Absolutely. Chambliss was intelligent scouting based on research, Krom was a panic move for PR reasons.
Football apathy
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Now do what the 2023 Ole Miss staff paid Spencer Sanders and Walker Howard.
We let MVB walk after he asked for 2 million dollars and signed Krom for about 500K.
If Lebby went 11-2 and 6-2 in the SEC, I doubt anyone would care if we spent $5 million in the prior offseason on another year of eligibility for Michael 17ing Henig.
But when you’re nearly winless against anyone in your weight class for 2 years, splurging on a completely worthless 3rd string QB with what is probably the lowest NIL budget in your conference is going to attract a lot of negative attention….if that is in fact what happened. And I’m not saying for certain that it did, but others on here have.
That’s not the point. The point is you were comparing the dumbass waste of money on a backup QB (which honestly I don’t like either) to the incredible roster management of St Kiffin and his loveable dog. The fact is they payed a shitload of NIL money for 200 yards and 3 TDs in garbage time in 2023. That would have been money used wisely in other places. But they did the same thing we did. Worried about Dart’s health at the end of 2022 so felt like they needed a contingency in case he couldn’t finish 2023.
Lebby should get criticized for bringing back Shapen far more than bringing in Krom. With Shapen’s injury history he was forced to bring in someone like Krom (who was planning on being the 2nd team QB) because Shapen had not shown he could be healthy for an entire year and he had not even seen KT against a college defense in practice yet when Krom was recruited. Lebby deserves blame because it stops with him, but if you do decide on Shapen as your guy you had to go get someone that you feel would be competent outside a true freshman who hadn’t even practiced yet. Once spring practice happened it was obvious that he made a mistake with Krom because KT was good enough to be serviceable in the event of an injury but that is hindsight. It’s also the reason he gets paid 4 million dollars a year to not make those mistakes.
This is where I am. You decided to go with Shapen again so you had to go get someone else and spend more money.
My original point that we could have spent a lot less on a guy that we hoped would be 3rd string (and was). We weren’t 2023 Ole Miss. They had a stacked roster, and an injury to the starting QB was about the only way it could go sideways. So, they addressed that. In contrast, we had a roster with holes all over the damn place, and were really just trying to win 6 if we could. 10-11 win season was a pipe dream. But one place we didn’t have a huge hole was QB. We had a 2.5 year P4 starter back, and a highly rated freshmen already who could back him up (and eventually start). Spending more money on a 3rd QB instead of addressing the huge holes on OL/DL could have been a big part in what kept us from getting 6-7 wins, if that’s what happened. If OM didn’t pay for Sanders….and instead went after another WR or something….are they 12-1 or 13-0? I kinda doubt it.
Now, did OM overpay? Probably. But I honestly didn’t follow what they paid Sanders, or follow who else was interested. I didn’t remember him being very good, so his departure from OSU could have also been mutual.
They didn’t have a Kamario Taylor in the wings, so they did what was necessary as a hedge. I don’t know what they spent. I do know Chambliss couldn’t have cost them hardly anything.
It amuses me how folks who don't care about football continue to post about football. If you don't care, don't post, there's plenty of us who do care and who like football, including bowl games. Yes, I know many of you also claim to not care about bowl games, well just don't watch them, there's no need to continue to tell us you don't care. There's plenty of other hobbies out there.
They went out and got Walker Howard too who was a higher rated QB than Kamario Taylor. Maybe he was only brought in to take care of his daughter and his fake dog? I don’t know. That’s my point. Teams make boneheaded decisions in this portal era and Ole Miss is not immune. Yes, they won with their evaluation of Chambliss and if you think it’s because they have some magical powers fine. But if you asked 130 offensive coordinators in CFB who was going to have the bigger year Chambliss or Arch Manning, every one of them would pick Arch, including Weis Jr. Shít just works out some times. I also want to reiterate, I think signing Kromenhock was dumb, I just disagree with the fact that Ole Miss’s coaching staff bats 1.000.
Thank God none of you are watching the Alamo Bowl, you would have strained your vagína if you saw the catch that was just made.
Exactly. 77 wants more people to be involved but he hasn’t given me any reason to trust him as a communicator re: NIL.
Emotional pleas ain’t enough.
I wouldn't devote a full week of spring practice vs a team like this. Maybe 2-3 days. Heck, either one of the Dakota or Montana schools could likely beat us. Wouldn't you rather see a real game on SBW that would likely sell out vs a dull boring version of a half-*** spring game? I know I would. And if we wanted to add a few more days to prepare.....just do it. What's the NCAA gonna do about it?......Answer: Nothing!
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I felt like this was appropriate.
Do you think that the complaining could have just a little bit to do with us going 5-7, 2-10, 5-7 "last year and the year before" and the year before that, 5-19 in SEC during that span? Maybe its not that the complaints are about college football, maybe its about MSU football, maybe its because they are tired of MSU being the butt of all jokes, because if you are happy with that span of MSU football, then you are the apathetic puzzy azz cuntshit........
Howard may have been more highly rated than Taylor out of HS, but by the time OM landed him it was already known that the rating was bogus. He was running like 3rd or 4th string at LSU. He didn’t even see the field at La Monroe this past season. I have a hard time believing that he was some huge investment. It’s pretty certain that LSU told him in very plain terms that he wasn’t going to ever see the field there….and they were an inferior program to OM at that time.
Define “bone-headed” decisions. You can’t know what’s bone-headed and what isn’t without knowing the numbers.
OM knew they had nothing behind Dart in 2023, and were in trouble if he got hurt. He didn’t get hurt, so it was a non-issue. But that still doesn’t make it bone-headed to spend up on a serviceable back-up just in case it does happen. And again, I don’t think Howard cost them much at all.
That’s the thing. I don’t even think they won in the “evaluation” of Chambliss. He’s not some ultra-talented diamond in the rough that everyone just missed on. He’s on nobody’s draft board, in spite of the year he just put up in the SEC….which tells you that the real story is that Kiffin’s system drastically raises the ceiling for very average QB’s. That’s what happened with Chambliss, and that’s what would have happened with Sanders if they ever actually needed him. And ultimately, that’s why Kiffin is getting $91 million guaranteed, and why he kept inexplicably getting 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances as a HC after 17ing up time after time..because that level of offensive acumen and productivity is super rare. Put Arch at OM and Chambliss at Texas, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Arch won the Heisman and Chambliss looked like Shapen or Lagway.
I think we had all hoped that the same would hold true for Lebby, even if not to the same extent as Kiffin. But it just hasn’t happened.
I don’t think they bat 1.000 either, but they didn’t even have to at QB while Kiffin was there. We seem to mostly agree on LK….although my opinion on that is heavily tied to how much it cost us, which I don’t know. If it only cost us like $200k to bring him in, that’s not a huge deal. He’d be similar to what Howard was for OM in that regard.
I have zero issues with people that have State football apathy. I am the same way with basketball. Of course I don’t post non stop about how little I care about it in every basketball thread.
I am talking about the same people that say they don’t care about college football over and over again. I guess the one thing I didn’t consider is I’m a sicko. State’s success makes college football more enjoyable for me but I still love it regardless. My friends are all the same way. That’s my mistake to assume everyone that has been State football fans for a long time are that way. If your interest for the game as a whole always has wained when State sucks then I understand the apathy. It’s just people over the last several years have constantly complained about the changes and how they don’t care anymore, yet they keep posting. If you enjoyed random bowl games 10 years, between the kickoff and final whistle it’s the same experience today. Except now they eat a giant Pop Tart.
Sun Bowl is a track meet/Devil fight.
An 8-4 team we beat is in a tight one against the 8-5 ACC Champs.
An 8-4 team we beat is in a tight one against the 8-5 ACC Champs.
An exhibition game like watching a bunch of washed up baseball alums play a pick up game? I believe that happened a few months ago and was a complete sell out at DNF. State fans just try to deflect from not liking football. That's the real problem.