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esplanade91

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Those are not comparable at all. "Tebowing" was a spectacle. It's the same thing as teams doing a Ray Lewis dance when they scored on Baltimore. A gay hand gesture isn't appropriate. If Michael Sam has enough success to have a signature move, a flick of the wrist thing making fun of the situation, then yes... Mock away when you score on St. Louis.
 
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Also if you go by that logic

Dak's "signature move" is fair game, too.

I am pretty sure that most people would have a problem with Bo Wallace doing this.
 

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Without offering comment on the Sam thing...

...why can there never be a thread about the NFL where no one brings up poor persecuted Tim Tebow and/or his poor persecuted fans? Why does everything have to be tied in with Tebow somehow?
 

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...why can there never be a thread about the NFL where no one brings up poor persecuted Tim Tebow and/or his poor persecuted fans? Why does everything have to be tied in with Tebow somehow?

Tebow and Sam actually have a similarity. Both have much more media attention than deserved as an nfl player.

I feel like sam's overwhelming media attention will get him the same fate tebow's got him. How long do you think fisher will put up with 1000 daily questions about his gay, 7th round pick? Nfl teams hate distraction and Sam will one whether he planned it or not.
 

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Do you honestly think the opposing team mocked praying and not Tebow? After the game I'm pretty sure he thanked God with the press.
 

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I agree. It would suggest that the Rams were in on the orchestration, but if so that means they know they're at least going to have to put him on the 53 man roster or face a huge backlash that wipes out all good publicity they're getting for drafting him. If they want to avoid taking any crap at all they're going to have to give him some meaningful playing time, which isn't going to happen. Seems like a lot to deal with just to get in on the cheap, safe PR circus going on right now.
 

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The biggest problem I would have with Bo Wallace doing that move would be that he was in the end zone, WITH the ball.
 

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He had me until "part of some agenda."

I'm usually one of the first to stand up against people being mindless bigots. PF was, for the most part, right. The cake was way over the top, and it was obviously set up to be a big camera moment.

I do not believe it's part of an agenda, unless that agenda is to break big stories and get ratings.
 

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I'm usually one of the first to stand up against people being mindless bigots. PF was, for the most part, right. The cake was way over the top, and it was obviously set up to be a big camera moment.

I do not believe it's part of an agenda, unless that agenda is to break big stories and get ratings.
See I took agenda as a ratings agenda, not a gay agenda. If he did mean it the way I thought, agenda was probably a poor choice of word.
 
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If they want to avoid taking any crap at all they're going to have to give him some meaningful playing time, which isn't going to happen.

I don't think they will get any crap if he doesn't get PT.....or at least not from anyone that matters. I mean, what are they going to say? That he isn't being played because he is gay? They knew he was gay when they drafted him, so that just wouldn't make any sense.
 

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"This has nothing to do with two men," Finebaum said. "If this had been Tom Brady and Gisele I would have been just as offended. This was just too much."
Finebaum said he "appreciated the moment" and has "been a Michael Sam fan for a very long time." He said it was his personal opinion that "he went too far." He said he could understand kissing his significant other in public once but "sharing cake and the icing was too much."
Finebaum felt perhaps Sam was "not mature enough to handle the moment or someone was orchestrating the moment, which bothers me more than the first part." He said though it "pains me to say that," his natural reaction was that the kiss had "been scripted to take advantage of that moment" and was "part of some agenda."

note: the only "someone" there "orchestrating the moment" was the ESPN crew on the scene


Which crew ? The ESPY's were also there doing a documentary-type thing for the awards show....I imagine that's where the script came into play. All about an image...
 
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There would be two different standards because there's a difference between people mocking Tebow's signature touchdown celebration and someone just blatantly mocking Michael Sam's sexuality. Tebowing was phenomenon that took off like planking. Just because Tebow tried to associate it with right-wing fundamentalism, it didn't mean that everyone else did.

Apparently, MSU not only invented grilling food in the outfield, Dak was the first guy to point up after scoring a touchdown. If Bo Wallace scored a touchdown and pointed up, I wouldn't know he was mocking anybody.

I think you'd have a better argument if you said that someone mocked Sam by acting like he was shoving cake into a teammate's mouth and simulated licking it off his face. I may be wrong for thinking that would be hilarious, but I don't think you would get the same double standard.

And as a brief aside, there was constant outrage, constant outrage, that Tebow's faith wasn't talked about enough in the media. Yet, all I heard about when I cut on the damn TV was how Tebow was an uber christian who hasn't had sex with his big-titted girlfriend because he's not married. Tebow got drafted in the first round. He's hopped from team to team, and he couldn't cut it. People who could give a **** about the fundamentals of football are up in arms all over social media about how mistreated the first round pick who was traded from team to team was because a gay guy got drafted. Got drafted. He got drafted in the 7th round, and this is an affront to Tebow somehow.

Michael Sam may suck *** in the NFL, but that's not good enough. We need affirmative action for Tebow, the really good Christian guy who couldn't hack it.

Not getting what you want all of the time is not getting persecuted.
 

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There would be two different standards because there's a difference between people mocking Tebow's signature touchdown celebration and someone just blatantly mocking Michael Sam's sexuality. Tebowing was phenomenon that took off like planking. Just because Tebow tried to associate it with right-wing fundamentalism, it didn't mean that everyone else did.

Apparently, MSU not only invented grilling food in the outfield, Dak was the first guy to point up after scoring a touchdown. If Bo Wallace scored a touchdown and pointed up, I wouldn't know he was mocking anybody.

I think you'd have a better argument if you said that someone mocked Sam by acting like he was shoving cake into a teammate's mouth and simulated licking it off his face. I may be wrong for thinking that would be hilarious, but I don't think you would get the same double standard.

And as a brief aside, there was constant outrage, constant outrage, that Tebow's faith wasn't talked about enough in the media. Yet, all I heard about when I cut on the damn TV was how Tebow was an uber christian who hasn't had sex with his big-titted girlfriend because he's not married. Tebow got drafted in the first round. He's hopped from team to team, and he couldn't cut it. People who could give a **** about the fundamentals of football are up in arms all over social media about how mistreated the first round pick who was traded from team to team was because a gay guy got drafted. Got drafted. He got drafted in the 7th round, and this is an affront to Tebow somehow.

Michael Sam may suck *** in the NFL, but that's not good enough. We need affirmative action for Tebow, the really good Christian guy who couldn't hack it.

Not getting what you want all of the time is not getting persecuted.

You've got issues
 
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I want to preface this by saying I am not a Tebow fanatic, and I dont think the guy got mistreated by any NFL organization. He was a sub standard NFL QB and was at best a backup on some teams. Now having said that the NFL displayed a double standard when it came to this celebration. It wasn't a "signature move". The guy was praying.



You never saw DB's celebrate like this when they would break up a pass thrown to Greg Jennings, yet he did the same "signature move" every time he scored a TD as well. There was also never a "Jenninging" meme craze.



So what I am saying is that Tebow was mocked for his strong beliefs, not for a signature move. Begin mocking the Rams or Sam for his beliefs and there is going to be backlash you couldn't beleive because the NFL "doesn't allow taunting of other players' beliefs".