From today's basketball presser...
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Yea, the Shawn Long situation was just the old can't win for losing type deal for MSU. We took him late in the process when he didn't have offers from any other big time schools because we needed a big body but he apparently ended up leaving MSU because of a baby daddy situation. True to our luck he turned out to be a really good player and would have been a very nice diamond in the rough find for us had he stayed. But as MSU luck would have it, even when we luck into a good player the hand of fate steps in and immediately takes him away.
Was he responding to specific questions or just blowing off some steam?
There's a big difference. If he's responding to questions/comments, he's being honest. If he's offering it unsolicited to garner sympathy, that's a ***** move.
Regardless, we don't even have enough bodies to have an intrasquad scrimmage. This year is off limits from any real criticism from me. If we don't show significant improvement this time next year with more bodies and a true PG, it's time to start bitching. Basketball doesn't require the turnaround time that football does, but he damn sure should have a 1 season pass before any real judgement is passed.
There's a big difference. If he's responding to questions/comments, he's being honest. If he's offering it unsolicited to garner sympathy, that's a ***** move.
Regardless, we don't even have enough bodies to have an intrasquad scrimmage. This year is off limits from any real criticism from me. If we don't show significant improvement this time next year with more bodies and a true PG, it's time to start bitching. Basketball doesn't require the turnaround time that football does, but he damn sure should have a 1 season pass before any real judgement is passed.
What y'all fail to realize is he's asked a question, he answers it honestly. What did he say that isn't the Gods honest truth? He also said the following which no one is even
commenting on.
"I don't need people to feel sorry about what's going on. … It's just, I'm stating facts."
"I wake up every day and I'm thankful that I'm the head coach at Mississippi State. … I have no buyer's remorse being head coach" at MSU.
commenting on.
"I don't need people to feel sorry about what's going on. … It's just, I'm stating facts."
"I wake up every day and I'm thankful that I'm the head coach at Mississippi State. … I have no buyer's remorse being head coach" at MSU.
Noah, I didn't realize you were old enough to visit message boards....time really does fly. Do you and your brothers ruin Daddy's fishing the way you ruined his team huddles?*
I have no idea I'd Ray was the right choice or not. Stans retiring was the right decision. He had enough time to get the program back in order and instead he kept hustling for the next season.
Much like UK, doing that doesn't always work- see their record this season.
Different playing field, same approach.
He wasnt building a program anymore, he was just trying to replace players on a yearly basis and ran out of time.
you obviously have never dealt with young athletes...sometimes no matter what you say or do; or what consequences you put in place kids are going to do what they want and hope they get away with it. stupidity on the part of the players is not on ray.
It is a flub because of the other option available to Sticklin...
without a doubt he blew it.
without a doubt he blew it.
He needs more games like Bama to show recruits and the world that he knows what he's doing and that Mississippi State basketball has a future. Good high school players have a tremendous chance to start for an SEC team next season. Better showings would make us watchable enough to be spoken of in other than embarrassed, shocked, and hushed whispers.
I agree with Coach 34 about the discipline, but I wonder if he shouldn't have given himself and the players more of a chance to think about adjust to the new situation. We need to somehow find a way to show something. Ray is trying to build the team with players that are his. Bringing fb players in just to salvage a miniscule part of this season would create too many issues imo.
I agree with Coach 34 about the discipline, but I wonder if he shouldn't have given himself and the players more of a chance to think about adjust to the new situation. We need to somehow find a way to show something. Ray is trying to build the team with players that are his. Bringing fb players in just to salvage a miniscule part of this season would create too many issues imo.
Funny how all these comments were tweeted one right after the other by brad Locke today then. Cause that's where I copied the quoted from.
Suspect recruiting, blowout losses to a rebuilding Vandy, and whining about your circumstances are a good way to turn a 4 year gig into 3.
Excellent point about the freshmen.
I haven't looked at it that way. I hope the key word isn't "yet" though.
I haven't looked at it that way. I hope the key word isn't "yet" though.
If you are 18 years old, on a free ride for school and need an escort to class, we have more serious issues on our hands.
dude
you need to get the 17 over yourself. eVERY single one of your posts are in response to someone saying a coach sucks, and you coming back with "you're racist." Seriously. There are black coaches that suck. There are white coaches that suck. There are Asian coaches that suck. Etc Etc Etc. If you suck, you suck and you're going to get called for it.
It's funny you accuse this poster (and the others) of being racist, when in actuallity, you are the one being racist.
you need to get the 17 over yourself. eVERY single one of your posts are in response to someone saying a coach sucks, and you coming back with "you're racist." Seriously. There are black coaches that suck. There are white coaches that suck. There are Asian coaches that suck. Etc Etc Etc. If you suck, you suck and you're going to get called for it.
It's funny you accuse this poster (and the others) of being racist, when in actuallity, you are the one being racist.
He was asked a direct question about the short bench, and answered it honestly
and yes, he did later clarify the comments. So yes, simply taking 1-2 sentences without using the context of the actual question he was asked is the very definition of taking something out of context. Either way you want to split the hairs, he didn't say anything that was not true, and he didn't just walk up to a mic and start bitching about it.
It's been a long season, and I get that everyone is frustrated. But some people on this board simply use the misery to further their own agendas. That's just a fact. I'm not saying you are doing that, but rather that its very common, especially on here.
ETA: Yes, you actually left out most of the answer he gave. So spare me your sanctimonious ********
In a sense, is it almost not a fair fight with the short bench?
That’s a good question. The thing that we have to realize, and our team knows it, is there’s nobody – there’s nobody – in the country that has went through what we’ve went through. I don’t care what level: NAIA, Division II, junior college. With the numbers that we have. I would wonder if anybody in history of college basketball has gone through what we’ve went through as far as the off-the-court issues and the injuries. It’s been a trying season and to our guys’ credit they’ve really hung in there and tried to be good citizens and do some of the things we want them to do on the court and continue to try to compete. When someone says I understand what you’re going through, no you don’t. You really don’t. You can’t use it as an excuse at the end of the day. You have to go out and try to compete and win ball games because no one is cancelling the season.
and yes, he did later clarify the comments. So yes, simply taking 1-2 sentences without using the context of the actual question he was asked is the very definition of taking something out of context. Either way you want to split the hairs, he didn't say anything that was not true, and he didn't just walk up to a mic and start bitching about it.
It's been a long season, and I get that everyone is frustrated. But some people on this board simply use the misery to further their own agendas. That's just a fact. I'm not saying you are doing that, but rather that its very common, especially on here.
ETA: Yes, you actually left out most of the answer he gave. So spare me your sanctimonious ********
In a sense, is it almost not a fair fight with the short bench?
That’s a good question. The thing that we have to realize, and our team knows it, is there’s nobody – there’s nobody – in the country that has went through what we’ve went through. I don’t care what level: NAIA, Division II, junior college. With the numbers that we have. I would wonder if anybody in history of college basketball has gone through what we’ve went through as far as the off-the-court issues and the injuries. It’s been a trying season and to our guys’ credit they’ve really hung in there and tried to be good citizens and do some of the things we want them to do on the court and continue to try to compete. When someone says I understand what you’re going through, no you don’t. You really don’t. You can’t use it as an excuse at the end of the day. You have to go out and try to compete and win ball games because no one is cancelling the season.
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And again, you chose to only post a small portion of the actual quote
whether you took it from the tweets or not, what you posted was not the full story, even at the time of that exact quote. So once again, spare me your ********
whether you took it from the tweets or not, what you posted was not the full story, even at the time of that exact quote. So once again, spare me your ********
[FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Tweeder you defend Ray at all costs. We just lost by 41 to the WORST Vandy team any of us has ever seen. 41 at home and we made 7 field goals and shot 18%. We got out rebounded 51-20. We are 17ING AWFUL!! We have a legitimate claim as the worst power6 team in the last 30 years. We can't run a simple pick and roll or back door cut on offense. We are ranked 327 in ppg, 339 in Assists and 313 in fg%. I wanted Stansbury fired like a mofo and I wanted Kenny Payne. I'd take Bobby Knight over this **** every 17ing day. Do you seriously think old *** Bobby Knight would have a team as bad as Rick Ray's? Stop defending Ray and his putrid basketball team at all costs. [/FONT]
No, I've never coached or dealt with this age athlete (my experience stops at youth soccer and basketball) but I'm just talking in relative terms. All college basketball coaches are dealing with essentially the same type personalities but yet I don't know of another college basketball program around with the number of players booted or suspended that we've had this year. Are our kids THAT much worse than everyone else's? One bad apple or two I can see but we've had 5 or 6 now either kicked off or suspended from this team.
What you just said makes no sense, and I showed you why. I posted what he said when he said it regarding his feeling sorry for himself. He came back later and "clarified", probably after he was given a talking to. I'm not the one full of **** in this thread. And I wish I could find the guy who taught you the word "agenda" last week and kick his ***. He should have also taught you that we all have them.
We suck this year. I just don't think you can judge anything our basketball team does this season in regards to Ray's coaching abilities. If we had some able bodies, I would tend to look with a more critical eye.
This is true. I'm not critical of his game coaching so far, other that one or two bizarre in game decisions. The coaching part is up in the air. I am critical of other things he is doing.
I'm not defending him as being the answer and the right hire. I'm simply disputing the ******** notion that he can really be judged for anything this year. Because, quite frankly, he was dealt one hell of a bad hand and has not had anything resembling enough time to turn it into a better hand.
What I defend is his right to have the support of the MSU fanbase until such a time as he can properly be judged, which may be as soon as next year.
What I defend is his right to have the support of the MSU fanbase until such a time as he can properly be judged, which may be as soon as next year.
And I'm looking at it in the opposite direction. Show us you can find a way to score without relying on your talent. Show us you know how to run simple plays that every coach should be able to teach like a pick and roll or back door cut. Show us you can set double screens and roll out your only shooter Steele. He hasn't shown us any of that. What is his strategy on offense? This is when his X's and O's needs to shine over his players talent. Get your players open and in a spot on the floor they can score from. Only one of them can shoot so every time they jack up a 3 it tells me Ray doesn't know how to get them open closer to the basket. What's worse is that Ray can't teach shooting so there's no hope on offense unless he can recruit excellent 5* players and we all know that ain't happening.
Wrong. And I showed you why. But I'll do it again
you posted this:
However, the full quote, that contains your little snippet of a quote is this:
Notice how you only posted a portion of a quote, which is the very definition of not providing the entire context? If you are looking for the full quote, I got it from twitter, which led me to marcello's blog, where the full quote was located. See, its really not that hard to do a little fact checking before posting (as you so eagerly threw in the face of whosyourdawgy)
you posted this:
However, the full quote, that contains your little snippet of a quote is this:
Notice how you only posted a portion of a quote, which is the very definition of not providing the entire context? If you are looking for the full quote, I got it from twitter, which led me to marcello's blog, where the full quote was located. See, its really not that hard to do a little fact checking before posting (as you so eagerly threw in the face of whosyourdawgy)
I'll take a jab at the recruiting thus far. They appeared to jettison Gray to bring in Bloodman and Davis. Davis hurt his knee, which was unfortunate. But if this staff saw anything in Bloodman that would indicate he could play PG in what is supposed to be a Big 6 league, I wonder about their talent evaluation skills. And before you start with the agenda talk, it reminds me of Stansbury bringing in guys like Benock at the end of a class.
If you have any objectivity at all, you would call the fall class uninspired at best. College basketball - with its reliance on the AAU culture - has become more about Jims and Joes than any other sport and there is nothing eye popping about Ray's first 7 recruits.
Granted I haven't seem them play much, but the few games I have watched, I've seen nothing out of the ordinary from an X and 0 standpoint. And IMHO, anybody who has, has an agenda.
I'll second this in response to dawgstudent. The handling of Gray was really shortsighted.
If producing responsible citizens is his main responsibility, let's just let the school counselor coach basketball and call it a day. We could save a ton of money.