But as Bob has said, you need money to bring guys in, and where do you get the money to bring 6-8 Spencers into the HWC? NLWC has that kind of money. HWC doesn’t. You can emphasize the importance of HWC as much as you want, but without a massive funding increase, you’re not going to attract that type of talent.
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DSJ, Metcalf, Ramos, & Gilman and the Brands are all cut from the same cloth. They fight with with anybody that isnt with them.
I guess I’m saying all the dollars that were used to pay transfers could have instead been spent on the HWC. Short term pain for long term gain. And if there was a published strategy to recruit US Team members, with the idea of, “It takes $500k to bring in a top talent, won’t you help by donating $20/month,“ I think that might work. I don’t have all the answers, it’s just an idea.
Money is certainly apart of it but its also coaches and results. PSU has all 3. HWC wont get serious sthletes to join regardless of the $$$ if no contemporary winning coaches are on staff. Dan dennis aint it, either was chris perry. It’s been yrs since hwc was relevant. Yes TT was some of best ever. I’d even say Tom and Terry brands were two guys that came out of the 80s and 90s that would still win today with their style.
However, I don’t think either one of them are the answers to building HWC back to prominence.
Keep making excuses if it makes you feel better. 2 individuals have won national titles in the last 10 years. One recruit. One hired gun.
Edit to say Corey Clark
two recruits and one hired gun. three Champs in the last 10 years. Absolutely unacceptable
Edit to say Corey Clark
two recruits and one hired gun. three Champs in the last 10 years. Absolutely unacceptable
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To put it in perspective. If Lilledahl wins 125 and Barr wins 197, Penn State will have won all 10 weights more recently than Iowa.
Wait…….you pay for this board?????
Ok if you prefer the word rape for Andrew long we can include rapist for PSU.
It's more than money. Bob likes to keep preaching that. Does the ISU wrestling program that just beat Iowa have a bigger donor than Bobby? Kids see results, they see regression, they see culture. They look at the RTC members.
Oh no it's all about money, peds and not breaking the rules.
This is by far the most entertaining wrestling board out there. Nothing but excuses and accusations....without accepting reality. Carry on hawkfans, y'all entertain the masses...
That we can agree on.
The $ amount i heard at the salute from the parents the iowa community can't afford and one donor is not even close enough.
You are correct. So there's been 3 in 10 years. Absolutely unacceptable results for a program like Iowa. Keep licking their boots though boys. It's all about money,peds and breaking the rules
Yes, and to get and keep RTC members kids want to train with takes a lot of money. ISU happens to have their best team in years, kids aren’t flocking there thinking Dresser has finally figured out results and culture
I don’t disagree with this at all. Focusing on making the HWC better would definitely help, and maybe this is the way to do it.
this is my biggest complaint. Fine you cant catch PSU, can you at least produce individual champs at Iowa?
Give it up. 2020 wouldn't have been close. Everybody knows it, some just won't admit it.
There have been several over the years, some just training, some competing. None on a level to make the USA team though.
You mean actually "leveling the playing field"? This is exactly why DT has been so successful so quickly at OSU. It's not just the money, it's that coming from Penn State, DT understands the whole deal from the youth academy to the RTC to the MMA academy to the proper training and weight management to coaching to competition, etc. Bob can keep buying semicompetitive teams every year but just throwing money at the portal is only going to slow the slide. OSU is going to be the clear #2 by next year at the latest, knocking on the door to the throne, and when they take that spot, you can bet the hottest names on the coaching market are going to be Nolf and Nick Lee and Retherford and Mark Hall (and Casey #1 if he wants to leave at all - you could get an AA caliber 184 with him, too...). Will Iowa jump at one of them or just keep doing the same thing?
I love this argument without the full context. Iowa has had at least one FINALIST every single year that the Brands have coached...
Look, I have never been against wanting more. I completely understand every Iowa fan wanting that. My argument is simply that Iowa is NOWHERE near as bad as many on here like to portray. It is simply that PSU is so incredible in comparison.
One of the best analogies I can think of is taking a super hard class that is graded on a curve. Over the course of many years the teacher almost never has someone score over an 85 on the test and then Sheldon Cooper(PSU) shows up and scores a 99.9 and blows up the curve.
Everyone lives in the glory days of Gable trying to compare Brands, but I am telling you it is even hard to compare Gable's run to what PSU has become. They are simply on a historic run. Go back and look at Gable's teams. He still had down years. He still lost duals. PSU not only shattered the scoring record but they are putting out teams that can KEEP beating that record. That simply isn't normal and any realistic comparison is going to fall woefully short...
The truth heavily comes down to whether or not there are things that the Brands can do that they refuse to do or if those are things they can't do, because they aren't allowed to do them.
This is beyond comical. The MAIN reason he has had immediate success is MONEY, PERIOD! Hell, his major donor just single handedly funded the new National Duals, LMFAO....
Ignoring the money for both PSU and OkState is akin to burying your entire body in the sand. Yes, PSU doesn't need it nearly as much now, but that is because the money helped build them into juggernaught status in nearly every aspect. You are beyond delusional if you don't think Iowa under the Brands could have considerably better(I am not saying as good because Sanderson and his staff are the best there is) results than they have had, if they had the same resources, compliance and athletic departments...
To be clear, Bob has money that over 99% wished they had. However, when you compare that money to billionaires, the difference becomes exponentially larger than even comparing the more wealthy that post on this site to just Bob...
I normally say you should never count someone else's money, but this exercise requires it. According to public records, which I am sure are not exact, Richison could donate 1.3 billion to OkState and STILL have more money than Bob, just think about that for a second before saying money isn't relevant...
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Yep. Culture, recruiting, technique, etc are all vitally important ingredients, but at least in the current environment, money is the straw that stirs the drink and makes it all come together
I can sum up every MSU158 response to save everyone the time reading how long his posts are because he's been beating the same drum as an outsider for over a decade on these boards.
Iowa fans should be happy with Brands and finishing 4th because we are all spoiled from the Gable years and we are unrealistic to believe it can get any better than it currently is.
But seems the new one is: Worship Bob because its impossible to every gather up any new donors if a coaching change were to take place.
Never change MSU158!
Iowa fans should be happy with Brands and finishing 4th because we are all spoiled from the Gable years and we are unrealistic to believe it can get any better than it currently is.
But seems the new one is: Worship Bob because its impossible to every gather up any new donors if a coaching change were to take place.
Never change MSU158!
Could’ve used the money from the wrestling dungeon and tunnel towards making the RTC better and more desirable for top recruits. Winning a national title isn’t the pinnacle for the top level talent. They have world and Olympic aspirations
As far as the donation thing. A new coach brings in fresh air. It enterally likely that Beth will stir up new money from both current and new donors to aid in the hire of this new coach. It could come from just supporters of the Iowa program in general even if they aren't exactly wrestling only donors.
Does it dawn on some of you that some current friends of the program will not open the purse because they do not like the Brands antics or think they are too unhinged & combative for their likes?
And this far into the Brands legacy they see the end of the run is near so I will just hold of on any donations. You don't need to find one million dollar donor. It can be a lot of $25k- $100k donors who want to support someone they believe in. Why keep spending money on an old car to keep repairing it when that cost is getting to the point you should look for a new car?
As for the HWC. I agree in investing but not under the current landscape. Nobody wants to give money to Dennis. And even if they did you cant find the right guys to teach anything Brands wont approve of. Again he is a control freak and not open to anything that goes against his stubborn view of how you win at wrestling. So even if an Askren said I will take the top assistant job. Tom couldnt handle what would be taught guys. He would freak out on Ben. Thats not how we do it!!!!!!!!!!
Does it dawn on some of you that some current friends of the program will not open the purse because they do not like the Brands antics or think they are too unhinged & combative for their likes?
And this far into the Brands legacy they see the end of the run is near so I will just hold of on any donations. You don't need to find one million dollar donor. It can be a lot of $25k- $100k donors who want to support someone they believe in. Why keep spending money on an old car to keep repairing it when that cost is getting to the point you should look for a new car?
As for the HWC. I agree in investing but not under the current landscape. Nobody wants to give money to Dennis. And even if they did you cant find the right guys to teach anything Brands wont approve of. Again he is a control freak and not open to anything that goes against his stubborn view of how you win at wrestling. So even if an Askren said I will take the top assistant job. Tom couldnt handle what would be taught guys. He would freak out on Ben. Thats not how we do it!!!!!!!!!!
Says the guy that thinks there is no weight class between 197 and 285 because little guys control wrestling, while ignoring every high school participation stat possible that shows it not only isn't needed, but it would make 197 and 285 worse, when they are already at or near the bottom of the 10 weight classes to begin with...
Also, its not like your posts are short, while full of incessant whining. Maybe try some self reflection techniques....
One million seconds - 11.5 days. One billion seconds - 31.5 years. I have no idea what Iowa's major donor has in his war chest, but even 100 millions seconds is just 3.17 years. The difference in wealth is stunning and cannot be disregarded.
You're the definition of "Can't see the forest for the trees"
Thanks for the fond reminder of good times.
That someone can either take the remainder of the semester off, if they are only about the final grade, or continue to pour it on.
I don't see Cael as the kind to take off.
Thanks for stopping by pedoThis is by far the most entertaining wrestling board out there. Nothing but excuses and accusations....without accepting reality. Carry on hawkfans, y'all entertain the masses...
I have no issue with your response, however you completely changed what I typed and still show it as a direct quote! Your new name is "Fake News"!!!
Seeing things as clearly as can reasonably be expected is my SUPERPOWER. Please try again...