Fire really?

gojvc

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Exactly. Honestly, to all those worried about "who would we hire"....Brad Stevens or Vogel would be great if you could entice them but I'd rather take a shot on a young up and comer like Chin or someone from the Few tree then keep watching what we have watched for the last 7 seasons (minus 2017).

PPL want to point to 2020 as an "what could have been" but that team wasn't as good as this years, had the classic Cal up and down wait til march season that has been the norm since 2015, and had a head case point guard who quit on the team 2 weeks before the tournament. We would have been lucky to make the E8.
The guards on the 2020 team were WAY better than the guards on this years team. I mean WAAAAAAYYYYYY better.
 
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Uk2k4

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If you don’t want him GONE (fired, resign, however u wanna put it), then you are OK with losing. Because last night was firm proof that he is ok with it.
 
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turkeywildturkey

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All this fire Cal stuff is ridiculous. I am upset just as much as everyone else. I also think that Cal needs to adjust to the new game. To be real who can we get to come here if kentucky fired him? His resume speaks for itself I just think firing him would make us look bad and no one would take the job. Probably end up like the Gillespie years but then again I feel like that's where we are now !
I agree. Too many UK fans think we should win the NCAA title every year. I‘m as disappointed as anyone, but think about the players. They are devastated. The sun will come up tomorrow.
 

Burly

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Hell yes fire his *** - reason being he’s not going to change he will never change he will never listen to his coaches.
He’s a terrible teacher of the game and and ever worse talent evaluater
He does not demand pure shooting & offensive skill when looking for talent
 
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1BadCat

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9-16 last year, ousted in the opening round this year. I want to see a coach with fire and urgency on the sideline.....not look for a mysterious "tweak" that apparently rode off on the back of the unicorn that it rode in on!
 
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EliteBlue

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The guards on the 2020 team were WAY better than the guards on this years team. I mean WAAAAAAYYYYYY better.
True, but we didn't have anything close to Oscar either. Hagans being a headcase was going to be the downfall eventually. Same as the Auburn game the year prior whne he got beat consistently trying to gamble and pad steals. I'd never seen someone play so many defensive possessions by giving the guy the lane and then playing defense on his back trying to pick his pocket. hed get his 2-3 steals but 80% of the time it would end up causing the defensive shift and out of position scramble resulting in an open 3 or layup.

To that point, I question if Hagans was even going to come back. he quit during the UT game, and the following week had the money social media videos go viral.

The best version of that team was a Final 4 team, but same as this year...they weren't the best version of theirselves heading into the tournament and could easily get beat by say.....Evansville
 

Cats_2010

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There’s really not much cal could do to turn sone people against him. He could take a dump at half court in Rupp and some would still support him. He successfully managed to turn a portion of the fanbase against our only homegrown kid on the roster all the while shaking their Pom Poms and rooting on players who couldn’t give a rats *** about the actual university of Kentucky itself. To some this has become the Univ. of Cal. Sorry I’m just not that sheepish!!!
 
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gojvc

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True, but we didn't have anything close to Oscar either. Hagans being a headcase was going to be the downfall eventually. Same as the Auburn game the year prior whne he got beat consistently trying to gamble and pad steals. I'd never seen someone play so many defensive possessions by giving the guy the lane and then playing defense on his back trying to pick his pocket. hed get his 2-3 steals but 80% of the time it would end up causing the defensive shift and out of position scramble resulting in an open 3 or layup.

To that point, I question if Hagans was even going to come back. he quit during the UT game, and the following week had the money social media videos go viral.

The best version of that team was a Final 4 team, but same as this year...they weren't the best version of theirselves heading into the tournament and could easily get beat by say.....Evansville
But they were an 80% FT shooting team and they made them in the clutch (unlike almost air balling them like Wheeler). And they could get their own shots when they had to, unlike Grady and really Mintz too. I’m not saying 2020 was a lock, it definitely wasn’t. But I think it was a team well constructed for tournament basketball.
 
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CHAMPCAT11

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He will implode from within...his ego literally cannot handle it...

I wish he would. I wish he’d show some regard for BBN and our loyalty and ‘crazy’ support for the team when half of our fans spend more money than they can afford just to watch them play. But he’s made it clear how he feels and the only person he gives a **** about is himself.
 

UKortho

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Lexington Herald Leader:
For whatever reason, his teams, both young and old, appear to play tight at crunch time. To that end, one stat sticks out. In the 2014 title game loss to Connecticut, UK was 13-of-24 at the foul line. The Cats were 12-of-19 in their 2017 exit, 23-of-37 in 2018 and 12-of-21 in 2019. Thursday, Kentucky went 1-of-6 from the foul line in overtime.
 
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UKortho

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Starting with the 2015 Final Four loss to Wisconsin, there has been a common thread to these agonizing defeats. Most have come in tight, possession-by-possession games in which the Cats failed to execute down the stretch — the 38-1 team’s 71-64 loss to Wisconsin in 2015, the 75-73 Luke Maye loss to North Carolina at the buzzer in the Elite Eight in 2017, the 61-58 Sweet 16 loss to Kansas State in 2018, the 77-71 overtime Elite Eight loss to Auburn in 2019.

Thursday was a different movie with the same ending. Up 68-62 with 4:12 remaining, Calipari’s Cats failed to close the deal. Again. Turnovers. Missed shots. Worst of all, when it mattered most, Kentucky exhibited a puzzling inability to either get the right play called, or run it correctly.

“I wish I had some answers with three minutes to go to help them through it,” said Calipari, the man paid almost $9 million a year to have those answers.

From the Lex Herald Leader.
 

UKortho

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There’s another trend here, one that might be the most important, one for those who believe Jimmies-and-Joes trump X’s-and-O’s. From 2010 through 2015, Kentucky produced nine players among the top 10 selections of the NBA Draft. From 2016 through 2021, UK has produced three, the last being Kevin Knox in 2018. Current mock drafts suggest 2022 will be the fourth consecutive year without a Kentucky player being selected in the NBA top 10.
 

sam_o

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Ok. Then give me a list.
I'm just asking.
Bruce Pearl
Scott Drew
Chris Beard

I just named 3 coaches who would be very very interested to hear from UK tomorrow. All 3 of which can give us equal or better what we have gotten from John Calipari the past 5 years. I’m sure there are other options out there. It’s time to start considering them.
 

BBNinSC_rivals62411

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Flail away, I don't care what my forum "friends" think about my opinion. Those of you who would want Cal fired are just wrong. By any measure, Cal has been wildly successful coach and a great ambassador for the program.
He has also kept our proud program free of controversy and recruited only high-character players.
Kentucky is the standard in college basketball and we are compelled to maintain that excellence by supporting our coaching staff and players through the wins and losses.
Yesterday was a soul-crushing loss, I had planned to watch this team compete for a FF, even a National Championship. But, it has never crossed my mind that Cal should be fired because of this loss. Duke lost this exact game twice and I never heard anything about Coach K firing.
Kentucky is still the best program in the SEC and Cal is the patriarch of the conference coaches. Let the other schools search for "the guy". Cal is UK and I support him.

My biggest regret is that it will be November until I see my cats on the floor again.
 
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Elliott Tim

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Bruce Pearl
Scott Drew
Chris Beard

I just named 3 coaches who would be very very interested to hear from UK tomorrow. All 3 of which can give us equal or better what we have gotten from John Calipari the past 5 years. I’m sure there are other options out there. It’s time to start considering th

Bruce Pearl
Scott Drew
Chris Beard

I just named 3 coaches who would be very very interested to hear from UK tomorrow. All 3 of which can give us equal or better what we have gotten from John Calipari the past 5 years. I’m sure there are other options out there. It’s time to start considering them.
All this takes me back to my younger days of allowing these things to stress me out
big time.
Thank God I've arrived at a place that these
things no longer control my life.
I was disappointed last night, but I'm over it.
I don't expect very many to share my opinion and that's ok.
 
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sam_o

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All this takes me back to my younger days of allowing these things to stress me out
big time.
Thank God I've arrived at a place that these
things no longer control my life.
I was disappointed last night, but I'm over it.
I don't expect very many to share my opinion and that's ok.
I’m not stressed out at all. I am here to discuss UK basketball, same as you are. I’m not sitting around crying or worried sick because we lost. You asked me who I think could be possible replacements and I threw out a couple. There are many more I’m sure that would be more than willing to listen. Also, glad you are at peace with your life. Peace is priceless!
 

Cawood86_rivals

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All this fire Cal stuff is ridiculous. I am upset just as much as everyone else. I also think that Cal needs to adjust to the new game. To be real who can we get to come here if kentucky fired him? His resume speaks for itself I just think firing him would make us look bad and no one would take the job. Probably end up like the Gillespie years but then again I feel like that's where we are now !
His resume does speak for itself. It;s why he needs to go no matter how many of trolls show up and try and stir the pot. You aint fooling anybody
 
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Cawood86_rivals

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I don't want him fired. I just want him to wake his *** up and coach like it's 2022 and not 2012. The game has changed. He needs to tap into the fountain of youth and find some new energy to bring life back into this program. If he can't do that, then he needs to step out of the way and let someone else take over that's willing to give it all they have.
Why? What on earth makes you think he will? He aint gonna ever truly change. He can't adapt because he's a very limited coach now. Has no fire or passion. Just a guy going thru the motions to cash those big checks.
 
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Cawood86_rivals

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No way Drew. He can’t. At least by next season the contract falls under like 40 mill and there will be a buyout. All sides will agree. You can’t cosch at UK under these conditions. It’s just not possible.
I hope you're right but the thought of another year of Cal just depresses me. I can't do another year. I'm completely fed up.
 

awf

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May 31, 2006
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everybody forgets cal brought us back from the depths of basketball hell and orchestrated elite 8’s, final 4’s and a title. He has a couple of bad years and you want to kick him to the curb. What a clown show this board has become
Hang around Frank...............they are just starting to get wound up........they will be in a frenzy in a few days......... then it will take a few months for them to get semi-rational again........
 

ukcatz12

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Lexington Herald Leader:
For whatever reason, his teams, both young and old, appear to play tight at crunch time. To that end, one stat sticks out. In the 2014 title game loss to Connecticut, UK was 13-of-24 at the foul line. The Cats were 12-of-19 in their 2017 exit, 23-of-37 in 2018 and 12-of-21 in 2019. Thursday, Kentucky went 1-of-6 from the foul line in overtime.
Legitimate critique. Whatever way Cal tries to get the team relaxed and play loose obviously doesn't work.
 

65pacecar

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Exactly. Honestly, to all those worried about "who would we hire"....Brad Stevens or Vogel would be great if you could entice them but I'd rather take a shot on a young up and comer like Chin or someone from the Few tree then keep watching what we have watched for the last 7 seasons (minus 2017).

PPL want to point to 2020 as an "what could have been" but that team wasn't as good as this years, had the classic Cal up and down wait til march season that has been the norm since 2015, and had a head case point guard who quit on the team 2 weeks before the tournament. We would have been lucky to make the E8.
The 2020 team was more likely to go out in the first weekend than make the elite 8.
 

KentuckyMildCats

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Super curious for all these Cal defenders, what is he doing or what do you think he will do next season to make you a true believer that he should stay? I just can't believe you guys pride yourselves in being Kentucky fans and can sit back and watch this utter bs. What happened the past two seasons, should never, I repeat never happen at UK. Especially if our coach is calling us the gold standard. Do you think he's gonna change his coaching schemes and modernize his play style? Or do you have your fingers crossed that we'll get another Anthony Davis type and it won't matter how crappy our coaching is.
 

Fast3ddy88

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I love the people who say 2020 would’ve been a FF team if Covid didn’t happen. Live in your fantasy world while the rest of us are living in the real world and see the clear facts in front of us.
 
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yoshukai

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He won't be fired, no chance. But I'm now on the side that is ready to see him move on. He's had a good run, but it's time
I’m with you. I had been saying I would wait until after next year to even consider it but , the writing is on the wall . He’s not going to have enough talent next year to overcome his coaching deficiencies. I do believe he will move on after next season.
 
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