Frazier gives the board something to talk about for a month

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Fist and second no one out, after frost **** singles, and he ****s. Runnier out at third.

Chaos theory at work.
 

chainedup_Dawg

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Overcame him? The 7th run was put on base by a **** and later batted in...I actually agree with you to some extent on all the ****ing...for instance, I don't agree with ****ing Frazier there but good god, your bitching makes me despise you and your posts
 

ronpolk

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It didn't work out there but that was a textbook ****ing situation.
 

muddawgs

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so you would rather risk a double play than have a runner at 3rd base with less

Glad we overcame Cohen this time. Props to CT and Hunter

than 2 outs down by 1? I think Cohen made the right call even though it didn't work out
 

Will James

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than 2 outs down by 1? I think Cohen made the right call even though it didn't work out
Not ****ing Frazier there nope. And that will be consistent through the season. Unless one run wins the game I'm not using Frazier to move 2 runners. I'm NEVER using him to move one.
 

DawgatAuburn

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The next time you are banned, and it will probably happen, your user name should by Crooked Number.
 

patdog

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With Frazier hitting, you've got a good chance to score more than just 2 runs with 2 on and no outs. You b-u-n-t your bad hitters, not your best ones, in that situation.
 

ronpolk

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I can understand you not wanting to **** him but there is not a manager anywhere who would not have ****ed there
 

muddawgs

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With Frazier hitting, you've got a good chance to score more than just 2 runs with 2 on and no outs. You b-u-n-t your bad hitters, not your best ones, in that situation.

I understand that but if he hits into a double play then you have guy on 3rd with 2 outs with a slim chance at scoring multiple runs and it would take a clutch hit to tie the game up. With Frazier bu nting, then you have 2 guys in scoring position with your 2 and 3 guys coming up with a better chance at scoring multiple runs and an almost sure chance of tying the game up. I know it didn't work out but it was the right call at that time in the ball game. I just don't think I would kick my dog over Cohen calling the bu nt there.
 

KurtRambis4

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What is

Frazier's avg w/ runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs vs Bradford's avg with runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out?
 

RougeDawg

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You sir are correct, but the execution was horrible...

It didn't work out there but that was a textbook ****ing situation.

Can't **** it right back to pitcher in that situation, especially with one of slowest runners on 2nd base.
 

SanfordRJones

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It doesn't matter because it would be a small sample size. How many opportunities does any batter have with either scenario over 4 college seasons? You need hundreds of plate appearances in a certain scenario to overcome small sample size, and there just isn't any way to overcome SSS in 4 college seasons of approximately 60 games.
 

Will James

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Can't **** it right back to pitcher in that situation, especially with one of slowest runners on 2nd base.

If we didn't string 2 hits together, something I've been told is impossible, we could have escaped with one making it a tie ball game. At the time we were down by one run in only the 6th inning. You people acting like it was the bottom of the 8th or 9th is funny. Why play for a one run lead in the 6th inning? Like i said you can't count on 1 run leads especially in college baseball. I'm hitting Frazier there in the 6th inning to try and score as many runs possible because we still had 44% of our remaining outs in the game to go.
 

Will James

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And saved because the 7th run was put on base because of a **** and later scored in the inning

You have said this 3 times this thread. Do you think you are getting away with it? The 7th (winning) run was not put on base by a ****. The 7th run was CT and he got on via single! The 6th run got on base by forcing the lead runner to get out. The only run that scored that got on base because of successful ****ing was Frost and he scored the 5th run. Congrats, if it wasn't for stringing hits together we lose 6-5 but hey the guy that ****ed scored!!
 

DerHntr

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Damn I hate you for this but I have to ask you a question about bnting

What is Frazier's success rate when bnting? In other words, how often does he successfully move the runner(s) over and only cause at most one out at first base? Compare that average to his batting average and I bet you will see why Cohen calls it the way he does.

In the end, you just have a more aggressive approach at the plate than Cohen. You are more intense than the intense bastard. Most of us get that.
 
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patdog

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You can't play scared. You're obsessing over the chance you might hit into a double play. What about the odds the b*** won't work and you've just given up a free out? You've got to let your best hitters hit. Always.
 

Will James

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What is Frazier's success rate when bnting? In other words, how often does he successfully move the runner(s) over and only cause at most one out at first base? Compare that average to his batting average and I bet you will see why Cohen calls it the way he does.

In the end, you just have a more aggressive approach at the plate than Cohen. You are more intense than the intense bastard. Most of us get that.

Thats true for every single hitter Der. With that logic you should **** every time a runner is on base because odds are that'll move him while only giving up one out.

The problem is giving away free outs when it's unnecessary. Until the end when you NEED one run you are supposed to maximize runs and you do that by not getting out. Think about it like this; there are infinite amount of possible runs in an inning so you aren't capped at say 5 runs then its the other teams turn like tee ball. However you are capped at 3 outs. The outs are what matters.
 

Will James

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You can't play scared. You're obsessing over the chance you might hit into a double play. What about the odds the b*** won't work and you've just given up a free out? You've got to let your best hitters hit. Always.

Yup Fraziers **** got the lead runner out and CT had just as good a chance to hit into a double play.
 

Chesusdog

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Just stop. We get it. You don't like Cohen.

The rest of us do though. Getting real tired of your ****.
 

Will James

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The rest of us do though. Getting real tired of your ****.

17 you don't look at this thread then. Go yell at the outfielders if you don't want to actually talk about the game. While you're reminding Samfords left fielder what his sisters name is the rest of us actually pay attention.
 

chainedup_Dawg

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Actually I've said it twice, but hey who's counting other than you. You are right Sam was the tying run. Either way, without that run put on by a ****, we don't win, plain and simple so please STFU. I've already said I agree with you to an extent but you are absolutely unbearable. Also, you can't blame the lead runner being put out on that play on Cohen, that was due to not executing which falls on the players, not the coach no matter who they are
 

muddawgs

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sorry bro but that's not playing scared baseball

You can't play scared. You're obsessing over the chance you might hit into a double play. What about the odds the b*** won't work and you've just given up a free out? You've got to let your best hitters hit. Always.

That's playing smart baseball. Down 1 late in the game with runners on 1st and 2nd and no outs knowing that the strength of our team is our pitching, it's just smart baseball to bu nt in that situation. If our pitchers were shaky, then I would agree you play for the big inning, but with our pitchers, we are almost guaranteed a win leading after 6 innings. You just play for the lead which Cohen did.
 

muddawgs

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Totally different scenario

Yup Fraziers **** got the lead runner out and CT had just as good a chance to hit into a double play.


1 out and runners on 1st and 2nd, you don't bu nt. It's better for you to take that risk of hitting into the double play than bu nting and having runners at 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs.
 

CadaverDawg

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17 you don't look at this thread then. Go yell at the outfielders if you don't want to actually talk about the game. While you're reminding Samfords left fielder what his sisters name is the rest of us actually pay attention.

I'm not in this argument today...but I think it's hilarious how you keep telling people to "just don't read the thread, if you don't want to", yet you are always calling me out for starting threads. Why you don't just take your own advice and just "not read my threads", is beyond me.

Just wanted to point out the irony. I'm sure you will have a great response, or you can just "ignore my post".
 

Will James

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That's playing smart baseball. Down 1 late in the game with runners on 1st and 2nd and no outs knowing that the strength of our team is our pitching, it's just smart baseball to bu nt in that situation. If our pitchers were shaky, then I would agree you play for the big inning, but with our pitchers, we are almost guaranteed a win leading after 6 innings. You just play for the lead which Cohen did.

The 6th inning is not late in the game. No, a one run lead is not almost guaranteed with 3 innings of baseball left to play. If it had been the 8th, I would probably agree with it.
 

muddawgs

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The 6th inning is not late in the game. No, a one run lead is not almost guaranteed with 3 innings of baseball left to play. If it had been the 8th, I would probably agree with it.

You have Bracewell and Holder along with a slew of other good pitchers. I would say any time you are leading after 6 you would feel pretty confident in winning that game.
 

Will James

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You have Bracewell and Holder along with a slew of other good pitchers. I would say any time you are leading after 6 you would feel pretty confident in winning that game.

You don't play for the one run lead in the 6th. If we had been up 2 and were trying to move 2 runners to go up 3+ okay I understand. Still wouldn't with Frazier but I understand. Never would move one man there though. But when we are behind it is dumb to play for a one run lead as early as the 6th when we have 2 men on for our leadoff stud. Those are the innings when 4+ runs are scored. Hell we scored 3 despite Fraziers ****.
 

Chesusdog

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Yes, I'm sure you're a ******* baseball genius.

We continue not to give even the slightest of a ****. No one cares what you think. The horse is ******* dead so stop beating it.
 

DerHntr

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I'm not obsessing over anything

I said that Cohen is playing it conservative. Your statement about playing scared was my exact point (conservative vs. aggressive). So you would call it more aggressive than Cohen. We get it.

I am not sure you read my post completely. Asking "what if the bnt doesn't work?" was also a point I was making about batting averages and successfully sacrificing averages. If you knew Frazier was 100% successful in moving the runner(s) over while at MSU and then compared it to his batting average, would you ask him to bnt in that situation? That is what Cohen is banking on and it is a conservative style. He is banking on us scoring there to tie it up because he must like one out and men at 2nd and 3rd more than the chance of no outs and everyone on/scored.
 

DerHntr

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One question

Can you win a baseball game by just one run?
 
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DerHntr

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I edited it because I had a brain fart. Nothing more, nothing less.*

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