You've seemed to boil down a very complex eco system (the US Healthcare system) down to a very simple solution. Don't see your post as political though the US government is a huge stakeholder in the system both in the front end and back end.
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I've taken the flu shot since 1980 when my company started offering them(wasn't mandatory). I've had only 1 semi-minor case of the flu since then. I know many will have the same results w/o the vaccine. But now that I'm a geezer.... I want all the help I can get even its minor.
Some of these drugs or devices take decades and millions of dollars to develop, test and scale to market but by no means do we want these companies to advertise in order to recoup their investment. They should give it away or charge dirt cheap prices and just eat all the invested money as loss....and then go do it again and again for the good of the people. A sure model to get the best of the best to do their best work.
As little as I watch any national news, and it’s very minimal, the current HHS director in the Trump administration is trying to ban pharmaceutical TV adds. If Trump or anyone associated with him is FOR something then in today’s world 45% of the people have to be AGAINST it.
You’ve got a lot of nerve saying something like this! Common sense and facts have no place in this debate. If you can’t come at us with conjecture, hearsay, paranoia please keep your professional knowledge and experience to yourself.
Perhaps a differing perspective here….
I totally get all the suspicion / hate around big pharma, but I can’t really see any scenario at all where the annual flu shot represents anything more than a drop in the bucket for their revenues.
Last I checked, you can walk into a Kroger and get the damn thing for like $10 without even presenting insurance cards. Many companies give it out for free to family members of employees. Many public organizations also give it out for free to anyone who walks up.
Big pharma is gonna make far more money off the Tyelenol / Ibuprofin / Tamiflu that people need when they get more sick from not getting the shot vs. anything they get from the vaccine.
I totally get all the suspicion / hate around big pharma, but I can’t really see any scenario at all where the annual flu shot represents anything more than a drop in the bucket for their revenues.
Last I checked, you can walk into a Kroger and get the damn thing for like $10 without even presenting insurance cards. Many companies give it out for free to family members of employees. Many public organizations also give it out for free to anyone who walks up.
Big pharma is gonna make far more money off the Tyelenol / Ibuprofin / Tamiflu that people need when they get more sick from not getting the shot vs. anything they get from the vaccine.
Agree with a lot of what you say here.
I'll just add that there are numerous factors involved in our increased lifespans. Some vaccines and many improvements in medical care are absolutely part of it. Simple things like improved hygeine and much better management of our "waste" products are also big factors.
Back to the complex eco system. Many, many stakeholders with very different objectives including but not limited to the government, drug and device manufacturers, physicians, insurance companies, consumers of health, etc. Banning commercials or railing against manufacturers is like addressing 1/100th of the issue but it's popular and sounds good. Kind of like railing against big oil profits when they've spent hundreds of millions just to get the oil flowing.
Never got a flu shot and haven’t had the flu since the late 90s. Never got the Covid jab and never got Covid. The human immune system knows what it’s doing.
I salute you sir. If you don't need it don't get it. Not everyone hit the genetic lottery.
Maybe taking a board certified pulmonologist at his word?
Check out the average life span in the Middle Ages (around 25) and the incredible infant mortality rate up until the age of the germ theory of disease. Look at the millions of Amer-Indians who died of childhood diseases introduced to the New World. Human beings have always had immune systems but not modern medical advances.
Yes. Modern science and engineering in other areas matter too.
Yeah, no offense at all to the Doc or you, but that's not how I live my life. I'll absolutely listen to him because he has an expertise I don't, but I'll also get other viewpoints and make my decision from my own research.
I've seen plenty of experts in plenty of fields be completely wrong about things they were very sure they were right about.
History is absolutely chock full of examples of the powers that be not knowing WTF they were talking about and ruining people for disagreement.
RFK Jr talked about taking all these pharma co commercials off our TVs.
I hope that happens soon.
I'm tired of seeing/hearing how some of these meds are bad for my taint
I hope that happens soon.
I'm tired of seeing/hearing how some of these meds are bad for my taint
Influenza vaccine outcomes: a meta-analysis revealing morbidity benefits amid low infection prevention - PubMed
Despite higher infection rates, vaccination against H3N2 remains as highly effective as vaccination against H1N1 and IBV in reducing influenza-related morbidity and mortality in all age groups. Detailing vaccine effectiveness in terms of infection protection and disease burden across different...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Adding on without getting too in the weeds.
This year’s flu vaccine includes a sub component of the H3N2 Croatian strain. The most prevalent flu strain in the U.S. now is H3N2 Subclade K.
Like the paper says, probably want prevent but reduces severity. Influenza mutation is a crazy thing.
This is one of the only things I agree with RFK on
History is full of everything including experts making good decisions that improve the lives of others too.
He has the education, training, and experience to absolutely know what he is talking about. You probably wouldn’t want to get him to repair your car, but you do want him dealing with respiratory problems you might have. Your google search is NOT research. . Would hate to live a life like you just described. I WANT people who know more than me to be around for things I don’t know much about.
I usually get the flu shot and haven’t had flu since 96ish. Haven’t been as diligent getting it the last couple years though. I may have missed it once or twice over the last couple years. Never makes me feel sick. Shingles vacinne did make me feel sick for a day both times I got it. I’ve got 2 covid vacinnes and maybe a booster. Never had it that I know of and I didn’t socially distance or wear masks unless forced too. The nano bots in the covid vacinne annoyed me for a little while but eventually stopped bothering me and I accepted my new nanobot overlords.
You got 2 shots 4 years ago and you have gotten covid twice in the last couple years.
That summary seems like a reasonable experience. It makes sense.
Funny stuff....it is a little odd that you can learn more about a used car you are purchasing by researching the VIN number than you can the medical performance background of a physician.....let that sink in.
Also, what do you call a medical student who graduated last in their class?....a doctor ****
I think my favorite ads are the ones for a drug to get rid of Tardive dyskinesia. That's a condition that causes involuntary repetitive body movements like constant grimacing or sticking out your tongue. It's typically caused by long term use of mental health medications.
So they're advertising a medication to help you stop doing **** that makes you look crazy and that **** you're doing is being caused by medications that are supposed to help you not be crazy. Oh, and a side effect of the drug to help you not look crazy, is it may make you kinda crazy.
There are bad doctors out there, trust me I know. That being said, the vast majority of us work very hard every day trying to make people better. All of the conspiracy theories about doctors being linked up to pharmaceutical companies and trying to do things to actually keep their patients sick and hurt them has been extremely counterproductive to healthcare. I am not asking for anyone to kiss my ring, but being treated like I’m the devil after I was up all night on call, throwing myself against the wall trying to keep someone alive is not easy to deal with. After a while, you just want to give up.And it’s getting worse. I know plenty of doctors that are retiring earlier than they planned just because it’s getting more and more miserable to deal with.
This “do my own research” stuff is very dangerous too. I’m not saying you shouldn’t stay educated on your current health issues. I’m not saying you shouldn’t get a second opinion. But I have patients refusing chemotherapy for lung cancer And instead taking ivermectin because of what they read on Facebook. That isn’t a joke.
This “do my own research” stuff is very dangerous too. I’m not saying you shouldn’t stay educated on your current health issues. I’m not saying you shouldn’t get a second opinion. But I have patients refusing chemotherapy for lung cancer And instead taking ivermectin because of what they read on Facebook. That isn’t a joke.
@She Mate Me
Arent you who started that insane thread about how Owens has firmly discovered that French Prez Macron's wife is actually a guy?
This thread tracks.
Arent you who started that insane thread about how Owens has firmly discovered that French Prez Macron's wife is actually a guy?
This thread tracks.
I asked the doctor this question and he said there are numerous strains of flu and the shot you get is really a guest as to which flu will break out.
I would point out that not everyone makes it through medical school. I would also point out that they had to actually make it into medical school first: finally I would point out that completing medical school doesn’t mean you are done. You have to go through years of residency / fellowship before you practice. I spent a total of ten years of training after college before I was able to practice independently
WTF are you talking about? Where did I say I say I don't want him dealing with respiratory problems I might have? Where did I say anything negative at all other than apparently, I think about things differently from you?
Take your ridiculous straw man and your political crusade somewhere else. I'm just having a discussion.
Yes. She sure looks like a dude to me. I also said I thought Candace might be batshit crazy. Seems like that's still pretty possible. She sho knows how to generate money though.
The French prez wife story is all kinds of weird, whether she's a man or not.
your car if you let me repair it:
Just realized that read as a threat. Simply meant it more as I know not jackshit about cars
I think the issue for a lot of folks regarding the advertising is you have a massive industry that is very intertwined with our government for public health and other reasons.
When that industry is allowed to spend so much money on advertising that they have a clear outsized influence on how news is reported at the outlets they are paying, it's worthy of a discussion.
That seems a reasonable question to discuss and the more forceful the opposition is the more I personally question their motive. It's a reasonable thing to talk about calmly.