Freeze can't evaluate talent

grimedawg1

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Correct, I made a mistake and will edit. Point remains the difference is ole miss' upset of lsu.
 
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RebelAlumnus

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Uh, check your record. Dan has won four against ole miss in five years, not three.

And, ole miss has not won 5 sec west games in 2 years. In last 2 years, ole miss is .....

0-2 against bama
0-2 against auburn
0-2 against a&m
2-0 against Arkansas
1-1 against lsu
1-1 against msu

The only difference in the last 2 years in that record and Msu's is ole miss' upset against lsu in mettenbergers worst game of the year by far.

Freeze beat AU at home in his first season. Try again.
 

HammerOfTheDogs

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And you're 11-29 the past five seasons....

In 5 years, DM has won 6 SEC West games: 3 against Ole Miss, 2 against Ark., and 1 against Auburn).

In 2 years, Freeze has won 5 games against the West. And Freeze inherited a way bigger dumpster fire than what Mullen got.

Here comes Mutt in 5...4...3...2...1...
And you're winless against Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Texas A&M, Missouri during this time...and only 7-33 against the SEC West during this time.

Everyone knows your team is inferior, your fan base is inferior, and that you should drop major college sports and learn your place.
 

121Josey

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So you are saying he shouldn't go after consensus top 30 caliber players? I don't follow the line of reasoning here. Freeze signing 4 - 5 star players means he can't evaluate?

By all means he should go after Top 30 players. But he lost credibility when he was just going after weak connections so close to signing day. He was throwing spaghetti against the wall and hope it stuck (as it did with Tun$il).

The sample size is too small, for me, but no he hasn't shown that he can evaluate talent.
 

RebelAlumnus

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Neither has he had time to show he can't, which was the entire premise of the original post. The first class he got to fully evaluate will be sophomores in 2014. There is nothing to support the idea that he can't evaluate talent, yet. He may not be able to. But saying he can't at this point can't be backed up.
 

idog

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somebody's gotta say it

Clearly if you had, you'd see where Freeze signed several players with little to no offers who've contributed immediately.

The real elephant in the room (that you won't talk about) is that you have to believe that DM is a better evaluator at talent because he can't attract elite talent to come visit your school. And if you start on Marlon Humphrey, you're dumber than C34. He's a Bama legacy, from Alabama, who will be coached by Saban. You have 0 chance.

For the record, I think State could attract elite talent if the right staff was in place. If Saban was yall's coach, I truly believe you'd have Alabama type classes. But DM is not and neither is his staff. In 5 years, DM has won 6 SEC West games: 3 against Ole Miss, 2 against Ark., and 1 against Auburn).

In 2 years, Freeze has won 5 games against the West. And Freeze inherited a way bigger dumpster fire than what Mullen got.

Here comes Mutt in 5...4...3...2...1...

the fact that no elite talent visits MSU has directly resulted in Mullen's ability to evaluate talent. that's still better than nothing but elite talent visiting and Mullen being totally inept in evaluating it.

17'ing genius...can I hire you as a life coach?
 

RebelAlumnus

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I didn't post that, so no, I wasn't. Wrong again. Try again. Actually, don't, because the likelihood of that being correct is slim to none.
 

121Josey

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Thank you for repeating

Neither has he had time to show he can't, which was the entire premise of the original post. The first class he got to fully evaluate will be sophomores in 2014. There is nothing to support the idea that he can't evaluate talent, yet. He may not be able to. But saying he can't at this point can't be backed up.

what I just wrote. Nevertheless, the burden of proof is on those who say that he can.
 

JungRebel

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The burden of proof is on anyone who is trying to prove anything. There is not enough evidence to say one way or the other, and lack of evidence on one side does not equal evidence for the other side. No one will know how well the OM staff develops talent until a few more seasons pass.
 
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BigLeagueChew

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on all those top recruiting classes. Really sticking it to us, off the field.

This is the most State post ever. You are completely incapable of wanting anything other than to beat OM. My point is that you should look at the bigger picture and that is DM can't beat SEC West teams worth a **** other than Ole Miss, and you're completely okay with that. You are the definition of a person who lives in poverty and cares nothing about elevating yourself out of it.
 
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msstate7

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This is the most State post ever. You are completely incapable of wanting anything other than to beat OM. My point is that you should look at the bigger picture and that is DM can't beat teams worth a **** other than Ole Miss, and you're completely okay with that. You are the definition of a person who lives in poverty and cares nothing about elevating yourself out of it.

Well if we suck and can't beat anyone, what does that say about you?
 

Sandman.sixpack

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Mutt….You're right! Ole Miss has not beaten Florida in the past five years. Reason is they haven't even played the Gators in past five years. Last time they played was when OM beat Florida in 2008.
So what is your point? I guess you could also say they haven't beaten Notre Dame, Ohio State and even Slippery Rock in the past five years. Imagine… OM can't even beat Slippery Rock. lol
Mutt….you lose whatever credibility you had when you stretch things that bad!
 
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BigLeagueChew

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Your reading comprehension clearly indicates you graduated (possibly) from a low-achieving public school. My post says y'all can beat teams, just not good ones. The only 2 SEC West teams you've ever beaten which finished with a winning record was 2009 and 2013 OM teams. If you include all SEC teams, you'd only get 2 more - 2009 KY and 2010 UF. Freeze has nearly equaled that in 2 years - 2012 State, 2013 LSU, 2013 Vandy.

If we ever go 11-1 with our loss to a 1-11 State, I'd take that every day of the week. By most people's logic on this board, you'd rather have the opposite.
 

Rezpup

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Being as condescending and smug as you is difficult but I appreciate the challenge.
 

ArcherSPS

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quit posting out of hate or Mrs. Tuohy will smite you and your family with a plague of Taco Bell *****.
 

KurtRambis4

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Reading Comprehension Fail

Where in that post does it even remotely suggest that all I am worried about is beating OM? If you can point that out (correctly), I'll concede.

You came here talking **** about Mullen's recruiting. My response relays the idea that it's sort of ridiculous for someone that is a fan of a team that has been owned by Mullen to talk **** about his (Mullen) recruiting. Now if some LSU or Alabama fan came on here with your message, I'd have to room to respond in such fashion. Understand, Einstein?

Lastly, it's sort of funny that you're (in a roundabout way) accusing me of being obsessed with OM...you know, with you being the OM fan posting on the MSU board. Then again, when your only other option is nafoom, I don't really blame you. That board is full of idiots.
 

dawgstudent

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Freeze has matched Mullen's W/L record from his first two years and is one game worse in the SEC. Congrats to Hugh Freeze.

If we compare the first 2 years - Hugh Freeze has beaten the same # of teams in the SEC with a winning record as Dan Mullen - (KY, Florida, and Ole Miss). And Mullen has beaten one more SEC bowl team (UGA 2010).

And trust me - I think most people would take an 11-1 season with a loss to Ole Miss if they are 1-11.
 
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Tds & Beer

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Why does he target so many out of state kids? Easy, he relies on the recruiting sites to do the leg work for him, and then recruits who those sites say are good. If his boosters fail him on those kids, Freeze then tries to recruit players MSU has offered. Freeze knows Mullen is much better at evaluating talent and life in general, probably due to Mullen being morally and spiritually superior.

this wreaks of insecurity
 
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BiscuitEater

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Congrats juthreauxdawg, you musta hit a nerve ... haven't this many rebels on this site since their Eggbowl win in '12
 

KurtRambis4

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You're

an idiot if you honestly think most on here would rather be 1-11 with the win v OM, compared to 11-1 and losing to them. I'm pretty sure this has been asked a number of times and it's overwhelmingly been chosen for the 11-1 scenario. But hey, WeEZ obseZZEd!
 

jethreauxdawg

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I can't take all the credit

Congrats juthreauxdawg, you musta hit a nerve ... haven't this many rebels on this site since their Eggbowl win in '12

I happened to sit next to what appeared to be some of their bigger boosters at a restaurant last week. They were concerned about Freeze's ability to evaluate talent. I stole a few of my comments from them.
 

Sandman.sixpack

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Kurt…. The Bears have only had ONE top recruiting class….this year's freshmen. Nutt had one good recruiting class about three years ago. Was ranked in the high teens (same as our was that same year), but most of theirs never even got to campus or quickly left (Brassell, etc). Realistically I don't see how their one top class (2013 class) could have much to do with the past several years. Solid recruiting doesn't affect the past….only the future. We'll see where these recruiting classes get them in two or three years.