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Felonious Junk

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“Do I sit around and second-guess the call? Absolutely,” Freeze said. “You better believe I do. I’m my worst critic. But the decision, since everybody has an opinion I’ll be glad to share you mine — the first time we do that and go quarterback sneak, which is my natural progression to do and I’ve proven that through the games, they go to a bear defense and end up about a yard in our backfield. That’s the decision not to do the sneak, because I thought they would jump in bear again and we would have our hands full. Obviously I wish we had it over now and we would call something different. But I had about five seconds to make that decision.”

http://www.clarionledger.com/articl...ming-oh-close?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports

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Sugardog

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He has to look back at his decision and ....Grin and Bear it. I bet he could Bearly believe they did not make the first down. They Bearly missed it.
 
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Dawgzilla

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Mar 3, 2008
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LOL. "I had about five seconds to make that decision".....because he wasted his last timeout after challenging the non-safety call.
 
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dawgstudent

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He should have challenged that safety. That was the correct call even if it was his last timeout.
 
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Dawgzilla

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No, he called a timeout AFTER the challenge....

They burned two timeouts there. One on the challenge, and then a second one because they didn't know what defense to be in after they lost the challenge.
 
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patdog

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The timeout was because he lost the challenge. Per the play-by-play, UM called time outs at 9:05 of the 3rd quarter, at 9:41 of the 4th, and then on the non-safety challenge. Losing the challenge was his last time out.
 
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Dawgzilla

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patdog said:
The timeout was because he lost the challenge. Per the play-by-play, UM called time outs at 9:05 of the 3rd quarter, at 9:41 of the 4th, and then on the non-safety challenge. Losing the challenge was his last time out.
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Perhaps I am mistaken.....I admit I was trying to watch 3 games at once at that time, but it was strange that the teams lined up to play and then the refs signalled for the timeout. Also, I don't think the challenge was very wise.
 
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NewTweederEndzoneDance

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Hey, on the bright side for OM fans, at least he didn't say: "Our players just have to work harder and execute that play better". /Crooms
 
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Woof Man Jack

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Didn't want to sneak?? Ok, I'll cut him slack on that....But a handoff in the shotgun?? That turns 4th and inches into 4th and three. Hopefully, the TAM defense said thanks.
 
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DancingRabbit

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Easy to see why you and I were both thinking UM wasted TWO time-outs there.

When I saw this post I was thinking I'm sure they blew 2 time-outs right there.

Just looked at the ESPN3 replay. After the delay for the challenge review, the teams lined up for the next play and the refs called a media time-out (barely audible on TV). As the broadcast went to commercial break the announcers said Ole Miss is now out of time-outs and the screen graphic showed 2 time-outs left for Ole Miss, then showed zero.

So, TV had been showing 2 time-outs left for UM up until that play but they really only had one.
 
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CadaverDawg

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angusyoung said:
“Do I sit around and second-guess the call? Absolutely,” Freeze said. “You better believe I do. I’m my worst critic. But the decision, since everybody has an opinion I’ll be glad to share you mine — the first time we do that and go quarterback sneak, which is my natural progression to do and I’ve proven that through the games, they go to a bear defense and end up about a yard in our backfield. That’s the decision not to do the sneak, because I thought they would jump in bear again and we would have our hands full. Obviously I wish we had it over now and we would call something different. But I had about five seconds to make that decision.”

http://www.clarionledger.com/articl...ming-oh-close?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports

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Well Hugh, it appears that aTm still went to their "Bear" defense even though you went shotgun....so instead of having to gain an inch against the "Bear" defense, thanks to your call you had to gain 3 Yards against the "Bear" defense. Looks like you're going to have to just grin and bear it. Does this really bear repeating?
 
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Justanothersmartassmfer

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Aug 23, 2012
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Just to bandwagon on another cl headline, I read the bears were sick and tired of almost winning an sec game. I thought, dang... This moral victory thing really has gone to their head. Has any other recent game really been this close?
 
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Dawgzilla

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DancingRabbit said:
When I saw this post I was thinking I'm sure they blew 2 time-outs right there.

Just looked at the ESPN3 replay. After the delay for the challenge review, the teams lined up for the next play and the refs called a media time-out (barely audible on TV). As the broadcast went to commercial break the announcers said Ole Miss is now out of time-outs and the screen graphic showed 2 time-outs left for Ole Miss, then showed zero.

So, TV had been showing 2 time-outs left for UM up until that play but they really only had one.
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Thanks. At least I'm not a total dubmass, only partial.
 
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engie

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Dawgzilla said:
Thanks. At least I'm not a total dubmass, only partial.
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Fact, that is exactly what happened.

Makes the challenge somewhat more questionable since it had potential to cost them their LAST timeout....
 
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grimedawg1

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Situation

The problem with Freeze's quote here is that I would think most coaches have thought through these types of situations and know what play they will go to in particular game situations. I understand that game conditions may require some change from your plans. But, if you have a plan for what to do instead of going on a hunch, you don't have to be pressured by the five second time limit to decide the play call. Freeze seems to have done a good job of getting Ole Miss to play harder, but the call to go for it and the actual play call were not smart decisions. With an inch to go, you have to sneak there (if you don't do what you should have done in the first place, which is punt).
 
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operch

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And to put the shoe on Dan's foot, I thought he at the beginning of a third down play knew if he did not make a first he was going on fourth down and called play accordingly.
 
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DAWG61

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Sure enough you're correct. 17ing ESPNU left 2 timeouts on the tv after the 9:41 mark. Till you said that I was under the belief that Freeze wasted the last two during the missed challenge.
 
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patdog

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My biggest problem with the call is that was the 6th straight handoff to Jeff Scott on that drive. He had success on the first 3, but A&M had just stopped that play cold 2 plays in a row and he called it again. You just can't be that predictible. Especially with a 160 lb back who isn't going to get yards (or even inches) after contact.
 
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fishwater99

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DS... You would have gone for it?


I would have punted every time, give them the long field to work with...
 
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Todd4State

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Not DS, but I would have punted

And yes, someone will probably show me the stats that say you should go for it every fourth down and all of that. But the fact of the matter is, Ole Miss has a team that doesn't have a whole lot of confidence and hasn't won a SEC game in a couple of years. They're a shot gun team that doesn't line up under center a whole lot to sneak it, run a dive or whatever- it's out of their element. It was just too risky- if they didn't get it, A&M has it on the 30 or so with plenty of time and momentum to score. And they would have had time to hand it off since Johnny Football wasn't playing all that well.

So, by punting, you put them back around their 20 or so hopefully and you have to hope that your defense can hold them- and A&M had to have a TD because they were down by four, which is a key point with all of this. And yes, Ole Miss's defense was gassed and wasn't stopping them, but if A&M had scored fairly quickly, you would have to hope that with 3 minutes left in the game that you would get the ball back with enough time to put together a drive to get a FG and go to OT.

And also, by putting them back, you force them in a situation where they would have possibly had to run more passing plays with a QB that was having a bad night. The further you put them back, the better chance you have of your defense creating a turnover.

So, I think when you look at everything, it was a really BAD decision to even go for it and he compounded it by calling a horrible play. A high school team should be able to get an inch on a QB sneak more often than not. So, Freeze saying that they had to run a counter or a trap or whatever that play was he is essentially saying:

1. He doesn't believe his team can go man up and get an inch without doing some kind of misdirection to try to trick the other team.

2. He doesn't believe in his defense.
 
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