Arkansas is probably the 3rd best job in the SEC and they have tried to hire mid-major successes and as of right now it isn't looking good for them. I thought Pelphrey was a bad hire from the beginning. He still will get another year to prove himself and will probably do good enough to keep his job next year. I will give our job the 9th most desirable job in the SEC due to the success Williams had and the consistent success that Stansbury has had. That is being generous though considering our overall lack of tradition and rank in the SEC in terms of budget. Basketball hires are hard to make in the SEC. Many coaches seem to struggle in this league to have consistent success. Donovan caught lightning in a bottle for a couple of years, but he has struggled some before and after those two years. I believe this year we have a great shot to break through and we will get better as all Stansbury teams do as the season progresses. Also, Stansbury has gotten pretty good players to play at MSU, but he has been unable to get the one NBA stud that most teams need to make noise in the NCAA tournament. If we don't make the NCAA tournament this year, then the class of 2011 will be the class that likely gets us there. You know it's funny when I hear people say that LSU or Alabama or whoever has a better coach. Well, they should have a better coach because the other SEC schools for the most part have the resources to pull in better coaches. The fact is that most of these schools over the past 12 years haven't had better coaches, unless you totally discount Stansbury's records against these coaches head to head. My Rank of Basketball Programs in the SEC based on support, facilities and overall budget: 1. Kentucky 2. Florida 3. Arkansas 4. Tennessee 5. South Carolina 6. Auburn (building a new $92 million facility) 7. LSU 8. Alabama 9. MSU 10. Vanderbilt 11. Georgia 12. Ole Miss
For those wishing for Stansbury to be fired, remember this....
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1. UPig's coach that won them a NC was starting to get his *** beat too when they ran him off- it didnt start with Heath and Pelphrey
2. The Auburn job is not a better job than the State job.
3. Just because a school has more resources, doesnt make it a better job
If you look at recent SEC hires-
Mississippi- Kennedy has led them to the most wins in a 3 year period in their history (Stansbury didnt make the Tourney his 1st 3 years either)- year 4 looks good for them too
LSU- Johnson wins the SEC in his 1st season with a talented team- now he has got to build himself another
SC- Horn- has them playing solidly with a good recruiting class coming in- just signed a 2 yr extention
Kentucky- now has the best coach in the SEC
Bama and Georgia- nobody knows yet
UPig- Pelphrey needs to get his **** together and his players acting right
SEC coaches are getting better...and with Calipari at Kentucky, it just made it tougher at the top</p>
2. The Auburn job is not a better job than the State job.
3. Just because a school has more resources, doesnt make it a better job
If you look at recent SEC hires-
Mississippi- Kennedy has led them to the most wins in a 3 year period in their history (Stansbury didnt make the Tourney his 1st 3 years either)- year 4 looks good for them too
LSU- Johnson wins the SEC in his 1st season with a talented team- now he has got to build himself another
SC- Horn- has them playing solidly with a good recruiting class coming in- just signed a 2 yr extention
Kentucky- now has the best coach in the SEC
Bama and Georgia- nobody knows yet
UPig- Pelphrey needs to get his **** together and his players acting right
SEC coaches are getting better...and with Calipari at Kentucky, it just made it tougher at the top</p>
there will be pressure to make money and winning brings in the money. They will be shopping for a better coach and will pay more than we pay and get a coach that can recruit. Hell, Atlanta is right down the road, Montgomery is even closer and Birmingham is not very far. There is literally no excuse not to recruit good basketball talent to Auburn and win. Auburn is a better job!
3. Just because a school has more resources, doesnt make it a better job
Are you kidding? This is pretty much the definition of better job. More resources to win = Better job You must have an over inflated sense of where MSU actually is in the big picture. We are bottom of the SEC barrel. Greg Byrne is attempting to change that. In the 10 years prior to Byrne the lone person affecting any change for the better at MSU was Rick Stansbury.
Are you kidding? This is pretty much the definition of better job. More resources to win = Better job You must have an over inflated sense of where MSU actually is in the big picture. We are bottom of the SEC barrel. Greg Byrne is attempting to change that. In the 10 years prior to Byrne the lone person affecting any change for the better at MSU was Rick Stansbury.
They weren't having much trouble getting good crowds when they were winning under Cliff Ellis. The Auburn job is twice the job MSU is on potential alone.
If Stansbury was coaching at Auburn and had that recruiting base, we wouldn't be arguing about his lack of success in the NCAA Tournament. Stansbury gets fairly good players, but nothing special. There is a ton of basketball talent in Atlanta, Birmingham and Montgomery. Also, when we start building $92 million dollar basketball facilities, then maybe we can get on that level.
I have the potential to beat up every 8th grade boy in the city of Shreveport- doesnt mean I'm going to do it....
There is nothing to suggest the Auburn job is better than the State job. We win more, we sell more tickets, we recruit better, actual attendance is always higher
Saying that is a better job is totally erroneous</p>
There is nothing to suggest the Auburn job is better than the State job. We win more, we sell more tickets, we recruit better, actual attendance is always higher
Saying that is a better job is totally erroneous</p>
squirldawg said:
the Memphis job in football is better than the Boise State job? Memphis has way more resources to win than Boise. Memphis is in the middle of recruiting Heaven- the South, Boise is secluded and cold....You want to compare their records the last 10 years?
How the 17 does Auburn have more potential than State. The state of Alabama doesn't produce any more talent each year. They have no tradition what-so-ever at Auburn. Just because someone builds a new arena doesn't make them relevant or a GOOD job. By your thinking, Minnesota is now a top job in the Big-10 becaue they have a brand new football stadium.
Ole Miss won more games 1996-1999 under Evans/Barnes than they have under Kennedy. And then in Barnes' first three years, better as well.
1996-97 20-9 11-5 1st-W Rob Evans
1997-98 22-7 12-4 1st-W Rob Evans
1998-99 20-13 8-8 3rd-W Rod Barnes
Totals 62-29
1998-99 20-13 8-8 3rd-W Rod Barnes
1999-2000 19-14 5-11 5th-W Rod Barnes
2000-01 27-8 11-5 1st-W Rod Barnes
Totals 66-35
2006-07 21-13 8-8 T1st-W Andy Kennedy
2007-08 24-11 7-9 3rd-W Andy Kennedy
2008-09 16-15 7-9 T4th-W Andy Kennedy
Totals 61-39
So one more win and ten less losses for Evans/Barnes, then 5 more wins and 4 less losses for Barnes alone, yet somehow Kennedy has been more successful. Or are you saying that 24 win season that includes a trip to the NIT Final Four is better than their one and done NCAA trip?
Edited to correct-Ole Miss did not go to the NCAA tourney in 1998-1999.
1996-97 20-9 11-5 1st-W Rob Evans
1997-98 22-7 12-4 1st-W Rob Evans
1998-99 20-13 8-8 3rd-W Rod Barnes
Totals 62-29
1998-99 20-13 8-8 3rd-W Rod Barnes
1999-2000 19-14 5-11 5th-W Rod Barnes
2000-01 27-8 11-5 1st-W Rod Barnes
Totals 66-35
2006-07 21-13 8-8 T1st-W Andy Kennedy
2007-08 24-11 7-9 3rd-W Andy Kennedy
2008-09 16-15 7-9 T4th-W Andy Kennedy
Totals 61-39
So one more win and ten less losses for Evans/Barnes, then 5 more wins and 4 less losses for Barnes alone, yet somehow Kennedy has been more successful. Or are you saying that 24 win season that includes a trip to the NIT Final Four is better than their one and done NCAA trip?
Edited to correct-Ole Miss did not go to the NCAA tourney in 1998-1999.
The Auburn job is terrible. 25 years ago, maybe not so much, but now our job is better. The new arena will close that gap somewhat, but until Auburn fans and administration show an interest in being relevant in basketball, Auburn will continue to be what they have been. The two good years Cliff Ellis had don't count for much in the grand scheme of things.
Why does DS continue to let this idiot post on here? He knows absolutely nothing about basketball. He has a passing knowledge of football. And he's a complete dick and ******* to everyone.
Talent alone does not get you NCAA success, Stans would still fail to make the Sweet 16 at Auburn. I would easily put MS talent against AL. Also, Bama is a bigger rival in recruiting vs Auburn than UM is to MSU. Stans pretty much owns the state of MS in recruiting, in AL it would not be the same.
That's reaching, even for you...the only way this is a half decent comparison is if each team played a common opponent in a given season. I'm not gonna bother doing the research but if I had to guess I'd say this is damn near apples to oranges...Coach34 said: