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Drebin

Drebin

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I'm sick of the Cam BS that's been bouncing around on your boards. Here are the facts:

1. MSU didn't offer Cam money. Cam's father had his hand out soliciting money for Cam. According to him, the going price was 200K, but he was willing to give us a discount because this is where Cam wanted to be.

2. MSU's turning that info into the SEC office and eventually the NCAA had nothing to do with Auburn. It had everything to do with reporting the situation from a MSU perspective and following the rules.

3. The SEC office tried to squash it because Cam was a Heisman candidate and Auburn was having a dream season at the time.

4. The SEC never fully exonerated Auburn. Their finding was that Cam didn't have knowledge of what his father was doing, so they weren't going to penalize him for his father's improprieties.

5. Cam himself, said he wanted to come to MSU, but Cecil chose Auburn "because the money was too much."



For posterity's sake:

1. It defies logic to believe that Cam's dad operated without his knowledge. It doesn't pass the sniff test.
2. It defies logic to believe that Cam and his dad passed up 200K paydays at other places to play at Auburn for free.
3. It defies logic to believe that over the course of a week, with no official visit, Cam flipped from State to Auburn, without something shady going on.


Auburn, keep on doing Auburn things. I, for one, can't wait for the payback this Saturday.
 
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PiedmontDawg

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BUMP 17 your fans, your bird, your coaches (who consistently complain), pat dye, & cam and cecil
 
Seinfeld

Seinfeld

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Is my memory fading or is it not true that Auburn was also not even in the picture up until one or two of their Top returning QBs got injured prior to the season? For some reason, I feel like we went from battling Oklahoma for Newton to this sudden desperate blitz krieg from Auburn at the 11th hour.
 
Xenomorph

Xenomorph

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Feb 15, 2007
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Oklahoma was still recruiting him but it was a foregone conclusion that he had committed to Mullen. Then on like... Dec. 26th-ish.. We started hearing rumors that "something has happened with Auburn". Then boom. New Year's Eve he commits to them.

What followed was 12 months of a total shitstorm where we reported the situation and ended up looking like fools.

History will ultimately be rewritten to the narrative of something general like... "I remember when MSU offered Cam Newton $180K but he went to Auburn instead"

17. Auburn.
 
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UpTheMiddlex3Punt

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I can believe that Cam operated with willful ignorance (not that I do believe it, but it's the only plausible way Cam "didn't know"), that is knowing that something is going on but wanting to know as few details as possible. Had we been offering money in December of '09 and Cecil were the honorable man they're claiming him to be and decided to report us, our program would have been killed before the new year.
 
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uptowndawg

uptowndawg

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JoseyWales34

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Drebin said:
I'm sick of the Cam BS that's been bouncing around on your boards. Here are the facts:

1. MSU didn't offer Cam money. Cam's father had his hand out soliciting money for Cam. According to him, the going price was 200K, but he was willing to give us a discount because this is where Cam wanted to be.

2. MSU's turning that info into the SEC office and eventually the NCAA had nothing to do with Auburn. It had everything to do with reporting the situation from a MSU perspective and following the rules.

3. The SEC office tried to squash it because Cam was a Heisman candidate and Auburn was having a dream season at the time.

4. The SEC never fully exonerated Auburn. Their finding was that Cam didn't have knowledge of what his father was doing, so they weren't going to penalize him for his father's improprieties.

5. Cam himself, said he wanted to come to MSU, but Cecil chose Auburn "because the money was too much."



For posterity's sake:

1. It defies logic to believe that Cam's dad operated without his knowledge. It doesn't pass the sniff test.
2. It defies logic to believe that Cam and his dad passed up 200K paydays at other places to play at Auburn for free.
3. It defies logic to believe that over the course of a week, with no official visit, Cam flipped from State to Auburn, without something shady going on.


Auburn, keep on doing Auburn things. I, for one, can't wait for the payback this Saturday.
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GOLD I hate auburn about as much as i hate ole miss.
 
00Dawg

00Dawg

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Nov 10, 2009
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Their version is that an ex-player of ours was the only person asking for money, and he was trying to make himself out to be a player in Cam's decision.

Busting a hole in that was the NCAA's ruling prior to the SECCG that Cam's father knew of and authored the request for money. Remember, Cam was ruled ineligible by the NCAA, then reinstated.
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...uburn-cam-newton-ncaa-eligible/1#.VDbFgvldWig

Making things even slimier was revelation that even though we reported the problem to the SEC in January, they didn't act on it until July (remember, they blamed us for the delay).
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...am-newton-ineligible-or-face-severe-penalties

Bottom line: the Newtons broke the rules, skating on the (should've been non-existent) thin ice that Cam didn't know about the request, even though the rule was built with that scenario in mind. When you add in the rumored "the money is too much" comment from Cam to Megan Mullen, things get even sketchier.
 
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DancingRabbit

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I believe the SEC put in a "ignorance of what daddy's doing is no excuse rule"

the next year.

In the SI article on Cam, he was quoted as saying that he wanted to go to MSU, but his daddy would make the final decision.

BUT, you're wasting your time with them. The Auburn online community (I've met some nice Auburn folks in person) is the most deluded hypocritical bunch I've ever seen (and that's saying something).

17 'em. We'll get a measure of payback on Saturday.
 
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jb1020

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that gif needs to be a gameday sign

His big **** eating grin with the words "its an ongoing investigation" on it. #allin
 
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Dawgzilla

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The SEC already had that rule. That is the only thing that still gets under my skin about the whole thing. The NCAA did not have an express rule against a family member asking for extra benefits, but there was already an SEC bylaw that said if an athlete, or his family member, or anyone acting on his behalf, asked for extra benefits, then that athlete would be ineligible to compete in the SEC.

When the rulings came out, the NCAA was backed into a corner because even though everyone knew that a family member should not be asking for money, it did not directly violate a rule, and the NCAA didn't want to fight in court over it so Emmert said there was nothing he could do. He doesn't have the same power as, say, Roger Goodell, and he has to follow a certain amount of due process.

But then Slive chimed in, and said there was nothing he could do, either. First of all, Slive DOES have the power of Roger Goodell, and he can pretty much suspend any player he wants. Second, he had an actual bylaw he could cite in handing down the punishment. When he was asked about the bylaw, Slive just said that the bylaw had never been enforced before and he didn't think it was appropriate to apply it in a situation like this, particularly since there was no NCAA violation.

I was incensed at Slive at the time, but I've gotten over it. I like to think that, if all of this had come to a head in the Summer of 2010, then Slive would have suspended Cam for a game or two at the start of the season and all would be well. But, instead, he was faced with having to make a decision about the leading Heisman candidate for an undefeated team during the week of the SEC Championship game. If you try to look at it objectively, there was an awful lot at stake for Auburn and the SEC for him to just suddenly try to enforce a little known bylaw, particularly when there was no tangible evidence that Cecil ever got paid. I wouldn't have done it that way, but I can understand his reluctance to act.
 
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Confucius Say

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Dawgzilla said:
The SEC already had that rule. That is the only thing that still gets under my skin about the whole thing. The NCAA did not have an express rule against a family member asking for extra benefits, but there was already an SEC bylaw that said if an athlete, or his family member, or anyone acting on his behalf, asked for extra benefits, then that athlete would be ineligible to compete in the SEC.

When the rulings came out, the NCAA was backed into a corner because even though everyone knew that a family member should not be asking for money, it did not directly violate a rule, and the NCAA didn't want to fight in court over it so Emmert said there was nothing he could do. He doesn't have the same power as, say, Roger Goodell, and he has to follow a certain amount of due process.

But then Slive chimed in, and said there was nothing he could do, either. First of all, Slive DOES have the power of Roger Goodell, and he can pretty much suspend any player he wants. Second, he had an actual bylaw he could cite in handing down the punishment. When he was asked about the bylaw, Slive just said that the bylaw had never been enforced before and he didn't think it was appropriate to apply it in a situation like this, particularly since there was no NCAA violation.

I was incensed at Slive at the time, but I've gotten over it. I like to think that, if all of this had come to a head in the Summer of 2010, then Slive would have suspended Cam for a game or two at the start of the season and all would be well. But, instead, he was faced with having to make a decision about the leading Heisman candidate for an undefeated team during the week of the SEC Championship game. If you try to look at it objectively, there was an awful lot at stake for Auburn and the SEC for him to just suddenly try to enforce a little known bylaw, particularly when there was no tangible evidence that Cecil ever got paid. I wouldn't have done it that way, but I can understand his reluctance to act.
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I can't. Its called integrity, the greatest definition of which is doing what you know is right even when it will be to your detriment. And I guarantee you that if it came out tomorrow that Dak's dad (not to speak ill of the man, just an example) solicited 180k, or hell even 1k, from any school for Dak's services (which is what Cecil admitted to doing), Dak would be suspended by the SEC before TMZ could run the story.
 
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