading this year, too. Sidney still doesn't have the conditioning, so he gets lazy and doesn't hustle, but he's coming along. Hopefully.
 

klerushund

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Sep 12, 2010
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...there were several people here telling me I was an idiot because I didn't think Sidney was a sure-fire NBA player. What happened? How can this great talent not be playing as much as Wendell Lewis? I mean, he trained with Lucas this summer! He's finally in shape. He's going to be a superstar. NBA scouts have to be drooling over a guy that can't even play to the next television timeout without sucking wind...<div>
</div><div>He's fat and lazy. He can't defend. He's got a mediocre post offense. End of story.Renardo Sidney is the most overrated player (in any sport) in MSU history.I dare you to name another bulldog who's had that kind of hype and produced so 17ing little.</div>
 

fishwater99

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Jun 4, 2007
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klerushund said:
...there were several people here telling me I was an idiot because I didn't think Sidney was a sure-fire NBA player. What happened? How can this great talent not be playing as much as Wendell Lewis? I mean, he trained with Lucas this summer! He's finally in shape. He's going to be a superstar. NBA scouts have to be drooling over a guy that can't even play to the next television timeout without sucking wind...<div>
</div><div>He's fat and lazy. He can't defend. <span style="font-weight: bold;">He's got a mediocre post offense.</span> End of story.Renardo Sidney is the most overrated player (in any sport) in MSU history.I dare you to name another bulldog who's had that kind of hype and produced so 17ing little.</div>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">You really think he has a mediocre post offense? Really?</span> I think he is great in the post on offense, it's all the other things that he doesn't do that holds him back along with being a lazy nacho eating fat-***.. Either Moultrie of the RSS will be able to beat their man on offense, teams will have to pick their poison this year...
 

perch0

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Oct 11, 2009
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lawdawg02 said:
It's probably not his fault, either.

He absolutely knows how to score. He absolutely knows how to make a great pass. There's no denying those things - he has done those since day 1.

But those are the things that will get him on the highlight reel. And that's all he has ever been concerned with. Of course, he has been taught by his "handlers" and AAU that that's what basketball is all about. It's simply not.

Basketball is a team sport. Sometimes, you have to simply set a screen for your teammate, with nothing in return. Sometimes, you have to block a guy out so that your teammate, not you, can grab a rebound. When you miss a shot, you have to get your *** back on defense, so that your team doesn't give up a layup on the other end. Sometimes, you have to help on defense when your teammate has been beaten. Sidney still has a long way to go with some of those things.

You're right, Sidney has shown signs this year of improvement. I think a lot of that is probably attributable to playing alongside Moultrie and Lewis - two guys who seem to get the concept. Bost seems to be leading this year, too. Sidney still doesn't have the conditioning, so he gets lazy and doesn't hustle, but he's coming along. Hopefully.
The very best post I have read about Sid. If he can learn a couple of those little things between now and March we will be very good and his score more also just from being in the rigtht place.
 

Dawg4Life

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Oct 13, 2010
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The best example of what Sidney ought to be doing is his own teammate. He needs to be trying to do everything Moultrie is doing but better. Run faster, rebound more, defend better, shoot high percentage shots better, play longer ... everything. Competing with Moultrie would be the best thing for him.

How are you going to be the number one draft pick when you're not even the best player on your team?
 

Shmuley

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Mar 6, 2008
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I'm selling out to stop Moultrie and I'm sticking my hack-a-shaq on Nard's fat *** with instructions to get Nard to throw a punch. There is no f'n way the nard can hold it together all season. No way. He will get his *** suspended again one way or the other, either through off the court ******** or through throwing a punch in a game. It's coming. If he won't throw punches then just go right at his lazy out of position *** and draw foul after foul until bury has to pull him.
 

lawdawg02

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Jan 23, 2007
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Have your big man sprint down the court on the first couple trips. Sidney will be so winded, that he'll be worthless til halftime. He'll pick up some laziness fouls too.
 

klerushund

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Sep 12, 2010
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...would have to be on the level of Tim 17ing Duncan to compensate for the areas where he is deficient (see: ALL OF THE OTHER AREAS).<div>
</div><div>I'm with Shmuley. It's probably killing the Nard that Moultrie is the toast of Stark Vegas while he's playing second fiddle to Wendell 17ing Lewis. A blow up is on it's way. When it comes it will only heighten the embarrassment of how many hoops the program jumped through so that we can trot him out to play three minutes at a time.</div><div>
</div><div>My point was that Sidney isn't even an all-SEC player but to hear some of the idiots on here you'd think he was sure-fire lottery pick.</div><div>
</div><div>Bottom line: If I told you you had to cut one of our starters for the rest of the year, is there any doubt that it'd be Sidney? Exactly. Most Overrated Bulldog Ever.</div>
 

KurtRambis4

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Aug 30, 2006
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[b said:
Shmuley[/b]]I'm selling out to stop Moultrie and I'm sticking my hack-a-shaq on Nard's fat *** with instructions to get Nard to throw a punch. There is no f'n way the nard can hold it together all season. No way. He will get his *** suspended again one way or the other, either through off the court ******** or through throwing a punch in a game. It's coming. If he won't throw punches then just go right at his lazy out of position *** and draw foul after foul until bury has to pull him.
For MSU's sake, Ihope he gets his **** together, but I just know he is going to do something dubm as hell at some point.He got fouled against WVU the other night atone point during the game, and it wasn't even a hard fould, and he looked at the WVU player like he was about to punch him. I was fully expecting a punch at that point. The first really hard foul he takes, he's going to punch someone, guaranteed.
 

maroonmania

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Feb 23, 2008
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bashing Sidney. Goodness knows he's had his problems and no he isn't maybe what we dreamed he might be in terms of a dominant college basketball player but he IS an important cog in this team and he is NOT a "wasted scholarship". We currently have 3 guys (Moultrie, Sidney and Lewis) to rotate between 2 post positions and losing ANY of the 3 really hurts what this team can do. We only play 8 players and the fact that we can interchange a lot of lineups using those 8 is one of the strengths of the team. But we really have no depth behind those 8 right now so we need to keep all of our guys, including Sidney, healthy and contributing. He deserved a lot of the bashing he got last year but so far this year he's being a contributing member of this team and good teammate without causing internal strife or out to try and be the "star" of the team and I actually think he's enjoying just being a member of a really good college basketball team. He is what he is at this point but we are certainly better with him on this team than without him so I wish our fans would just cut him some slack at this point.
 

prairiedawg

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Aug 1, 2012
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is because he has the potential to be the best player to ever put on an MSU uniform, and he has totally blown his chance to do so. It's all on him. I have stayed on the fence with the RSS until the WVU game. I decided I was going to watch him from warm ups thru the game concentrating on what he did. He took about 8-10 shots during warm ups and went and stood on the baseline with a towel around his neck and jawed with one of the officials. He just stood there while the rest of his team mates warmed up and got ready for a very big game.

Then the game starts, the 2nd trip up the court his man leaves him behind. The 2nd trip? That's not out of shape, that's just not having the mental focus. I really wish it wasn't this way, but he will never amount to anything near what he could be. It just isn't there. There will be flashes that will make the last most hopeful fan think he is going to finally become what he could be, but it will pass.

It doesn't matter if John Lucas slept with him in his little bed every night, he ain't gonna make it. It's time we move on as fans and focus on who we have that will make it and will put out the effort. Kind of makes me sad in a sports kind of way, but The RSS has nobody to blame when it's over but himself.
 

SallyStansbury

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Mar 3, 2008
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I called this months ago, so if we are going for obscure calls, there you go. Reasoning is that Coach Grant is the discipline figure on the team since Kirby is no longer with us. Skirmish will start on the court with Nardo bickering with opposing guy who dunks on him or whatever. Then after pushing shoving, Nardo gets T-d up, Grant rushes in to remove Nardo from the situation and Smack to the dome. The end, drama over.

I hope this doesn't end up like the article from National Geographic describing Hurricane Katrina prior to it actually hitting.

To balance this negative comment, I would like to give props to Coach Stans for figuring out (relatively quickly)that Nardo is good only for 3-3.5 min bursts at the start of the game and the start of the second half. We kick opposing team's asses with him in there as an offensive weapon and Coach Stans appears to have the rotation set up to get his *** out quickly before he hurts us. I am trying to recall how many minutes Nardo played in our loss? I think I was at that game and recall him being gased and giving a great deal of half assed effort? I know Moultrie and Bost both shot for **** in that game, but specifically how many min did Nardo play in that game? Dawg@auburn might be able to answer this one?