From 1991 to today, rank MSU's DC's from best to worst.
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run his type of schemes, there weren't many better.........When he didn't, there weren't many worse........
he had a #1 defense and recorded several shutouts during his tenure.
1. JLD I- 1996-2000 Let's face it- the man saved Jackie's ***.
2. Ellis Johnson
3. Bill Clay
4. Cheese
5. Carl Torbush
6. JLD II - 2001-2002
7. Ron Cooper. The worst DC in American football history bar none.
1. JLD I- 1996-2000 Let's face it- the man saved Jackie's ***.
2. Ellis Johnson
3. Bill Clay
4. Cheese
5. Carl Torbush
6. JLD II - 2001-2002
7. Ron Cooper. The worst DC in American football history bar none.
What the hell happened with him? We had outstanding defenses for a few years - some of the best in the nation if I rememeber correctly - but then we just started sucking ***. Did we just stop recruiting on that side of the ball? Did opposing coaches figure out the "scheme?"
Inquiring minds want to know.
Inquiring minds want to know.
He became a high school coach in Memphis, than got a college gig in New Mexico. That's the last I heard.
JLD brought us our best defenses. But honestly, I think it was gimmicky and he wasn't modern or dynamic enough to keep it going. He used the same hand signals for years and years. Maybe the opposition figured out his signals. Maybe they just figured out his defense. Regardless, poor JLD didn't seem to know how to do anything else or change the scheme.
Contrast that with a Dan Mullen. Dan the man seems to make his system fit his players. I think Dan got all that could be gotten out of our offensive talent. I don't see JLD being able to wring all the potential out of any given roster of defensive talent (and neither can Torbush by the way).
JLD brought us our best defenses. But honestly, I think it was gimmicky and he wasn't modern or dynamic enough to keep it going. He used the same hand signals for years and years. Maybe the opposition figured out his signals. Maybe they just figured out his defense. Regardless, poor JLD didn't seem to know how to do anything else or change the scheme.
Contrast that with a Dan Mullen. Dan the man seems to make his system fit his players. I think Dan got all that could be gotten out of our offensive talent. I don't see JLD being able to wring all the potential out of any given roster of defensive talent (and neither can Torbush by the way).
Don't know enough to comment on the wholoe list, but I would put EJ above JLDI. Jackie and our OC's weren't offensive geniuses, but we did typically have offenses that would occasionally eat up clock. Also, Jackie believed in getting off his fat *** and recruiting, so I'm not sure EJ ever had the talent to have a #1 defense.Todd4State said:
Also, I'd put cheese below Torbush. Cheese inherited talent that had been coached by EJ. Torbush inherited lots of freshmen and talent that had been coached by Cheese for a year. I think there's a lot of bad habits that take more than one off season to break, so I'd give Torbush the benefit of the doubt.
Our defense was definitely worse this year than last year, although we did lose some key players. At the same time, we gained some real good players, such as getting Chaney back and McPhee.
Torbush is a veteran DC and Cheese was just in his first year. Even still, Torbush didn't play a talented freshmen in favor of Zach Smith, who literally cost us 2 games in my opinion.
Torbush is a veteran DC and Cheese was just in his first year. Even still, Torbush didn't play a talented freshmen in favor of Zach Smith, who literally cost us 2 games in my opinion.