Foglesong Press Release
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to explain why he was leaving or was it designed to toot his own horn? Regardless, if his stats are taken as true, he did some really good things for the University. I think his time had indeed passed though and its time for the rejuvinated MSU to be lead by someone else. Im just scared of who the IHL will choose.
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Maroon Eagle said:
So basically the 7% of the faculty that were vocal or "non-happy" about the change....are what run him off?</p>
...is that he's seeming to say, "Hey, I accepted a challenge, beat it, and now I'm moving on because I'm bored. <Rule 17> you all. You're on your own now." With someone new coming in, we risk all of the good things done the last couple of years being un-done. Its going to take some time for a new president to get up to speed. We are definitely going to need someone with experience and a good track record with enrollment management. I don't know much about the Mississippi IHL Board, but from what I've heard here and elsewhere, I'm not going to hold my breath.
This is all well and good and everything, but it is a little tough to swallow.
Basically, he's saying..."I took the heat to bring change to MSU, achieved my goals, and now will get out of the way and let someone else move forward without having to put up with a lot of the b-s that comes with change." And while I agree with that thinking, it's tough to fully buy into his comments, only because we don't know who the next President will be. How do we know the next person will have the same priorities as Doc...if someone was standing by and fully onboard with his philosphy, no problem. I promise there will be as many **** storms to endure for the new Prez.
Basically, he's saying..."I took the heat to bring change to MSU, achieved my goals, and now will get out of the way and let someone else move forward without having to put up with a lot of the b-s that comes with change." And while I agree with that thinking, it's tough to fully buy into his comments, only because we don't know who the next President will be. How do we know the next person will have the same priorities as Doc...if someone was standing by and fully onboard with his philosphy, no problem. I promise there will be as many **** storms to endure for the new Prez.
I know this personally. A respected expert in my field, I was brought in to help an organization that was struggling. But I was seen as a threat. A threat to job security, comfort zones, and fragile sand castles of power. Some reforms were made, but not enough. The establishment of grunts would rather steep in sub-mediocrity than have their paradigms shaken. And in farily short order, I was out of there.
it reminds me of this gem from Good Morning Vietnam: "Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P."
back on topic:
i am one who likes doc's initiatives. the campus looks great and he accomplished a bunch of things while here even if he went about it in a military way. but i also think he is making the right decision to leave in theory but that it probably won't help in practice. in theory, he was starting to become counterproductive to the initiatives he set out to do, so it would be better for him to leave now. major changes had been made in many areas but the anger from faculty, students, and staff was building to the point of all of those initiatives taking a nose dive. so again in theory someone else could come in with a clean slate and keep things going in the same direction that has been set forth by the 2015 campaign and at the same time people wouldn't hate this person. the problem is that in practice I, first, don't trust the IHL to select the right person for that job, and second, i think there are way too many chiefs and not enough indians at most universities so there will be people fighting the new president no matter who the ultimately choose.
so we would have likely been better off if he had stayed at least the 4 years. at least we know he was getting **** done. who knows what the next person will be able to do.
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i am one who likes doc's initiatives. the campus looks great and he accomplished a bunch of things while here even if he went about it in a military way. but i also think he is making the right decision to leave in theory but that it probably won't help in practice. in theory, he was starting to become counterproductive to the initiatives he set out to do, so it would be better for him to leave now. major changes had been made in many areas but the anger from faculty, students, and staff was building to the point of all of those initiatives taking a nose dive. so again in theory someone else could come in with a clean slate and keep things going in the same direction that has been set forth by the 2015 campaign and at the same time people wouldn't hate this person. the problem is that in practice I, first, don't trust the IHL to select the right person for that job, and second, i think there are way too many chiefs and not enough indians at most universities so there will be people fighting the new president no matter who the ultimately choose.
so we would have likely been better off if he had stayed at least the 4 years. at least we know he was getting **** done. who knows what the next person will be able to do.
I agree. I think he did a lot of good while he was here. The university as a whole has been satisfied with mediocrity for too long. I just hope that the next president is a industrious person also. I don't know if Doc saw this new way of doing things far enough down the road for it to manage itself. I worry that a passive president would let us slip back into our old ways. He can do it by kicking *** or kissing ***, I don't care. I just want people motivated.
imminteract007 said:
82% of the Faculty-staff are happy/satisfied
11% of the Faculty -staff could give two ***** either way
That brings us to 93% of the faculty-staff are either happy/satisfied or could give two *****
Wouldnt this mean that 7% of the faculty-staff is disgruntled - not happy?
If there is new class that McClure is teaching that the pack hasnt heard about.....by all means please share</p>
beachbumdawg said:
There is one problem, though. The way in which the results were given...is flawed.
You don't know it was exclusively faculty, or staff...or students. They say the percentages are out of combined faculty, students, and staff...but that could mean 98 percent students and 2 percent faculty.
We need the full release of the information to have an accurate representation of the facts here.
You can't say 7 percent of the faculty didn't like him when it's more likely that the number of respondents were mostly students. In fact, I can't even speculate because nobody has the accurate percentages.</p>And it wasn't 82 percent.
From the news release:
--84.5 percent agree or strongly agree the university is moving forward, with an additional 10 percent expressing no opinion. (again, out of combined faculty, staff, and students...not just exclusively faculty)</p>
--80.2 percent believe they are treated with respect and fairness (an additional 11.5 percent is undecided), while 72.9 percent indicate they look forward to going to work (18.5 percent undecided) (combined again, not exclusively faculty)</p>
--82.9 percent say faculty members are committed to student learning (12.4 percent undecided) and 84 percent agree or strongly agree that they have confidence in the faculty (11.9 percent undecided) (combined)
Chances are that the faculty is indeed happy, but we need a full spectrum of results and the context for which those results are given to see accurate results.</p>
Remember Doc's calling MSU Plan B?<div>
</div><div>Here's what he was getting paid to be a director of Massey Energy, the company that owns that mine in West Virginia where 29 miners were killed.</div><div>
</div><div>http://people.forbes.com/...robert-h-foglesong/16697</div><div>
</div><div>Note what he was getting paid while president at MSU. Massey Energy paid him almost half what his MSU salary was. Kindof hard to focus solely on the campus when you're getting paid $200 grand from another job.</div><div>
</div><div>This isn't a flame war here, just food for thought. I, for one, had no idea he was getting paid that much from his other projects.</div>
</div><div>Here's what he was getting paid to be a director of Massey Energy, the company that owns that mine in West Virginia where 29 miners were killed.</div><div>
</div><div>http://people.forbes.com/...robert-h-foglesong/16697</div><div>
</div><div>Note what he was getting paid while president at MSU. Massey Energy paid him almost half what his MSU salary was. Kindof hard to focus solely on the campus when you're getting paid $200 grand from another job.</div><div>
</div><div>This isn't a flame war here, just food for thought. I, for one, had no idea he was getting paid that much from his other projects.</div>
