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FormerlyHighLifeRebel

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He won't get better offers because Vandy is where good coaches go to die

Nobody wants to admit it. They have the inexplicable ability to attract top up and comers who unsuccessfully try to use Vandy as a stepping stone. The problem is that no SEC school, especially Vanderbilt, is a good stepping stone. It's hard to win no matter who you are, especially if you aren't one of the big 6. Whenever you do climb out of a few losing seasons to get to bowl eligibility, nobody gives a ****.
 
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TSUNBearHunter

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With another bowl season, he is on the first train out of town.

If that bowl season happens, he'll get some good offers.
 
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BiscuitEater

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The local fan support is really sad.
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Nail in the coffin has to be ... the lack of fan support.

Every team, including now Vandy, has players that do stupid things. Franklin has done his part and the 'fans' have not responded. He has taken them to 'back -to- back bowls for first time ever and best record in anyones lifetime. So, if season tickets are down this year, what happens next year or a year when they tank?

I really don't understand this at all because I have seen just a handfull of Vandy Alums get behind the baseball program and really get it moving.

Vanderbilt is unlikely to sell as many football season tickets as last year, and coach James Franklin said he is tired of hearing excuses as to why fans aren’t buying up every available ticket
 
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Franklin is a lot different than any other up and comer that's coached there. He's bringing in recruits the caliber Vandy has never seen, and he's taken Vandy to back to back bowl games. That's never happened before. It won't be in the SEC, but there will be teams showing interst in him IF his teams continue to play like they have.
 
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KurtRambis4

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Vandy's fan

support is pathetic. I've been to a few games there. It appears, from those games, that the few that are there are just there because it beats doing nothing. The majority of their students don't even care about athletics. They're there for an education.

There baseball team really doesn't even get that great of support. I think they near the bottom in the league in attendance. Corbin is the reason they're baseball program is good. Period.
 
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Wicked Pissah

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He makes over 3 million. Not a lot of schools can pay that. I think he is a good coach. You would think more fans would support this year because of the titans being down.
 
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Talking with some Hog fans during their recent coaching search

Franklin was very high on their wish list.

He won't have a problem.
 
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I agree with Franklin completely. Lack of support is the main factor that holds any team back, any where in the country.

I don't know that he'll leave though, I would have thought he'd have left last year after going 6-6 and then 8-4, while losing some good Srs. and his QB.
 
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Heawww

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You're off on this. The logic doesn't add up. If he was on the first train out of town it would have been last year. It seemed like every school in the country with an opening called him.
 
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Heawww

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Agree. Seems he's made a commitment there and now mad that the fans aren't supporting him. Too bad, but I think they are headed for 4 or 5 win territory this year.
 
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Sutterkane

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C'mon, bro. Nobody in Nashville respects Vandy. They are almost ALL UT fans at the end of the day. Yes the titans will suck, but they'll go to Tennessee games or Preds games instead.
 
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Sutterkane

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They'd likely get better fan support if something was done about their stadium. Allegedly according to local sports talk up here, Bobby Johnson stuck around under the impression that they would either build a new stadium or get him better facilities. It never happened. Facilities are just as important as fan support for recruits. And that stadium is a dump. There's seats with partial field view and the tunnels to the seating area from the concourse aren't wide enough for 3 people.
 
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Problem with Vandy is that they don't have a core group of fans that remain local. I'm sure there are plenty of Vandy graduates within a 5 hour radius of Nashville (Bham, Atlanta, Cincy, Memphis), but there are a **** load of Vandy grads in New York, Boston, and LA too. It's tough to expect those people to buy season tickets.

I bet if we did a scatterplot of the US for SEC school's alumni concentration, Vandy grads would be the least geographically concentrated. That's reflected in his season ticket sales.
 
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57stratdawg said:
Problem with Vandy is that they don't have a core group of fans that remain local. I'm sure there are plenty of Vandy graduates within a 5 hour radius of Nashville (Bham, Atlanta, Cincy, Memphis), but there are a **** load of Vandy grads in New York, Boston, and LA too. It's tough to expect those people to buy season tickets.

I bet if we did a scatterplot of the US for SEC school's alumni concentration, Vandy grads would be the least geographically concentrated. That's reflected in his season ticket sales.
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Maybe so. But we're only talking 40,000 season tickets. Alumni may be dispersed, but there's enough in Nashville alone to support that number.
 
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Heawww said:
You're off on this. The logic doesn't add up. If he was on the first train out of town it would have been last year. It seemed like every school in the country with an opening called him.
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Against my better judgement, I will engage with you in this one post. I will state my opinion and then leave this thread alone for you to argue aimlessly.

Franklin's team is dealing with a bunch of drama right now. He is openly bitching about fan support. Did they have a good season last year which may have presented him with SOME opportunities? Yes. Were they the opportunities he wanted? Evidently not.

I am certain that he felt last season's success would help fan support. Now that he sees he isn't getting fan support regardless of success, he's going to bolt if the right opportunity arises, IMO.

You can say logic all you'd like, but what does logic have to do with predicting what someone under several variables will do?

I think he's wanting the right opportunity at a big program where he can have success without the disadvantages of a Vandy or Ark. He turned done Arkansas last year and I don't blame him. It's a recruiting nightmare. It's in the brutal SEC West. He doesn't want to deal with that at Ark, IMO. And to top it off, Ark was determined to hire a bigger name than Franklin. Those lunatics are more concerned with a big splash than the right coach, hence Bielema. I don't think either side was comfortable.

NC State wasn't exactly a step up and they fired a coach who went 7-5. Again, that wouldn't give me the warm fuzzies if I were Franklin. He knows about that program's limitations from his days in the ACC. His name came up in the Cal search, but they couldn't pay what he's worth.

I don't think he is just looking to get out for the sake of getting out. I think he is a smart man who is biding his time for the RIGHT move. In the event of Vandy bowling again this year, he may have that opportunity at the right program.
 
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Drebin said:
Maybe so. But we're only talking 40,000 season tickets. Alumni may be dispersed, but there's enough in Nashville alone to support that number.
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Agreed. I believe what Franklin is really pissed about isn't so much the alumni base as it is the average football fan in Nashville isn't buying Vanderbilt season tickets. He can wake up, because that probably isn't going to happen. The average football fan in town might buy a single game ticket when its a good SEC series, but there won't be many people from Nashville buying Vandy season tickets that didn't go Vandy.
 
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stinkfoot

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Exactly. He acts like Vandy is going to attract a bunch of sidewalk fans...

that are going to get excited over a team w/ a very poor history of success. The fact of the matter is that many of their grads live outside TN and don't give a crap about football, and the locals probably have some built in resentment not to mention alliances to other teams. Plus, the whole gang raping thing tends to hurt public support.
 
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