Fire Franklin. This is coaching malpractice!/Combined complaints post UCLA
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If Franklin is cut loose by PSU (I am VERY skeptical of any chance of that happening, but just playing along) would Schuyler be tit-for-tat cut loose from his gig at CAA?
I'll be honest, I was elated when we "stole" Knowles from OSU and when they "settled" on Matt Patricia as their new DC along with many other opposing fans. I'm not laughing anymore. That OSU defense might be the most shutdown-suffcating CF defense I've seen in years, They've given up 25 total points in 5 games and a few of those points were garbage time points.
They're scary good
KotelnickI and Franklin have been holding our offense back intentionally. T
osu’s defense won’t be ready for what our coaches will cook up.
I hesitate to respond because I haven't visited their forums or have personal acquaintences who espouse their opinions, feelings, etc., pertaining to their expectations for the UCLA program in general, for this season in particular, and certainly not, prior to the game. Nor have I reviewed media accounts close to their program. If you have such first hand knowledge, do share and it would facilitate a reasonable consideration of your question.
My suspicion is that the UCLA fan base had no asperations of a Big 10 title and/or a run at a Natl. title. I would suspect there was disatisfaction with the start of the season but more so measured in comparison with a wish for general success. I don't think their team on Saturday was playing under any pressure to sustain a championship season, and to the contrary, played with house money and abandon. I think they were having fun simply being a spoiler and playing the game. In short, the circumstances are far different and the suggested analogy has no merit.
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I think you meant to say, he will always have at least 2 or 3 losses. After the beating they took yesterday, I'm not sure they beat Nkrthwestern. After that, I'm not sure they win again thus year. It's not like they looked bad in a game or two. They have looked terrible for five games in a row.
Yeah, I don't know what the issue was but OSU's Eleven Warriors site had an article on this a month or so ago saying the same thing - OSU didn't even bother to make Knowles a realistic counter offer. Kind of like they wanted him to leave for some reasonOSU didn’t even try to keep Knowles. Shouldn’t been a massive red flag.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.PSU Fans:
FWIW, that was posted on Saturday, and is already in the Complaints thread. I'm moving this thread to that thread.
Anyone with the photoshop skills to put Franklin’s face on Lucy (and maybe a PSU helmet on Charlie)? This pretty much sums up the past decade in a nutshell. 
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It’s sad and frustrating what has become of the program on the field. Franklin means well and is a good representative of the university. For whatever reason (I’m not inside the program to see what goes on), he is not able to take the program to the next level. It is sad and frustrating. All of that said, the memes are just stupid and undeserved. They aren’t funny. The whole thing is sad and frustrating.
I am of the opinion that firing Franklin is in everyone’s best interests. If it happens, I will wish him well in whatever he chooses to do. He didn’t take the program where any of us or he wanted, but he has done well for the program and university overall. He’s smart, a good man, and a family man. It isn’t working at PSU, but I hope he does well should he move on from PSU.
Let’s please stop with the Franklin memes (clown, McDonald’s, etc.). Jokes are one thing. Insults that are stupid and juvenile are another. Just stop.
I am of the opinion that firing Franklin is in everyone’s best interests. If it happens, I will wish him well in whatever he chooses to do. He didn’t take the program where any of us or he wanted, but he has done well for the program and university overall. He’s smart, a good man, and a family man. It isn’t working at PSU, but I hope he does well should he move on from PSU.
Let’s please stop with the Franklin memes (clown, McDonald’s, etc.). Jokes are one thing. Insults that are stupid and juvenile are another. Just stop.
Consider this:
If the $50 million buyout doesn't exist -- let's pretend it's not there -- is Saturday's loss a fireable offense?
Even with the buyout in place, many people are saying that loss is a fireable offense.
So, if you're looking at this from a neutral perspective -- money isn't a factor -- does Franklin get fired this week? If you think the loss to UCLA *isn't* a fireable offense under normal circumstances, if you think Franklin isn't going to be fired for reasons other than money, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
I'll even get the ball rolling:
One reason I heard was that the players overwhelmingly love him. Now, that could be because he's an enabler. He doesn't push them hard, and they love how cushy things are under him... I don't know. But I did hear that the players (both current and past) like him a lot, and that's definitely something to consider, right?
Your best post ever. Could not agree more…We Are!…better than that!
The next level? What level is losing to an 0-4 team with no coaching staff that had previously lost to New Mexico?
Sometimes, the boss that the employees like is the one upper management wants to get rid of at the first opportunity.
That said, there's no way that "money isn't a factor."
I think we all get the magnitude of the loss. Bob's post is an appeal to decency. Unless you think that clowning the situation and using AI to have the Coach of your team appear in unflattering situations helps it is wise to consider how best to address the situation. The future of the program is not served well by denigrating those in charge now.
Addressing the disappointing state of affairs in a mature way is not asking a whole lot.
Cig should be at the top of anyone's list. The goal should be a coach who will be out in front of the recent changes to the sport (NIL, transfer portal) and that is Coach Cig. In one year he turned Indiana, arguably the most under supported team in the history of the Big Ten, into a playoff team. Imagine what he could do at a place like Penn State.
The problem is he comes off like a douchebag. That will rub some people the wrong way at first but if he's winning nobody will care.
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The AI generated memes seem to be the digital version of wearing a brown paper bag over your head to the game. Is it a good look? Of course not. Might it change the status quo? Probably not with the buyout, but I assume people are still going to try.
I shared stuff from social media because it’s out there whether you like it or not; it’s the national perspective on PSU. Some fans have just had it. A big reason why?
Bob is usually the one stirring things up here with his not so innocuous posts (which I love), but I get some fans want to ‘embrace the suck’ a bit (Army term for my fellow vets) which is to deploy a defensive mechanism in the face of maximum suckitude that allows one to cope by inviting more and more of it. It works for 16 hour force protection duty shifts in freezing rain - can’t hurt here
.I am against mean spirited personal attacks though - no place for that stuff. And really - we’re stuck with Franklin for at least another two years IMO.
I was only addressing the "next level" part of the post, and didn't address the rest (which i agree with fwiw)
I shared stuff from social media because it’s out there whether you like it or not; it’s the national perspective on PSU. Some fans have just had it. A big reason why?
Bob is usually the one stirring things up here with his not so innocuous posts (which I love), but I get some fans want to ‘embrace the suck’ a bit (Army term for my fellow vets) which is to deploy a defensive mechanism in the face of maximum suckitude that allows one to cope by inviting more and more of it. It works for 16 hour force protection duty shifts in freezing rain - can’t hurt here
I am against mean spirited personal attacks though - no place for that stuff. And really - we’re stuck with Franklin for at least another two years IMO.
I am not so sure. Watching him on Saturday he had the look of a coach who knew it is done, that I have done all I can do here. I am sure he heard the chants at the Whiteout…IMO
Have to hope a school like Arkansas or Florida finds him more attractive than others. We'll see. What's frustrating is the years of people pointing this stuff out (play-calling, soft players, lack of discipline, lack of QB development, game/time management, loyalty to certain players, etc.) only to be shouted down by the usual suspects, who I guess don't post anymore, that we are Franklin haters. I think many were hoping he was the guy but it was obvious years ago he wasn't. Team isn't fun to watch for the most part either unless you are a masochist.
Over the last decade:
No university in the country has spent more on "football facilities"
No university in the country - obviously - has spent more on their football stadium
No university in the country - obviously - has spent more on a football coaching staff or administration
And, to borrow a phrase - I get it , that (nearly) no one cares, and very few even know, about things like this, (and only care about "how many games did we win?") but:
The academic performance of the football program dropped to dragging bottom in the Big Ten in the NCAA metrics (I know - or at least IMHO - the NCAA metrics are laughable. But those are the standards set by the NCAA)
We have two (now former) players awaiting trial for rape of co-eds (Yes, those have yet to be fully adjudicated, and everyone knows that folks are entitled to proper due process)
PSU just had to pay a $4.5 million civil judgement for actions catalyzed by allegations of the football coach interfering with medical decisions
Legal kerfluffles regarding "sexual harassment" based hazing in the football program
It is what it is.
And, FWIW, it will all be A-OK (with most people) if PSU can win their next 3 games.
No university in the country has spent more on "football facilities"
No university in the country - obviously
- has spent more on their football stadiumNo university in the country - obviously
- has spent more on a football coaching staff or administrationAnd, to borrow a phrase - I get it
, that (nearly) no one cares, and very few even know, about things like this, (and only care about "how many games did we win?") but:The academic performance of the football program dropped to dragging bottom in the Big Ten in the NCAA metrics (I know - or at least IMHO - the NCAA metrics are laughable. But those are the standards set by the NCAA)
We have two (now former) players awaiting trial for rape of co-eds (Yes, those have yet to be fully adjudicated, and everyone knows that folks are entitled to proper due process)
PSU just had to pay a $4.5 million civil judgement for actions catalyzed by allegations of the football coach interfering with medical decisions
Legal kerfluffles regarding "sexual harassment" based hazing in the football program
It is what it is.
And, FWIW, it will all be A-OK (with most people) if PSU can win their next 3 games.