Watched this highlight of when Fredrick scored 23 and Carr 30 since I didn't see them play. Would love to add Carr also. Both strokes look legit.
Fredrick & Carr Game
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Good link. Would love to add Carr or Mintz’s experience to go along with Grady’s.
Carr is the guy I really want the most at point next year. If Cal can get Carr and one of Alvarado/Tyty/Pippen and retain Mintz, that will be a very solid roster. Probably need 1 more good big, unless Ware steps up, which is possible.
I like this YouTube comment: ‘Marcus Carr Is a straight bucket that ain’t his first game tying or winning shots either, got the clutch gene.’
Yea, we would only get 1 of Carr, Alvarado, TyTy or Pippen. All 4 of them expect to be the starting and primary PG wherever they play. Mintz will likely be the back-up for whichever one we get.
I would be very happy with that roster. Let's hope Ware gets and stays in the gym to work on his offensive game. Love his energy but this offensive game is offensive.
Probably, but if these guys are such good recruiters, I feel like they can pull it off.
I don't think Pippen has his name in the portal has he. I would love to have Alvarado but has he put his name in ?
Is Carr on any NBA draft boards? Would he be taken in even the 2nd round if he stayed in the draft?
If the answer to those 2 questions is NO, I look for him to be in Lexington this fall. I am hopeful that Cal is waiting for his answer before he pursues any other PG.
If the answer to those 2 questions is NO, I look for him to be in Lexington this fall. I am hopeful that Cal is waiting for his answer before he pursues any other PG.
Slater and others don’t seem that high on Carr. I’ve never seen him but there seems to be some red flags with him.
Last I heard, Carr was ranked 93rd out of all the guys that entered their name in the draft, but that was weeks ago.
Carr is not getting drafted this year.
That's some hillbilly logic. I highly doubt you are going to persuade any of them from taking their best shot at making the league next year to play a reserve. Particularly when 2 of those guys would only have 1 year left. TyTy is currently a projected first rounder and Pippen Jr. might be the best of the 4. None of them are going to accept a reserve role. Hell, Hickman wasn't willing to accept a reserve role, why the hell would you logically think any of these 4 would?
Less likely to come if Mintz is getting minutes. If he is not in he needs to start studying Croatia geography. Waffling this late is killing the opportunity to bring in other guards. He has to know he is not getting drafted. Tell him to commit or be gone.
Fredrick was important because he can handle the point if needed. I would be thrilled with a true PG and a guy like Mintz back.
Because of experience I'd prefer to roll with a proven PG like Carr or Alvarado before another true freshman one and done PG like TyTy but beggers can't be choosers.
I just want them to be able to shoot. Give me Carr or Alvarado and Mintz= thrilled. That would give us two combo guards (CJ/Mintz) and a true PG....I think I lean towards Alvarado.
Because of experience I'd prefer to roll with a proven PG like Carr or Alvarado before another true freshman one and done PG like TyTy but beggers can't be choosers.
I just want them to be able to shoot. Give me Carr or Alvarado and Mintz= thrilled. That would give us two combo guards (CJ/Mintz) and a true PG....I think I lean towards Alvarado.
Hickman has his own issues, none of us are sure why he left, there's no way he knew another pg was coming, nobody has made a decision yet.
But you can't act like it's ridiculous to think Cal could land more than.one of the 5 guys I listed, know why? I'll tell you why, remember the 2009 class? John Wall was already signed, but then Cal still landed Bledsoe.
2014, Andrew and Aaron were still on the roster, but that didn't stop Ulis and Booker from signing on.
2014, Dakari and WCS were on the roster, bit that didn't stop Towns from signing.
2018 Duke had Zion, Barrett and Reddish sign on, all three played the same position.
It isn't far fetched for the same thing to happen this year for UK. It is possible to bring Mintz back, get Tyty and bring in Carr or Alvarado.
100% agree with this, all of it. Carr and/or Alvarado to go with Mintz, Allen and Fredrick. I like that.
If Pippen is available, and he comes here, he starts day 1. Kid is legit and gave the Cats all kinds of trouble every game he has played against them. He can get to the rim, and more importantly, finishes at the rim. I just haven’t seen where he is in the portal.
You don't want much do you ? I have said on here several times he could play , and all I could hear was that he can't shoot. I will tell you again, Carr has super star talent. He had to do everything at Minnesota, and the only help he had was the 7'er that is going to Vandy. You put better players around Carr and he will be a star.
I think Frederick likely means Mintz is gone. Although, Hickmans de-commitment could make that still a possibility.
Another recruits parents said TyTy was coming to UK, and if they know it, Hickman also knew it. Hickman may not have even known exactly who, but Cal has been reaching out to a whole lot of high level PGs, so it was obvious he thought he needed someone other than Hickman.
Yes, Cal signed Bledsoe after Wall, but there wasn't another high level guard on the roster, so there was a path to start for him, without much competition. When Ulis and Booker signed, the twins were expected to leave. The only example you gave that would actually compare to this situation is WCS and Johnson when KAT signed. Even the trio at Duke had a clear path to starting, even if one of them was going to have to play out of position a bit.
I'm not saying Cal can't do it, but it seems unlikely, and frankly, not sure its needed. Fredrick and Grady have both played PG before, so there are 2 people that could play PG if needed. I think the most realistic scenario is signing TyTy, and maybe getting Mintz back, but likely just TyTy. 3 of Cal's Final Four teams had exactly 1 PG on the roster, and all 3 of them were freshmen. To add to that, Cal only wants to play 7-8, so adding 2 more PGs means there will be a lot of mouths to feed.
With the addition of TyTy (assuming that happens), there are 4 guys to play 1-2, plus a little 3. Then you have Oscar, Collins, maybe Brooks, Toppin, Hopkins and Ware to play 4-5 along with a little 3. The biggest thing for a team is chemistry, and having guys expecting to play who don't get much time can be a recipe for disaster, chemistry wise.
We have recruited like 20 pg's in the last 2 months. If the Hickman's didn't realize we were going to get another pg, they must be related to Hellen Kellers family.
We signed Wall and Beldsoe because we had no one else. They were both guaranteed starting spots. There weren't Grady, Mintz, Allen and Fredrick to share minutes with. They shared with a juco in Dodson.
Ulis and Booker were 4 star recruits expecting to be here multiple years. Neither expected to run the offense coming in.
Towns was a five star who was guaranteed a starting spot. You really think he had risk of playing behind Dakari?
WCS also was a PF, not really a center. That literally proves my point, though! Would he have still come if he had Demarcus Cousins, Davis or Noel to contend with for minutes?All 3 guys were guranteed starters and as many minutes as they wantes. And Duke suffered for it. Cam and RJ didn't feel like they were being utilized correctly or had the ball enough. Both jacked ridiculous shots everytime they touched the ball, turned it over trying to showboat and ended up not even making the final four. Again, you just proved my point for why we won't get more than 1 of those guys.
It's very far fetched. If Mintz comes back (which I think is likely) he is doing it with the intention of playing some at PG, to show the NBA he can run an offense. It's literally his only shot to make it. Whichever other PG we get is coming in with NBA aspirations as well and with the intentions of being the starting pg. You won't get more than 1 of those guys if Mintz returns. If Mintz leaves, I still expect you are only getting 1 of the guys you listed, and we will go after another shooting guard to replace Mintz.
Wow, talk about unrealistic expectations. We’re not getting 3 of those guys, lol
So you don't think UK's staff could pull Carr, Mintz and one of Alvarado/Tyty/Pippen?
I don’t see the problem.
2009: Wall and Bledsie
2014: Andrew and Ulis
You're comparing apples to oranges.
Who were standing in Wall and Bledsoe's way for minutes?
Do you think 4 star freshman Ulis came here expecting to start over Andrew Harrison or even play that many minutes his first year?
In 2009, Meeks had not decided to go pro when Bledsoe signed, so there was another high level guard on the roster.
2014, doesn't matter if the Harrison's were possibly headed for the draft, they chose to come back and Ulis didn’t back out like Hickman just did.
2019 duke, you can give reasons all you want, but the fact is, three legit top shelf 5* forwards signed on knowing they were sharing minutes. Redish sacrificed the most.
These three situations more than prove my point.
Lol, you think Ulis planned on playing second fiddle to Andrew? Obviously you don't know crap about Ulis.
Oh, I thought Cal was worth $9 million a year and was thought to be tge best recruiter in college basketball. Guess not.
Why even bring Orlando, Lucas and Chin in if they can't pull good talent to Kentucky?
Sorry, I thought we had legit all star recruiters, my mistake.
Meeks declared on April 7th. Bledsoe committed May 6th.
Ulis was a 5'8 140# pg who got offered by UK. He didn't care who was ahead of him.
Duke players all got starting spots and played 30mpg. Who exactly were they allegedly sharing with?
They literally prove the opposite of your point.
Yea. You honestly think he was under the impression he was coming to take over the starting PG spot from AH year 1?
If so, I have some beautiful oceanfront property in IN I would love to sell you.
To be fair UIis was a mcdonald’s all americanMeeks declared on April 7th. Bledsoe committed May 6th.
Ulis was a 5'8 140# pg who got offered by UK. He didn't care who was ahead of him.
Duke players all got starting spots and played 30mpg. Who exactly were they allegedly sharing with?
They literally prove the opposite of your point.
Yea. You honestly think he was under the impression he was coming to take over the starting PG spot from AH year 1?
Eh, it's Lead Belly, even when you agree with him he'll fight you.
Oh hey, I appreciate the assistance in the other thread with Stuway, for whatever reason I was red flagged and can't post. I'm not sure what I said, but one thing is for sure, it wasn't anything racist.
Who was selected as like the 38th ranked player. Considering he played minimally in that game and didn't start, I am not seeing how we would have been under the impression he would be starting over a sophmore Andrew Harrison who had just played in the NC game and was also a MCAA himself that actually played and started for his AA team.
Ulis came to UK to be a 4 year guy and to get better. I think it’s fair to say he didn’t expect to start over Andrew Harrison.
Exactly! That was mine and others point. @kyjeff1 seems to be under the impression Ulis came here expecting to contend for a starting spot over Harrison.
Hickman didn’t see it coming, Alex Legions Mom told him Cal was recruiting other pg’s.We have recruited like 20 pg's in the last 2 months. If the Hickman's didn't realize we were going to get another pg, they must be related to Hellen Kellers family.
We signed Wall and Beldsoe because we had no one else. They were both guaranteed starting spots. There weren't Grady, Mintz, Allen and Fredrick to share minutes with. They shared with a juco in Dodson.
Ulis and Booker were 4 star recruits expecting to be here multiple years. Neither expected to run the offense coming in.
Towns was a five star who was guaranteed a starting spot. You really think he had risk of playing behind Dakari?
All 3 guys were guranteed starters and as many minutes as they wantes. And Duke suffered for it. Cam and RJ didn't feel like they were being utilized correctly or had the ball enough. Both jacked ridiculous shots everytime they touched the ball, turned it over trying to showboat and ended up not even making the final four. Again, you just proved my point for why we won't get more than 1 of those guys.
It's very far fetched. If Mintz comes back (which I think is likely) he is doing it with the intention of playing some at PG, to show the NBA he can run an offense. It's literally his only shot to make it. Whichever other PG we get is coming in with NBA aspirations as well and with the intentions of being the starting pg. You won't get more than 1 of those guys if Mintz returns. If Mintz leaves, I still expect you are only getting 1 of the guys you listed, and we will go after another shooting guard to replace Mintz.
Can't say. All I can say is it was a kid that was recruited by UK, but not at UK.
No, it doesn't prove anything. The one thing you forgot to mention was that Meeks hadn't decided, but neither had Wall. So at the point Bledsoe signed, we literally had one guard on the roster, and that guy eventually left.
Ulis and Booker were signed believing that the Harrison's would be gone to the pros. They did not believe that anyone stood in their way from getting the starting jobs. To their credit, they stayed, and didn't back out, but they fully expected the twins to be gone. Signing all those guards you listed would be a massive haul, considering you already have 3 guards on the roster, and you are essentially talking about getting 3 guys to play 1 spot. Maybe he could get TyTy and Alvarado, but if that happens I'd give it a 0.0001% chance Mintz comes back. I like Mintz, but he ain't playing over Fredrick or Grady, and the reason he left Creighton was because he didn't want to come off the bench and play a reserve role.
Those 3 guys at Duke all played 30 minutes or more per game, 2 of them averaged over 22 points a game while the other averaged over 13. All got 12 shots or more a game. All started 33 games or more. In other words, they went to Duke because minutes and shots were there to be taken.
Again, You have 2 Division 1 starters at guard positions on the roster right now, and another guy that the fanbase is begging Cal to play, and probably should get a lot of minutes with some improvement next year. So that's 3 guys for at most 3 positions. It's highly unlikely that Cal can convince 2 more high level guards to come into a situation like that, and him combined with Antigua might the best recruiting duo college basketball has ever seen. And there is almost no chance you are adding 2 guards and Mintz to that.
Considering Hickman's dad said he was actively recruiting TyTy Washington to UK, I highly doubt that as true. Also, Considering when he committed Askew was still on the roster, I again don't believe that. When you add in we have been tied to a lot of PG's in the portal that admitted contact from UK, again, I just don't believe that. Either they are oblivious, or they lied.
Well, I'm trying not to be argumentative, so I'm just going to let this go, no need to go back and forth. Sometimes good players like to play with other good players and we have at least 4 ace recruiters, so that's why I think it’s possible to get the players I listed.