For all those who are negative on the focus we put on baseball
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I agree, but she's sho cashing in on being nuts and ruthless.
And the first lady of France is still a man.
WE care about it. Pretty much all of the rest of the SEC & ACC does too. Who gives a 17 about the rest of the country?
It's a niche sport in the B1G or the Big East. It's not a niche sport in the SEC. You only make yourself look more foolish everytime you suggest otherwise.
So 1-3M deficits isn't really anything to get worked up in the grand scheme of things. That by itself wouldn't move the needle if we boarded up shop and football had less to subsidize.
If the general NIL bucket is being irrationally allocated to baseball, then I think we have a gripe. I don't think we will ever be given that info though.
Not really. It's a fun game to go to, but very few fan bases in the SEC or ACC really CARE about it.
You would have a heart attack if we had a black baseball coach. Enjoy your Lilly white club sport and continue to bash a good AD because you can’t stand it
Who are you pulling for in our game against Hofstra tonight? I'm assuming you either want State to lose or don't care. Correct?
Actually football is the niche sport.
There are 365 schools in Division 1
309 Division 1 schools play baseball
266 Division 1 schools play football
And 361 D1 schools play basketball so here’s your chance to lord it over everyone, basketball fans…
If baseball was self sustaining or at least break even that’s maybe one thing. But it’s not. Even after the 2021 title and Dudy Noble sellouts, it still loses money. That means every NIL dollar spent on baseball is subsidized by football revenue, SEC distributions, and general athletic funds- which are funds that could and should be reinvested in the sport that actually pays the bills. You say “it wouldn’t move the needle” if we killed baseball and gave the money to football. Maybe not overnight but over 3-5 years absolutely it would.
More NIL for football would better recruits, better depth, fewer 5-7 seasons, more bowl games, more TV revenue, more donor momentum ect. That’s a compounding effect baseball can’t match- and that’s a fact Jack.
The ESPN deal pays the bill, win or lose. You lose more by dumping millions into football. Ask Jerry Jones.
Now pay attention……THIS is how you project your insecurities on others. I think you just revealed why you hate baseball so much, and why you hate it in your own head.
9 out of 10 State grads don't care about football or basketball either.
Jerry Jones? Bad example. Jerry’s Cowboys are a cash printing machine because he invests heavily in football- He’s turned them into one of the most valuable sports franchises on Earth by investing into them. Saying “the ESPN deal pays it anyway” is like saying “the rich uncle covers the tab”- Sure ok, but why keep spending on a losing side hustle or business when you could invest more and more in the family business that actually makes the money? Jerry Jones would never run his franchise that way. Mississippi State shouldn’t either.
Prime example of why you should not eat paint chips.
Jerry would say, “You think I got the Cowboys to the most valuable franchise in sports dumping money into the side show when the main event is struggling. No sir. I invest where it returns. Football first, football always. Look here son, football is the cash cow, the engine, the whole damn reason anybody cares about your athletic department in the first place. Quit playing checkers with NIL and start playing chess with football. Put the money where the money comes from. Anything less is just wasting time and talent on a hobby while the real business suffers.”
It is not a zero sum deal. Baseball gives us national attention. Baseball earns it's money at State. If Baseball didn't exist, you wouldn't have the money that baseball spends in the first place. There are people that donate that earmark their money for baseball. We just had 13,000 people show up to opening day against Hofstra. We had a full stadium for an Alumni game this fall.
News Flash, we are not Alabama.
News Flash, we are not Alabama.
Exactly. If we dropped baseball 95% of that revenue just disappears. It doesn’t go to other sports.
Even with all that that revenue it still loses money. It does NOT pay its own way.
No. Baseball loses money at State. Even in its best years the baseball program runs annual deficits of $1–3 million. Those “13,000 at opening day” and “full stadium for alumni game” are nice- but even all that doesn’t come close to covering the full cost. It is zero sum for the athletic department’s budget. No we’re not Alabama- they win everywhere because they invest disproportionately in football, which funds the empire. Baseball’s national attention is nice, not near as many people care as you think- but and football’s national attention and revenue is necessary- Alabama understands that. We don’t.
That money could have been earmarked for football in the first place if the athletic department and the collective had been prioritizing football from the start. Donors follow the program that’s winning, visible, and exciting. Right now, baseball is the shiny toy getting those NIL checks and all the hype that should be going to football. Football is the one that actually makes the department money- yet it’s getting shortchanged in the NIL. Dropping baseball would obviously lose that earmarked cash- but never building football into the kind of program that attracts the same level of earmarked passion and big checks is the real failure. The athletic department has been choosing to let baseball eat up the spotlight and the NIL dollars. Pretending “earmarked money” is sacred and untouchable just excuses bad resource allocation. $1–3M baseball deficit every year adds up fast. Allowing earmarked baseball money being locked up like a trust fund for a losing sport is doing it backwards. Football money actually multiplies. Any basic economics would tell you to invest in the multiplier, not the money pit. Let them keep their money and stop dragging the whole athletic department down with it.
Well then become a billionaire like Mark Cuban and that will solve everything like it did for Indiana. That is the only way we get to be like Alabama.
And by national attention you mean if we make the title game we get 1/10 of the audience that watches figure skating. Just so we’re being clear. Last year’s title series averaged 2.5 million viewers per game. Women’s figure skating drew 26 million. I think it’s important to quantify what we mean by national attention.
You can do the billionaire thing too. Then we will really be in good shape.
No it couldn’t be earmarked for football. It wouldn’t be there. You’re b*tching about a break even sport. If we didn’t invest in it, we’d still have to spend money on it (or a replacement sport) but we’d lose the revenue it generates.
Still mad. Hahaha. Love it.
Type me another long paragraph about how stupid it is. I can’t get enough of it. I’ll read it in my chair backs while sipping a frosty brew at the best college ballpark in the world. Can’t wait.
Type me another long paragraph about how stupid it is. I can’t get enough of it. I’ll read it in my chair backs while sipping a frosty brew at the best college ballpark in the world. Can’t wait.
You're an idiot to not realize most of our big money alumni are living in other places. There's nothing more "Poor Ole State" than you're ridiculous take.
Alabama didn’t become Alabama by waiting for a billionaire savior. They got there by prioritizing the actual money maker and investing in it relentlessly so it funds the rest- unlike we have ever done. We’re doing it backwards. We don’t need Cuban money to do the same basic math- We just need better priorities.
Let’s get this straight- Baseball doesn’t “break even.” It loses $1–3 million a year, every year. You’re basically arguing- “We have to keep bleeding money on baseball because if we stop bleeding money, we’ll lose the money we’re bleeding.”
That’s not smart. That’s emotional fanboyism. Call it “b*tching” all you want. I’ll call it basic math and prioritizing the program that actually pays the bills.
I'd like to know how many former football players have luxury boxes at DWS compared to former baseball players.
I know there is at least a couple of former baseball players that have boxes. I don't know of any ex football players. Certainly not any recent former football players.
I know there is at least a couple of former baseball players that have boxes. I don't know of any ex football players. Certainly not any recent former football players.
Cuban didn’t start giving to IU until this year. This idea that he’s been giving is false. State baseball hasn’t made a profit in years, including before the new stadium. The baseball fans love to say we will make Rev when the stadium is paid off is also factually incorrect. We are taking a large amount of Rev share more than anyone else in the SEC and giving it to baseball. Which is dumb, guess where those corners are being cut… football and basketball. Actual Rev predicting sports. UVA cut funding to baseball and damn near made the playoffs after abysmal performance before this year…. That’s not a coincidence. Their baseball coach is here now and in game one… 3 hits and a one run win… 3MM well spent…. Not exactly what you invest in…
I know you played but this isn’t 1998, or hell even 2021. The landscape of college athletics has changed. We must change baseball isn’t and shouldn’t get the money investment and influence it does.
Men’s basketball lost $2MM last year & women’s basketball lost $4MM. Yet you’re complaining about a program that generates revenue to cover at least 80-90% of its expenses. You cut those expenses & that revenue will dry up so you won’t be any better off.
Only because John Cohen built the stadium. That stadium pays off in less than 15 years, but that's still a loss and one that hits us at the worst possible time. Otherwise, baseball makes money every single season.
Rather than boring everybody here with more name calling and arguing, I'll just ask you to point out any measure of school wealth or athletic department wealth that puts us in a good light vs the other 15 SEC schools.
The easiest thing I could come up with was endowments and every measure I could find has us and Ole Miss in the 14th to 16th place ranking range out of 16 schools. I didn't find that surprising. Maybe you do.
Well, we are in the sec. We will have a baseball program. So you can pull money from baseball to allocate to football. Then you'll have a $5m loss for baseball, a sorry baseball program and still have a sorry football program.
There are just to many fundamental issues to over come for State to be Alabama in football.
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