> Most believe the next name on UM's list is Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen, who was supposed to be in town today to visit a recruit. Mullen didn't end up making the trip because he's battling the flu. But I've heard through a third party who spoke with one of Mullen's assistants that the former Gators offensive coordinator believes he already has a better job. He's coaching in the SEC and has facilities are better. As of Wednesday night, we hadn't heard that Mullen had spoken to anyone from UM involved in the hiring process. But that may happen today as Hocutt and his peeps continue to make their rounds.
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> Most believe the next name on UM's list is Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen, who was supposed to be in town today to visit a recruit. Mullen didn't end up making the trip because he's battling the flu. But I've heard through a third party who spoke with one of Mullen's assistants that the former Gators offensive coordinator believes he already has a better job. He's coaching in the SEC and has facilities are better. As of Wednesday night, we hadn't heard that Mullen had spoken to anyone from UM involved in the hiring process. But that may happen today as Hocutt and his peeps continue to make their rounds.
With Miami it's not about facilities - it's about a tradition of winning, being in the center of the most fertile recruiting in the country and playing in a weak conference w/ a BCS affiliation. You can't deny there are positives to going to the U. However, if I were Mullen I'd wait around for the UGa or Fla jobs - jobs that have the same kind of upsides w/o all the downsides.
and MSU has better facilities, fan support and they in the best conference in the country, but its in the toughest division in football.
If your goal is to win National Titles, I would take the Miami job because the road to the BCS is easier. Personally I would take the Miami gig over UGA but not over Florida. Miami has such pull not just in Miami but across the southeast as being the U and the right coach couldmake that school a mininum 10 win a season school due to the schedule and talent.
At MSU or Ole Miss, you can have a talented team and play really well and only win 8 games.IthinkMullen stays at MSU.
If your goal is to win National Titles, I would take the Miami job because the road to the BCS is easier. Personally I would take the Miami gig over UGA but not over Florida. Miami has such pull not just in Miami but across the southeast as being the U and the right coach couldmake that school a mininum 10 win a season school due to the schedule and talent.
At MSU or Ole Miss, you can have a talented team and play really well and only win 8 games.IthinkMullen stays at MSU.
about the Miami job. I'm not talking about Mullen taking it or not, that's his call, but I think he feels the same way about the SEC that a lot of us do.
Sure, Miami has easier recruiting and a much easier path to the National Championship, but I would not leave the SEC if I was able to coach. In the SEC we all live a breath our college football. You have 60,000 outside the stadium tailgating and 55,000 packed inside going nuts for every game. You've got cowbells and Dixie (at least for a little while still) and War Eagles and gator chomps and all the other **** that makes the SEC the best conference in college football. I just couldn't walk away from sold out stadiums full of people cheering for my team to take a job working in a ****** stadium that is 20 miles away from campus that is 1/3rd full.
The one thing Mullen constantly talks about is coaching in the SEC. I could see him leaving for one of the premiere jobs but I just don't see Miami being that. Some people don't want to take the easy way, some people want to prove they can win against good competition.
Sure, Miami has easier recruiting and a much easier path to the National Championship, but I would not leave the SEC if I was able to coach. In the SEC we all live a breath our college football. You have 60,000 outside the stadium tailgating and 55,000 packed inside going nuts for every game. You've got cowbells and Dixie (at least for a little while still) and War Eagles and gator chomps and all the other **** that makes the SEC the best conference in college football. I just couldn't walk away from sold out stadiums full of people cheering for my team to take a job working in a ****** stadium that is 20 miles away from campus that is 1/3rd full.
The one thing Mullen constantly talks about is coaching in the SEC. I could see him leaving for one of the premiere jobs but I just don't see Miami being that. Some people don't want to take the easy way, some people want to prove they can win against good competition.
title but I don't think it is as easy as it was when they were winning their titles several years ago. They were running an extremely rogue program and for the most part getting away with it for whatever reason. With the exception of this recent Cam decision which isn't over, today's environment is different and the playing field is much more level than it was back then. It is simply tougher to dominate now than it was then. Just my opinion.
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If your goal as a college coach is to win a National Title, don't you go to a school that gives you an easier shot at winning one. I agree with everything you said about the SEC and all the tradition that comes with it, but with that tradition comes a schedule that is just ridiculous. MSU's schedule next year is brutal. The team could be just as good as this year's team and go 6-6, the SEC west is just that good.
The deal with Miami is that it is still the U and they play in the 2nd worst BCS conference.
I guess it depends on what is important to you. If you want the tradition, the pageantry, sure stay in the SEC. If you want to have an easy shot at playing for National Titles, go to Miami.
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The deal with Miami is that it is still the U and they play in the 2nd worst BCS conference.
I guess it depends on what is important to you. If you want the tradition, the pageantry, sure stay in the SEC. If you want to have an easy shot at playing for National Titles, go to Miami.
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Next year is probably the easiest schedule we have had in 5 years or so. We aren't Ole Miss, we probably won't choke away easy games.OMlawdog said:
But I get your overall point, Miami is an easier place to win a NC.
that every SEC game is brutal. Just no way to get around it. The only thing we can control is the OOC games and we are setting ourselves up to do well in those.
Though we also choke away tough games as well, so don't sell us short.
I agree with DS about the SEC schedule being tough, but from what I think about next year's team, I would rank MSUtoughest to easiestgames in the SECas follows:
Alabama
LSU
@Arkansas
South Carolina
@Auburn (assuming Newton leaves)
@Georgia
@Kentucky
Ole Miss
I know DS posted about this earlier. Its sets up nicely if you can win the home games and if you are ready to make the next step. I have no idea how good MSU will be next year, I assume the offense will be good, but the defense loses some really good players. Y'all just proved you can beat us in Oxford, so in my eyes thats a wasted home game for y'all. I would think you would much rather play home against UGA and @Oxford. Like I said, I have no idea how good MSU will be next year, so maybe the schedule sets up perfectly, but I think Arkansas, Georgia, and Auburn are all very winnable games for MSU and they are all on the road, which makes it tougher, in my opinion.
I agree with DS about the SEC schedule being tough, but from what I think about next year's team, I would rank MSUtoughest to easiestgames in the SECas follows:
Alabama
LSU
@Arkansas
South Carolina
@Auburn (assuming Newton leaves)
@Georgia
@Kentucky
Ole Miss
I know DS posted about this earlier. Its sets up nicely if you can win the home games and if you are ready to make the next step. I have no idea how good MSU will be next year, I assume the offense will be good, but the defense loses some really good players. Y'all just proved you can beat us in Oxford, so in my eyes thats a wasted home game for y'all. I would think you would much rather play home against UGA and @Oxford. Like I said, I have no idea how good MSU will be next year, so maybe the schedule sets up perfectly, but I think Arkansas, Georgia, and Auburn are all very winnable games for MSU and they are all on the road, which makes it tougher, in my opinion.
If you believe that your talent level next year is on par with LSU/Bama and if you have a legit shot to go to Atlanta, I agree you want those at home.
If you think that you will be a solid/good team but not Top 10 type team like Bama/LSU, I personally would rather have those games on the road.
As you point out,out of those5 games, the three you think are most winnable are all on the road. Personally I would rather havemy two toughest games on theroad (LSU/Bama), and then mytwo easier conf games (KY and OM) on the road, and the otherfour (Arkansas, AU, UGA, SC) at home giving me a chance to go 6-2.
Do you think you have a better chance of going 6-2 with this schedule:
Bama
LSU
Ole Miss
South Carolina
@ Arkansa
@ AU
@ UGA
@ KY
or
@Bama
@LSU
@Ole Miss
@Kentucky
Arkansas
AU
UGA
South Carolina
I switched SC and KY for the overall point that I see 6 games that you would be either favored or less than a 3 point dogon the bottom schedule. With the top schedule I could see you being an underdog by 6 or more on 4 of those games.
If you think that you will be a solid/good team but not Top 10 type team like Bama/LSU, I personally would rather have those games on the road.
As you point out,out of those5 games, the three you think are most winnable are all on the road. Personally I would rather havemy two toughest games on theroad (LSU/Bama), and then mytwo easier conf games (KY and OM) on the road, and the otherfour (Arkansas, AU, UGA, SC) at home giving me a chance to go 6-2.
Do you think you have a better chance of going 6-2 with this schedule:
Bama
LSU
Ole Miss
South Carolina
@ Arkansa
@ AU
@ UGA
@ KY
or
@Bama
@LSU
@Ole Miss
@Kentucky
Arkansas
AU
UGA
South Carolina
I switched SC and KY for the overall point that I see 6 games that you would be either favored or less than a 3 point dogon the bottom schedule. With the top schedule I could see you being an underdog by 6 or more on 4 of those games.
in 10 years. Will we win - 95% chance of no. But I do think we are arguably the 3rd best team in the West next year so I would rather play Bama and LSU at home.
Sherrod, McPhee, White, Wright and Brigone.Im pretty sure all five of those guys will be on NFL rosters next year, and everyone except Brigone will more than likely get drafted.Also I don't know enough about Arkansas and AUroster except thatthey will both be looking for new QB's, and AU's OL will be completely new. Ican see how you would be in the mix for that3rd spot.
I don't want this to turn into a pissing match about how good MSU will be next year, I just assumed that these losses will hurt, especially Sherrod and White, (who I can't wait to leave Starkville). I really believe he is the best LB MSU has had since Haggan, and I would take White over Haggan due to the speed. Since MSU was losing four NFL draft picks, I figured there would be some struggle to replace those guys, but like I said,I don't know enough about the backups.
I don't want this to turn into a pissing match about how good MSU will be next year, I just assumed that these losses will hurt, especially Sherrod and White, (who I can't wait to leave Starkville). I really believe he is the best LB MSU has had since Haggan, and I would take White over Haggan due to the speed. Since MSU was losing four NFL draft picks, I figured there would be some struggle to replace those guys, but like I said,I don't know enough about the backups.
But we will upgrade significantly at WR and our young DL and RBs will have a year of experience (Ladarius Perkins is a freshman who's just beginning to show his potential). We won't contend for the West title, but I do expect another 8-win regular season.
but sooner or later down that path they will have to play and beat one or more of the SEC teams that are in the hunt as well .... not sure if I would call that an easier path.... besides, everyone knows how Miami treats their coaches .... no loyalty to them at allAssEndDawg said:
We've got 3 pretty tough home games against Bama, LSU, and SC. I think we can get one of those at home. UK and OM should be wins, along with Auburn. I think we should be able to beat UGA and Arky on the road, but I can see us losing one or both ofthose.
Bama plays @UF, home against LSU, @MSU, and @Auburn. Probably their 4 toughest games of the year.
LSU plays@MSU,@Bama, @UT, and have Arky and UF at home
I could see the West winner next year being 5-3 in the SEC. If we are going to have a shot at the West, we probably have to win 2 out of the 3 against Bama, LSU, and SC. Gonna be tough, but we return a lot of good pieces, and Bama will lose a lot of impact players including 4 or 5 juniors to the NFL Draft.
Bama plays @UF, home against LSU, @MSU, and @Auburn. Probably their 4 toughest games of the year.
LSU plays@MSU,@Bama, @UT, and have Arky and UF at home
I could see the West winner next year being 5-3 in the SEC. If we are going to have a shot at the West, we probably have to win 2 out of the 3 against Bama, LSU, and SC. Gonna be tough, but we return a lot of good pieces, and Bama will lose a lot of impact players including 4 or 5 juniors to the NFL Draft.
Auburn is one win away from playing for the national title. I know they lose some players, but a road game at Auburn won't be a "should win" game.
Highly unlikely we win both of those games. Best realistic hope is for 1-1, but could easily be 0-2.
For that to happen, the East would have to be as dominant next year as the West was this year. That would be a HUGE swing in just one season. Not gonna happen.
Just because Auburn is one game from the title doesn't mean things don't change over the course of a year. We should beat Auburn next year. We may not be favored in that game because it's in Auburn, but we are the better team. We beat them if they don't have Cam Newton this year. Next year you can take away Cam, Fairley, and 24 seniors. We return a ton of people from a game we lost by 3 points.If we are where wethink we are, that game is a should win because Auburn next year will be a shell of what they are this year.
I think we can win both UGA and Arky, but like I said, it would be easy for usto loseone or both. Most likely to Arkansas because we never play well there. My freshman year in '06 we almost beat UGA inAthens with Henig as QB, so I think we can win that game more easily.
Why would the East have to be dominant? If each of the West contenders lose to an east team, the West could fight amongst each other and end up with a 3 loss champion. There will be 4 legit 8 win contenders in the West next year. Bama, LSU, MSU, and Arkansas.Youtelling me they can't beat each other and end up with a 3 loss champion?Bama loses a ton of leadership, we get better, Arkansas loses Mallett. LSU has a good shot of only losing 1 or 2, but they still have to play the games and not screw up.
I think we can win both UGA and Arky, but like I said, it would be easy for usto loseone or both. Most likely to Arkansas because we never play well there. My freshman year in '06 we almost beat UGA inAthens with Henig as QB, so I think we can win that game more easily.
Why would the East have to be dominant? If each of the West contenders lose to an east team, the West could fight amongst each other and end up with a 3 loss champion. There will be 4 legit 8 win contenders in the West next year. Bama, LSU, MSU, and Arkansas.Youtelling me they can't beat each other and end up with a 3 loss champion?Bama loses a ton of leadership, we get better, Arkansas loses Mallett. LSU has a good shot of only losing 1 or 2, but they still have to play the games and not screw up.
About the only way would be to have 3 teams go 3-2 and 3 more go 2-3 (you could also do it with 5 teams at 3-2 and 1 at 0-5). So to get a 3-loss West champion you'd have to have your best West teams losing 2+ East games.
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Ask yourself this. How many times has a team won a division with 3 losses (I think the answer is two)? And how many of those times was the other division dominant (and not just by a small margin)?</p>
4 SEC West teams lose starting QB's, if you include Cam,whose backups have 1 or 0 starts to their name. Hartline is the only QB to graduate from an East team. UGA will be better, Florida will be better, SC will be as good, and Tennessee will be better.
Bama has to travel to Florida which won't be an easy game. They also could lose to us, LSU, Arkansas will tough,or even Auburn in Auburn since it's a rivalry game. Bama ends the season again with LSU, MSU, Ga Southern (gimmie game), but still travel to Jordan-Hare. Tough stretch.
LSU plays in Neyland which will be a tough game. They also play us in Starkville, @Bama, home against Florida, and again Arkansas still is a tough game for them. LSU has a6 game stretch of @ MSU, @WV, home UK, home Florida, @TN, and home Auburn. I can see them losing 2 SEC games there, with Bama and Arkansas still left to play.
Bama and LSU have 5 SEC games that will test them, and both play Florida. The SEC may not have a dominant team next year. You're right, it's more likely the West will have a team win with 2 losses, but I can see it possibly being a 3 loss year for the West Champion.
Bama has to travel to Florida which won't be an easy game. They also could lose to us, LSU, Arkansas will tough,or even Auburn in Auburn since it's a rivalry game. Bama ends the season again with LSU, MSU, Ga Southern (gimmie game), but still travel to Jordan-Hare. Tough stretch.
LSU plays in Neyland which will be a tough game. They also play us in Starkville, @Bama, home against Florida, and again Arkansas still is a tough game for them. LSU has a6 game stretch of @ MSU, @WV, home UK, home Florida, @TN, and home Auburn. I can see them losing 2 SEC games there, with Bama and Arkansas still left to play.
Bama and LSU have 5 SEC games that will test them, and both play Florida. The SEC may not have a dominant team next year. You're right, it's more likely the West will have a team win with 2 losses, but I can see it possibly being a 3 loss year for the West Champion.
if we can go 6-2 in the league - we have a shot of going to Atlanta. I know it's slim but it's our highest chance - like I said - since 2001.
Alabama - Ingram, Julio Jones, McCleroy, Marcell Darius
Auburn - Newton, Lee Ziemba, Ken Fairly (I think he leaves),
Arkansas - Mallet, DJ Williams,
LSU - Patrick Peterson, Drake Navis, Kelvin Sheppard
I think Arkansas is gonna be the team to beat next year in the West. Bama will be improved on D, but they lose 2 first rounders on offense and a QB. Auburn loses almost everything in Newton, and maybe Malzahn(?).
My guess at SEC West next year:
Arkansas
Bama/LSU
LSU/Bama
MSU
Auburn
OM
Auburn - Newton, Lee Ziemba, Ken Fairly (I think he leaves),
Arkansas - Mallet, DJ Williams,
LSU - Patrick Peterson, Drake Navis, Kelvin Sheppard
I think Arkansas is gonna be the team to beat next year in the West. Bama will be improved on D, but they lose 2 first rounders on offense and a QB. Auburn loses almost everything in Newton, and maybe Malzahn(?).
My guess at SEC West next year:
Arkansas
Bama/LSU
LSU/Bama
MSU
Auburn
OM
The SEC and Big 12 have dominated appearances and wins since the BCS. More teams from the SEC have also made appearances. If Auburn goes that will be the 5th different team since 1998. Therefore, It is way more likely for MSU to win a National Championship coming out of the SEC than it is for any team coming out of the ACC. It is built in that if you run the SEC gauntlet you have a good team and they could win it all. Even though it might seem logical it will be easier to win all your games with an easier schedule, teams that have easier schedules are not winning the BCS championship. There was talk when the BCS started that the leagues that played a championship game would have a disadvantage. That has proved to be the opposite.
So is it tough for MSU to get thru the SEC? Yes, but they will be rewarded if they do. Heck you have to figure that if we had gotten Cam to come to State, we could be in Auburn's shoes right now.
So is it tough for MSU to get thru the SEC? Yes, but they will be rewarded if they do. Heck you have to figure that if we had gotten Cam to come to State, we could be in Auburn's shoes right now.
Bama will also probably lose Barron to the draft, and Donta Hightower, who was a big leader on that defense.
Auburn loses Adams and Burns at WR,6 OL 4 of which start, 3 DL, 2 in the secondary and 2 at LB,alongwith a various host of other backups. Auburn will look completely different, and they will have Barrett Trotter at QB, who has zero experience.
LSU returnssome good people onoffense, and I think they are probably the team to beat. They should be pretty good next year.
Arkansas is the wild card for me. Mallett leaves, but Davis comes back, and their backup QB is pretty good. They will make noise and be a solid team again.
Auburn loses Adams and Burns at WR,6 OL 4 of which start, 3 DL, 2 in the secondary and 2 at LB,alongwith a various host of other backups. Auburn will look completely different, and they will have Barrett Trotter at QB, who has zero experience.
LSU returnssome good people onoffense, and I think they are probably the team to beat. They should be pretty good next year.
Arkansas is the wild card for me. Mallett leaves, but Davis comes back, and their backup QB is pretty good. They will make noise and be a solid team again.
Uhm, no. The fact that LSU, Bama, Florida, Tennessee, and now likely Auburn have gone or will go to the title game (LSU and UF multiple times) isn't helping MSU's chances of winning a title, it's hurting them. They are the haves. We are one of the have nots. The slate is just too tough, and we're not likely to ever have a team good enough to go through it unbeaten.Bulldog Bruce said:
You act like ACC teams aren't playing for the title because of their strength of schedule or something. They're not playing for the title because they haven't been good enough. Put together a team that's good enough to go undefeated in that conference, and you're going to play for the title just about every time. That can be done at Miami way easier than amassing enough talent at MSU to go undefeated in the SEC. Now, obviously not just any bozo can do it, see Shannon and Coker. But it has been done several times, and it can be done again.