Fire Franklin. This is coaching malpractice!/Combined complaints post UCLA

DaytonRickster

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they should cancel the flight and make them take a Greyhound home
They should make CJF, the coordinators and most of the players receiving huge NIL benefits take a pay cut for performance that does not qualify for financial incentive. Embarrassing display of coaching and playing.
I don't want to hear about team captains meetings with players, etc. That was an abysmal failure.
Where is the pride of this team? Where is the leadership?
I think I'm done watching PSU football until CJF is gone along with the coordinators and most of the coaching staff.
 

WestSideLion

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One thing to keep in mind is that the buyout is offset by his next contract.
He’s owed roughly 8 million a year on a buyout. If he takes a job for 6 mil the next year, they only owe the difference. He’s relatively young and almost certainly coach again.
Good point. That’s a good risk to take.
 

psu31trap

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It’s too much money guys. Strictly from a dollars and cents viewpoint the media will have a field day. When you factor in the buyout, the cost of a new head coach, coordinators and assistants you will have stepped into a fiscal black hole. Maybe in two or three years, yes pull the plug, but right now it doesn’t make sense unless someone can guarantee a National Championship in two or three years. Just my two cents.
 
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WestSideLion

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I like Coach Franklin. I think he is a good man and has done a lot of good at PSU, but his time has come to leave. We need a fresh perpective....so does he (ala Andy Reid with the Eagles to KC). Just as he was soft during the pandemic, he seems to have checked out now too. Not all his fault though. Coach AK is a major disappointment. I think what he told us when he arrived was he puts his players/talent in the best position to succeed - he hasn't. He's a bust! Jim Knowles is an elite DC, just tried to install too much, too fast with the talent he has.

Also wonder about the wisdom about bringing so many 5th year seniors (except K Allen) back. They too have seemed to lose their focus looking ahead to the NFL. #10 has totally regressed.

OL is a mystery to me. I think it is a problem based on scheme...not talent. Thanks Coach AK.

We were over rated/ranked to start the season. If Franklin stays I'm not sure we can save the season....maybe if he cans AK. AK thinks he is a genius and is much too gimmicky and cute to win any titles or even B10 games.

Lastly, I think the loss of TE Tyler Warren impacted us more than we expected. I thought someone would step up. They haven't.
AK is done. It’s just a matter of playing out the season. Franklin will employ his usual playbook: redirect blame to a coordinator who is replaced.

That will work because of the size of his remaining contract. I think other positional coaches will be replaced too and Franklin will make some changes like bringing in a real QB coach.

It’s all cosmetic. The problem is obvious by now and we’ll see how 2026 goes with a lot less talent on paper.
 

MacNit

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It’s possible that Kraft is playing a form of hardball by not extending Franklin. Or he may be trying to shorten the contract length in exchange for a higher per-year salary.

PSU has zero leverage with the current deal. It’s an all timer by Sandy, who rode off into the sunset and avoided the repercussions.

It's time. Sit down with Franklin and negotiate an exit strategy. Let Franklin go to a middling ACC or Big 12 squad to help rebuild their program. Get someone who understands how to build teams in the trenches. Someone willing to sit an ineffective player, regardless of whether it hurts his draft stock.

It’s too much money guys. Strictly from a dollars and cents viewpoint the media will have a field day. When you factor in the buyout, the cost of a new head coach, coordinators and assistants you will have stepped into a fiscal black hole. Maybe in two or three years, yes pull the plug, but right now it doesn’t make sense unless someone can guarantee a National Championship in two or three years. Just my two cents.
$72.50 per alumni…tack it into Alumni association bills!
 
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razpsu

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Beat osu and all is forgivin. Could be a team with 3 losses makes it in this year. Maybe ucla can get something going and make this loss a little less stunning.

that is my view through my blue white glasses.
Objectively, franklin and Ak didnt learn a damn thing from last week. Didn’t play vertical didnt run Allen downhill.

Knowles. Keep one guy not named a linebacker sitting in the middle watching their damn qb the whole time. One guy is available so spy and with that speed get to to him or make him think twice to run!! This week’s second half adjustment was abysmal!!
 

LB99

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Love it, but he’s the Hair Apparent at his alma mater.
He’s been waiting for awhile. Nobody wants to wait too long. Fran Ganter did that and he never got his chance. If a quality program gives him a chance and a favorable contract, Hartline should do it.
 

MacNit

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It’s too much money guys. Strictly from a dollars and cents viewpoint the media will have a field day. When you factor in the buyout, the cost of a new head coach, coordinators and assistants you will have stepped into a fiscal black hole. Maybe in two or three years, yes pull the plug, but right now it doesn’t make sense unless someone can guarantee a National Championship in two or three years. Just my two cents.
$72.50 per alum…tack it onto membership fees!
 

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All the rage and frustration aside, there’s virtually a 0% chance PSU moves on from Franklin after this season. Only Franklin leaving would trigger that outcome and that train left the station today.

But it sets up an interesting dynamic for 2026 when the team looks to be a lot worse on paper. How many rough seasons would Kraft and boosters have the patience for?
Baloney. The schoool will hemmorage $ by leaving him in place. He should have been flown home separately from the team.

I think Singleton is completely checked out - so move him down the depth chart.

And get Grunk ready. For IHC, Terry Smith.
 

BiochemPSU

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Baloney. The schoool will hemmorage $ by leaving him in place. He should have been flown home separately from the team.

I think Singleton is completely checked out - so move him down the depth chart.

And get Grunk ready. For IHC, Terry Smith.
I agree with using the backup now. This is Clifford and Drew all over again. Playoffs are done for this team. You need to find out what you have for next year and build towards that. Do something to salvage this recruiting class and keep the portal options plentiful by showcasing a promising up and coming QB (if we have one). Drew might actually thank you for pulling him.
 
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He Sucked as OC at PSU- hard pass.
Seems like there have been a run of “bad” OCs at psu but one constant.
I wasn’t advocating for Ricky. Just saying that he didn’t deserve to be on that list.
 

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You have to make him feel unwelcome. Take everything you can. Replace his laptop with an obsolete old desktop. No access to private travel. Cut his budgets. Close his restroom. Move his office. Have big donors hassle him. Anything and everything.
Do that and watch your list of replacement candidates shrink significantly. There is no way to finesse this contract issue.
 

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One thing to keep in mind is that the buyout is offset by his next contract.
He’s owed roughly 8 million a year on a buyout. If he takes a job for 6 mil the next year, they only owe the difference. He’s relatively young and almost certainly coach again.
Doesn't work that way. Look at the Diaz contract. PSU took full advantage of the Diaz buyout to get him on the cheap. No school is offering 6 mil per year if Franklin has an 8 mill per year check in hand.
 

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I like Urban but he comes with his own set of problems. Not sure if the Admin would be willing to gamble or if Urban would come. But he's a proven winner and recruiter so I think you'd see a positive impact quickly. Plus, I heard he's looking to get back into coaching so maybe?
 
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I like Urban but he comes with his own set of problems. Not sure if the Admin would be willing to gamble or if Urban would come. But he's a proven winner and recruiter so I think you'd see a positive impact quickly. Plus, I heard he's looking to get back into coaching so maybe?
What’s his problem? Winning?
 

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I like Urban but he comes with his own set of problems. Not sure if the Admin would be willing to gamble or if Urban would come. But he's a proven winner and recruiter so I think you'd see a positive impact quickly. Plus, I heard he's looking to get back into coaching so maybe?

At this point I think Kraft needs to make that call. Who knows if Urban still has the coaching fire or would even be interested but you have to make that call and find out.
 
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as a Nebraska fan I'm a-ok with Rhule but he's not maybe the biggest name like urban or saben that always gets mentioned...or the new name like cignetti....
and I'm not saying you should fire your coach..he wins alot..

but who would be the top candidates if Penn State looked for another coach? I just ask cause Rhule seems to move alot and has past ties to Penn State
 

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I think Singleton is completely checked out - so move him down the depth chart.

And get Grunk ready. For IHC, Terry Smith.
The season is over, and we're staring directly down the barrel of 7-5, (8-4, if we're lucky, and 6-6 or even 5-7 is not out of the question). If we can lose to UCLA and have 42 points hung on us by an offense that was averaging 14 points/game, very few of the remaining games on the schedule can be taken for granted.

My two big questions:

1. Why continue to give Singleton carries at this point? -- I'm not joking. In what way does it benefit the team to persist with the insane charade that we have two running backs? Singleton got more carries than Allen in this game (again!), and was once again roughly half as effective. He should be in there as a blocker, and as a pass option, and that's it. Giving him carries is not playing to win, and at this point, it's one of the clearest indicators that James Franklin might be trying to get fired. How else can you justify putting inferior players in the game, when the game is on the line?

2. At what point do you go to Grunk? -- I know in James Franklin's mind, the answer is, "never". But that's stupid. It's poor coaching, and it's exactly why we so consistently find ourselves unable to turn the corner. Penn State's playoff hopes are all but dashed. Their only chance is to run the table (which isn't going to happen). So, once they take their third loss, what is the valid COACHING excuse for continuing to play Allar?

It doesn't buy the program anything, and at this point, I don't see that it buys Allar anything. NFL scouts have seen enough from him, and he ain't improving his draft position at this point. For my money...? After they take their next loss, it should be Grunk the rest of the way (honestly, it should be NOW, but Franklin will live in denial until they eat loss #3). This is part of Franklin's shortcoming as a HC: he does what's best for individual players first, and the program second. As a head coach, that's a$$-backwards. You need to be doing what's best for the PROGRAM. You always need to be looking ahead. And Franklin doesn't do that.

Highest paid coaching staff in college football, and we get burned by an 0-4 team with no coaching staff. Absolute laughing stock.
 
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as a Nebraska fan I'm a-ok with Rhule but he's not maybe the biggest name like urban or saben that always gets mentioned...or the new name like cignetti....
and I'm not saying you should fire your coach..he wins alot..

but who would be the top candidates if Penn State looked for another coach? I just ask cause Rhule seems to move alot and has past ties to Penn State

Jerry Neuheisel.
 

LB99

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What’s his problem? Winning?
He’s Barry Switzer 2.0. If you can get him to not roster a serial killer, rub on 21 yr olds at The Lions Den, hire a wife beater on staff, or hire an open racist fired from Iowa, then the results would be good, but no guarantees. I’m not saying don’t go after him. He would be a big splash with instant results, but you’re playing with fire every day with him.
 
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This point in Franklin's PSU career is starting to look a lot like early 2000's for JoePa. A whole lackadaisical approach to coaching and recruiting. He's got 6 years under contract to resurrect it but I don't know he's going to last that long under the mounting pressure. Two more years of this performance and I'd say he walks away.
 

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as a Nebraska fan I'm a-ok with Rhule but he's not maybe the biggest name like urban or saben that always gets mentioned...or the new name like cignetti....
and I'm not saying you should fire your coach..he wins alot..

but who would be the top candidates if Penn State looked for another coach? I just ask cause Rhule seems to move alot and has past ties to Penn State
Hopefully not
 

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This point in Franklin's PSU career is starting to look a lot like early 2000's for JoePa. A whole lackadaisical approach to coaching and recruiting. He's got 6 years under contract to resurrect it but I don't know he's going to last that long under the mounting pressure. Two more years of this performance and I'd say he walks away.
Two more years!!? Very aware of buyout. But not paying it will cost PSU even more $. He should be waking up acrich man today that never needs to work again. Thanks Sandy!
 
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He’s been waiting for awhile. Nobody wants to wait too long. Fran Ganter did that and he never got his chance. If a quality program gives him a chance and a favorable contract, Hartline should do it.
Not wrong but I honestly think Hartline thinks of himself as a buckeye for life. I say that because he’s waited so long already.
 
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donaldfair71

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Doesn't work that way. Look at the Diaz contract. PSU took full advantage of the Diaz buyout to get him on the cheap. No school is offering 6 mil per year if Franklin has an 8 mill per year check in hand.
Maybe, but after 8 million a year and what salaries have done in the interim (I don’t believe he’s a top 10 paid coach anymore), not sure he gets off the couch for less than 10 million total compensation by 2027. Could mean he just won’t work but I don’t know if he could do that psychologically after getting fired.
Good news is I don’t think he’ll get off the couch at Penn State for that amount by then either.
What am I missing on Diaz, it looks from what I looked up that Penn State was paying him competitively with other DCs in the league?