From a TTech board. Interesting reading regarding conference realignment. ...

Shmuley

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By Chris Level, Aaron Dickens

* All signs point to Texas A&M becoming the 13th member of the Southeastern Conference. It likely won't be official on the A&M side of things until the university's Board of Regents meet on Aug. 22, but everything we have heard from our own sources indicates that the train is on the tracks and moving very fast. We would be surprised at this point if it didn't happen.

* Level spoke with Robert Cessna of the Bryan-College Station Eagle today about A&M's potential timetable and he said if the Aggies did move, they would want to announce the move to the SEC very quickly and get that process started. They saw how Nebraska was treated last year by the Big 12, how TCU has been treated by the Mountain West, and want to get the process over and done with as soon as possible.

* The SEC will try to lure Oklahoma and Oklahoma State as well, but our SoonerScoop.com colleague Carey Murdock is reporting that OU isn't and hasn't been receptive to overtures from the SEC mainly due to academic reasons.

"OU won't go the SEC," Murdock wrote. "(Oklahoma president David) Boren doesn't want any part of the SEC. He has spent a major part of his life building up Oklahoma's academic reputation and if OU went to the SEC, the perception might be that OU is nothing more than a football school. That would pretty much destroy every mention you've heard about OU having more national merit scholars per capita than any other public institution in the country."

* Murdock is also reporting that the SEC came after Oklahoma twice last year, but "OU rebuffed those overtures both times."

* Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are still very much tied together and it's hard to imagine many circumstances where they don't end up in the same conference -- whether that be the Big 12 or another conference.

* Level had two sources close to the situation in Norman -- Murdock is not one of them -- who referred to the SEC as a "cesspool" in terms of academics, recruiting practices and the like.

* In the near future, you should expect to read and hear a lot of talk about the remaining nine schools focusing on keeping the Big 12 together. Theoretically, assuming that ABC/ESPN and Fox don't try and force the issue, a nine-team Big 12 would remain viable until the league's current first-tier rights agreement expire in 2014-15.

* Texas Tech does not have a stand-alone invitation to the Pac-12, and did not have one last summer to the Pac-10. Tech's invite was always tied to Texas and that is almost certainly still the case, although there is a growing feeling that Tech would land in the Pac regardless of what Texas does if the dominos start to fall in favor of 16-team super conferences.

* The idea of Texas going independent sounds a lot easier than it would be in reality. UT would have to find a landing spot for all of its athletic teams outside of football, and then there could be potential Title IX issues if they were forced to cut sports.

* If there is any other additional move beyond A&M moving to the SEC -- i.e. Missouri to the Big Ten or Kansas to the Big East -- you would see the Big 12 fall apart very quickly. In that instance, Texas' hand would be forced and they would head west with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Tech.

* If you're a Tech fan, you should feel good about the fact that the university's leadership has great relationships with principal parties at both Texas and Oklahoma. President Guy Bailey has a great relationship with his counterpart at Texas, Bill Powers. Chancellor Kent Hance has a great relationship with Powers and Texas A.D. DeLoss Dodds. Oklahoma A.D. Joe Castiglione is Kirby Hocutt's mentor. Hocutt's right-hand man, Joe Parker, has a very good relationship with Castiglione and is also connected at Texas.

* Bailey and Powers were both at the NCAA meetings earlier this week.

* Finally, this won't wrap up quickly. There are a lot of moving parts, and you're going to hear a lot of speculation in the coming weeks about School X talking to Conference Y -- just prepare yourself for that.
This post was edited on 8/11 8:54 PM by A. Dickens
 

Shmuley

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By Chris Level, Aaron Dickens

* All signs point to Texas A&M becoming the 13th member of the Southeastern Conference. It likely won't be official on the A&M side of things until the university's Board of Regents meet on Aug. 22, but everything we have heard from our own sources indicates that the train is on the tracks and moving very fast. We would be surprised at this point if it didn't happen.

* Level spoke with Robert Cessna of the Bryan-College Station Eagle today about A&M's potential timetable and he said if the Aggies did move, they would want to announce the move to the SEC very quickly and get that process started. They saw how Nebraska was treated last year by the Big 12, how TCU has been treated by the Mountain West, and want to get the process over and done with as soon as possible.

* The SEC will try to lure Oklahoma and Oklahoma State as well, but our SoonerScoop.com colleague Carey Murdock is reporting that OU isn't and hasn't been receptive to overtures from the SEC mainly due to academic reasons.

"OU won't go the SEC," Murdock wrote. "(Oklahoma president David) Boren doesn't want any part of the SEC. He has spent a major part of his life building up Oklahoma's academic reputation and if OU went to the SEC, the perception might be that OU is nothing more than a football school. That would pretty much destroy every mention you've heard about OU having more national merit scholars per capita than any other public institution in the country."

* Murdock is also reporting that the SEC came after Oklahoma twice last year, but "OU rebuffed those overtures both times."

* Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are still very much tied together and it's hard to imagine many circumstances where they don't end up in the same conference -- whether that be the Big 12 or another conference.

* Level had two sources close to the situation in Norman -- Murdock is not one of them -- who referred to the SEC as a "cesspool" in terms of academics, recruiting practices and the like.

* In the near future, you should expect to read and hear a lot of talk about the remaining nine schools focusing on keeping the Big 12 together. Theoretically, assuming that ABC/ESPN and Fox don't try and force the issue, a nine-team Big 12 would remain viable until the league's current first-tier rights agreement expire in 2014-15.

* Texas Tech does not have a stand-alone invitation to the Pac-12, and did not have one last summer to the Pac-10. Tech's invite was always tied to Texas and that is almost certainly still the case, although there is a growing feeling that Tech would land in the Pac regardless of what Texas does if the dominos start to fall in favor of 16-team super conferences.

* The idea of Texas going independent sounds a lot easier than it would be in reality. UT would have to find a landing spot for all of its athletic teams outside of football, and then there could be potential Title IX issues if they were forced to cut sports.

* If there is any other additional move beyond A&M moving to the SEC -- i.e. Missouri to the Big Ten or Kansas to the Big East -- you would see the Big 12 fall apart very quickly. In that instance, Texas' hand would be forced and they would head west with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Tech.

* If you're a Tech fan, you should feel good about the fact that the university's leadership has great relationships with principal parties at both Texas and Oklahoma. President Guy Bailey has a great relationship with his counterpart at Texas, Bill Powers. Chancellor Kent Hance has a great relationship with Powers and Texas A.D. DeLoss Dodds. Oklahoma A.D. Joe Castiglione is Kirby Hocutt's mentor. Hocutt's right-hand man, Joe Parker, has a very good relationship with Castiglione and is also connected at Texas.

* Bailey and Powers were both at the NCAA meetings earlier this week.

* Finally, this won't wrap up quickly. There are a lot of moving parts, and you're going to hear a lot of speculation in the coming weeks about School X talking to Conference Y -- just prepare yourself for that.
This post was edited on 8/11 8:54 PM by A. Dickens
 

Hector.sixpack

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Shmuley said:
* Level had two sources close to the situation in Norman -- Murdock is not one of them -- who referred to the SEC as a "cesspool" in terms of academics, recruiting practices and the like.
Sounds like a tabloid. I swear, these ppl out West seriously don't think their athletic departments recruit 5* players that are 4.0 students do they. Oh...and they don't "help" players either.
 

Hector.sixpack

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Shmuley said:
* Level had two sources close to the situation in Norman -- Murdock is not one of them -- who referred to the SEC as a "cesspool" in terms of academics, recruiting practices and the like.
Sounds like a tabloid. I swear, these ppl out West seriously don't think their athletic departments recruit 5* players that are 4.0 students do they. Oh...and they don't "help" players either.
 

RebelBruiser

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If Alabama or Florida were pulling a Texas within the SEC and say Kentucky had already bolted for the Big East, and UT had left for the ACC, leaving a 10 team conference on shaky ground, we would be in that spot, praying for the right dominos to fall so we didn't both end up in the MWC or CUSA.

Texas Tech is in that spot of hoping and praying things fall out right, but with little guarantee they will.
 

RebelBruiser

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I get the Big 10 trying to claim academic superiority. For one thing, all of their universities are very strong academically, but the main reason is they've fallen off the map as far as football strength lately, so academic superiority is the only thing they have left to claim.

Oklahoma makes no sense. They're a traditional football power that's still killing it on the gridiron. Even if you want to feel academically superior, having good football doesn't hurt that.

And as far as the recruiting cesspool, Oklahoma has ALWAYS been one of the leaders when it comes to taking good care of football players. We're talking Norman, Oklahoma here, and you mean to tell me kids from Texas are begging to do that over Austin?
 

tcprdr321

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This Texas Tech Alum (and most others I know) would actually be happy to see the Big 12 collapse -- regardless of what conference we ended up in. Anything to get away from the politics and inequality of the Big One + Nine. Personally, I don't tolerate bullying from anyone or anything. If I had my way, I would love to see the old SWC get back together -- with equal revenuedistributionof course. One can dream. <div>
</div><div>Texas Tech is a lot like Mississippi State in my eyes. Solid academic school withathletic programson the cusp of greatness -- but never getting the respect they truly deserve. The difference is MSU has more level footing in the SEC compared to Texas Tech in the Big 12. No one is pushing MSU downfinanciallyto keep them from succeeding. I have never claimed Texas Tech to be a "powerhouse" in anything, but we are "really good" in a lot of things. I would just like for the school to have theopportunityto make the next step -- both academically and athletically. That will never happen with the way things are now.
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</div><div>If these reports are true, I find it amusing that Oklahoma made the comments that they did. I would see TAMU being the one who wouldn't want to be associated with the SEC for "academic" reasons before the Sooners. Oklahoma is consistently dead last in the Big 12 forgraduationrates of football players. TAMU's footballgraduationrate is usually middle of the pack.
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patdog

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As much as some people like to ***** about the big schools in the SEC, the one thing they have ALWAYS done is share the revenue pretty much equally (schools do get a bigger share of the payout from bowl games they play in, but other than that it's 1/12 to everybody). I'd definitely hate to be in your shoes. At least Texas Tech will probably land in a good conference no matter what happens. Some of the other Big 12 schools probably won't be as lucky if the Big 12 does fall apart.
 

buddawg

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It's about 17ing football, not academics. Maybe OU should join the 17ing ivy league.
 

Stormrider81

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The SEC is dirty, always has been and always will be. Not that others aren't also dirty, but we've pretty well established that the SEC is, in fact, a cesspool.
 

8dog

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Are USC from the almighty p-12 and the current anOSU debacle The sec cheats but they can sell that holier than though **** to someone else. I think that's a smokescreen for not getting red carpet treatment from the sec

Oh and az st is in the midst of baseball sanctions which is pretty damn tough to do
 

catvet

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to look down at another conference and throw stones is stupid. Texas and all of the SWC defined cheating for many years and for Oklahoma to say anything when Switzer coached there and guns were blazing all over campus and in the dorms is hypocritical and arrogant. There may only be two schools from the SEC in the AAU Universities, but every school in the conference is in the Tier I of ratings which is a start. It's hard to make up ground when rich industialists from over a century ago gave alot of these schools a head start.
 

RonnyAtmosphere

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"OU won't go the SEC," Murdock wrote. "(Oklahoma president David) Boren doesn't want any part of the SEC. He has spent a major part of his life building up Oklahoma's academic reputation and if OU went to the SEC, the perception might be that OU is nothing more than a football school. That would pretty much destroy every mention you've heard about OU having more national merit scholars per capita than any other public institution in the country."
I need to know the source of this lampoon.

Because there is no way this **** is serious.

OU is to academic achievement what coach34 is to the coaching profession.
 

tcprdr321

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Actually it is true. Oklahoma is very highlyrecognizedacademically -- but as an overall school. Oklahoma is number one in the nation for the number of National Merit Scholars among publicuniversities and top five of public universities in graduation of Rhodes Scholars.<div>
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RonnyAtmosphere

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...our higher echelons of business, government & academia are now being manned by Oklahoma grads. The Harvard, Yale & Vanderbilt grads are now taking a back seat to Sooners with degrees.


Every university in America has their "we are a great academic institution" spin.


Oklahoma is a football school that has hired some career academic to serve as OU spin doctor when it comes to academics.


That OU is using its alleged high academic standards as an excuse to not join the SEC is like coach34 saying he turned down a job to coach QB's @ Delta State because he is too in love with his career as a rubber salesman.
 

tcprdr321

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Harvard, Yale, and Vanderbilt are PRIVATE universities. Oklahoma ranks the highest among PUBLIC universities. I agree all schools put a spin on these things, but the number of National Merit Scholars and Rhodes Scholars a school has are facts you can look up.