Freeze quoting Ayn Rand...

[FPDawg]

Looking around the Twitter this morning and I noticed that The Right Reverend Freezus posted one of his morning quotes like usual. I usually read these and move on unless he forgets to give credit to who said them. However, he upped the ante on his hypocrisy this morning by posting a quote from Ayn Rand...an avowed atheist. Here it is in full:

@CoachHughFreeze: A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others."
Ayn Rand. . . #WinTheDay

 

[maroonmania]

Apparently its always the same schtik for the OM head coach...

Looking around the Twitter this morning and I noticed that The Right Reverend Freezus posted one of his morning quotes like usual. I usually read these and move on unless he forgets to give credit to who said them. However, he upped the ante on his hypocrisy this morning by posting a quote from Ayn Rand...an avowed atheist. Here it is in fullCoachHughFreeze: A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others." Ayn Rand. . . #WinTheDay

We've moved from Rev. Nutt to Rev. Freeze. Interesting that CJ was quoted as saying Freeze could be a preacher if he wanted or something like that. Apparently next time we need to get a head coach we should have Stricklin organize a pulpit committee to find one.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

freeze bothers me even more

Because he recruits way over his head by not even recruiting football - instead, recruiting religion. To me, that's the lowest of the low - It's basically a way to make players guilt themselves into coming to your school, while wearing that big **** eating grin.

 

[msuJD164]

So the reverend quotes an atheist? That mf'fer comes off as such an airhead or dumbass to me. First he argues with a parody of himself, argues with opposing fans, and quotes an atheist.

 

[FPDawg]

I responded to him and pointed out that he was quoting an atheist but he deleted it. And the hypocrisy continues...

 

[DerHntr]

long lost family member of hugh freeze? same teeth....

 

[msuJD164]

So religious Hugh, quotes someone, who according to this link, inspired the satanic bible.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1975607/pg1

 

[muddawgs]

long lost family member of hugh freeze? same teeth....

**** looks like Freeze with a wig

 

[ckDOG]

Hah..Rand is not only an athiest, but her message is anti-Christian.

Christ preached a message about community and loving your neighbor. Rand preaches a message about making yourself better, regardless of its impact to the community - essentially, make yourself the center of your universe.

Never understood Christians getting all hyped up on some Ayn Rand.

Go ahead, lock her down.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

She wasn't just an atheist, but an ardent, militant enemy all of religion. She essentially believed that anyone with any religious beliefs was a complete idiot. Very ironic that a super Christian like Freeze claims to be would have anything to do with her

 

[dickiedawg]

How did he delete your tweet? De-tweet?

 

[lasher8]

Because he is ignorant of who/what she was and represented.

The quote fit his agenda - he used it.

She wasn't just an atheist, but an ardent, militant enemy all of religion. She essentially believed that anyone with any religious beliefs was a complete idiot. Very ironic that a super Christian like Freeze claims to be would have anything to do with her

 

[boatsandhoes]

Classic. A bible thumper (this includes me) using an agnostic's quotes, and presiding over the shenanigans in oxford during recruiting season.

#can'thaveitbothwasbuckyku

 

[KurtRambis4]

Exactly

That cat has no clue who she was. He just googled "great quotes" or something and posted that. I'm telling y'all, this dude is 110% fake. You've got to hand it to him, though. He knows how to play the game better than anyone I've ever seen.

He knows what his prospective player pool is made up of, family wise. They come from a family where Mama places a great deal of emphasis on religion. Mama runs these families and what she says goes, 90% of the time. Therefore, freezus goes out there and plays this relgious game to recruit Mama. It's pretty disingenuous, to say the least.

For someone to fake their religious beliefs is about as low as one can go, to me. Like I said, though, he's doing what it takes to be successful in college coaching. Mullen would be wise to follow in this path of being a phony.

 

[SkinkTyree]

Thomas Jefferson wrote his own Bible in which every mention of Jesus

being the son of God was stricken. He thought all of that stuff was supernatural mumbo-jumbo. Should we all disregard everything Thomas Jefferson ever said or wrote because of this?

 

[QuaoarsKing]

He also owned slaves and kept at least one as his private rape toy, but I guess that's neither here nor there.

To answer your question, he's not chiefly known for being militantly anti Christian like Rand is.

And either way, there's nothing "wrong" with quoting either one. It's just ironic for someone like Freeze to do so

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

That's a dumb ad hominem attack. Who says the quote does not change the meaning of the quote itself

 

[lasher8]

huh??

 

[InaccuratePredictionsDawg]

What gets me is...

..the quote doesn't even apply to Freeze, because his #1 desire in life is to beat others. Word to Freeze: When you have a job where success or failure is contingent on whether you beat others, don't try to avoid that fact by quoting some Nietzscheian nutcase.

 

[InaccuratePredictionsDawg]

You are right...

...his quote does not change the meaning of the quote itself. Too bad the meaning of the quote itself has nothing to do with Freeze, since his #1 desire in life is to beat others.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Whiffffffff

 

[RickyWadePhilpotDVM]

Wow, I knew anti-intellectualism was cool with y'all, but damn.

..the quote doesn't even apply to Freeze, because his #1 desire in life is to beat others. Word to Freeze: When you have a job where success or failure is contingent on whether you beat others, don't try to avoid that fact by quoting some Nietzscheian nutcase.

You've never actually read Nietzsche, have you?

What do y'all all of a sudden have against capitalism and competition? This thread is full-retard, there's nothing un-Christian or hypocritical about quoting Ayn Rand. Y'all need to take a Xanax or ten and chill the **** out.

 

[ckDOG]

People's University**

You've never actually read Nietzsche, have you?

What do y'all all of a sudden have against capitalism and competition? This thread is full-retard, there's nothing un-Christian or hypocritical about quoting Ayn Rand. Y'all need to take a Xanax or ten and chill the **** out.

nm

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

Isn't ayn rand an atheist? Should Rev. Freeze be quoting such a freethinker?

 

[InaccuratePredictionsDawg]

I'm not going to...

..argue Ayn Rand or Nietzsche with you, except to say they were both hideous. But I will say Freeze shouldn't be using quotes claiming his #1 deisre in life is not to beat others when his every waking hour is invested in the single goal of beating others.

 

[blacklistedbully]

Looking around the Twitter this morning and I noticed that The Right Reverend Freezus posted one of his morning quotes like usual. I usually read these and move on unless he forgets to give credit to who said them. However, he upped the ante on his hypocrisy this morning by posting a quote from Ayn Rand...an avowed atheist. Here it is in full:

@CoachHughFreeze: A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others."
Ayn Rand. . . #WinTheDay

Anybody remember Freeze on the sideline during the Egg Bowl mocking our "train whistle"? Sure that was a man motivated, not by a desire to beat others, rather just a desire to achieve. **

Not that I have a problem with him being driven by a desire to beat others, I've just always despised hypocrites.

 

[mstateglfr]

Eh, it just goes to show that profound insight can come out the mouths of believers and non-believers alike.

I have no problem with a Christian quoting something inspirational or insightful that a non-believer said, nor do i have a problem with a non-believer quoting something inspirational or insightful that a Christian said.


I am not practicing, yet find Desmond Tutu fascinating. I try to talk about the Golden Rule(which has roots in every major religion and dates back damn near 4000 years ago) almost daily with my 6yo.



Oh the horror of someone finding value in words that were said by a person who believes in something different than you!

 

[Hump4Hoops]

While I agree 100% with your post

I think the point is that nobody sees freeze as Mr. free thinking religious tolerance. He sells nothing but christianity as a cheap recruiting tactic. I'd almost be willing to bet money that freeze quoted Rand out of ignorance of who she was and what she represented, while trying to look wise. Had he known, I bet he would not have mentioned that quote.

 

[ckDOG]

Him quoting Rand is easy to pick on.

Eh, it just goes to show that profound insight can come out the mouths of believers and non-believers alike.

I have no problem with a Christian quoting something inspirational or insightful that a non-believer said, nor do i have a problem with a non-believer quoting something inspirational or insightful that a Christian said.


I am not practicing, yet find Desmond Tutu fascinating. I try to talk about the Golden Rule(which has roots in every major religion and dates back damn near 4000 years ago) almost daily with my 6yo.



Oh the horror of someone finding value in words that were said by a person who believes in something different than you!

It doesn't matter than she isn't a Christian. It matters because her message is so opposite of what Christ spoke, it's comical that a guy who tries to live the "good Christian man" image would look to her for inspiration or simply quote her to look smart.

You mentioned the Golden Rule. From my understanding of Rand (I could be wrong, I get turned off very quickly reading anything she wrote), she advocated the opposite of the Gold Rule. Something more along the lines of "Do unto yourself, as you would have done to yourself". She's a selfish, self-centered, society destroying, psycho.

Is it coming across that I don't like Ayn Rand?

 

[Hump4Hoops]

You're letting your hate get the better of you

Psycho she was not. Her entire argument was based on logical steps. She was the ultimate opponent of big-government, and a huge proponent of capitalism.

 

[SkinkTyree]

Society destroying? She's one of the biggest champions of free market capitalism

that ever lived. She's the most anti-Communism, anti-socialism person you could ever read. Her rabid defense of individual liberty and the work of the invisible hand in the market is more in line with what the founding fathers believed than anything practiced by modern politicians.

You even admit that you've never read her and yet you still spout off half-formed opinions about her writing.

 

[mstateglfr]

Yeah...it was more that one must not be forced to help others. She was fine with charity, assistance, help, whatever you want to call it.

You frame how you think she would approach the Golden Rule as one of me, me, me. It was more like- dont force me, dont force me, and dont judge my existence on if i do or do not help others.



Yes, it is coming across that you dont like her. I have picked up on that a time or two in this thread.

 

[ckDOG]

I knew that would get a rise out of some

I know she's anti-communist, pro-capitalist, etc. She takes it too far though. An "all about me" attitude where increasing your hapiness is your moral purpose in life is just as dangerous as communism. People are just as likely to 17 things for the rest of us holding that attitude as they are when they run the very states she was opposed against.

I'm all about some limited government myself, I just don't base it on ego-driven notions that I exist to benefit myself.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

You know damn well Freezus could quote Beelzebub and the ignorant masses would lap it up.

 

[mstateglfr]

I think the point is that nobody sees freeze as Mr. free thinking religious tolerance. He sells nothing but christianity as a cheap recruiting tactic. I'd almost be willing to bet money that freeze quoted Rand out of ignorance of who she was and what she represented, while trying to look wise. Had he known, I bet he would not have mentioned that quote.

Yeah, i could see someone quoting her and not knowing(fully) her history. For being a MASSIVE influence on current political and social thought, she is also pretty unknown.
Agree or disagree with her- she was influential. It just goes to show how little is taught up thru the end of college, unless you major in something where her views were directly influential.

 

[Faustdog]

I don't think people would have anything to say about Freeze quoting Rand if it weren't for the Jimmy Swaggart act.

 

[FPDawg]

Boy, that escalated quickly...

Rand was for the basis of the Golden Rule, just not in the traditional biblical sense. Her view was that you should treat others as you want to be treated...but only when you feel it is appropriate and not just because you are compelled to do it through law, taxes or even religion.

In all, her beliefs are very simple. 1) Leave people alone unless you genuinely want to help and they want help. 2) You should not be compelled to do something that is against your beliefs. 3)If you do something for someone it should either be through an exchange of values, i.ee money, payment for work, etc or out of kindness and your desire to help and you should not expect anything in return.

Please excuse me if I 17 up my replay. I'm on my phone and am probably stupid as well.