11, 4, 3, 3, 6. Last 5 years recruiting rankings for FSU. They could easily drop to 2-5 tonight down 28-3 in the third to BC. They should have a boatload more talent than BC and basically all other teams they play so if talent isn't the issue what is it? They won the ACC 2012-2014 and a NC in 2013 so it doesn't seem to be coaching. Maybe a qb truly makes that much of a difference between preseason number 2 and 2-5 and losing to bad competition? Guess they need to hire SF to resurrect their program Winking
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I brought this up a week or so ago. Crazy how their starting QB getting injured has led to such a horrible season.
They have talent... but what I really don't understand is how teams are scoring on their defense. The QB injury causing an anemic offense should have only a little affect on their D if their D is really that good.
Talk about a snowball of a season.
Tough for the defense to go out and play hard when they know they won’t get any support from the offense. Their season is sunk. They know it. They quit and don’t want to be there
ESPNU radio was talking about FSU and how bad their season is playing out and how it could go down as one of the worst, if not the worst, season ever for a team that started the season ranked #2.
Funny how they gave BC only a sliver of a chance to beat FSU tonight.
I doubt anyone could have predicted how bad FSU's season would go. At least NU's season was predicited this way
Funny how they gave BC only a sliver of a chance to beat FSU tonight.
I doubt anyone could have predicted how bad FSU's season would go. At least NU's season was predicited this way
Maybe Bo Pelini spoke to the players in the FSU locker room about culture?
Gene Chizik was fired for having a horrible season one year after winning the national championship.
I doubt FSU would even consider getting rid of Fisher, but damn, how does your team quit on you like that?
I doubt FSU would even consider getting rid of Fisher, but damn, how does your team quit on you like that?
Even when the QB has a perfect pass to a wide open receiver, the receiver trips on his own feet and can't catch the ball. Apparently not just the QBs fault!
There's alot more to winning games than just class ranking. A good QB is a huge deal. You can have a highly ranked class but if you don't fill positions like CB or linebacker, you're in trouble. Then key injuries can have a huge effect. IF you have a hole in your defense at a couple of positions, good opposition coaches find those weaknesses and exploit them. Then you add in locker room stuff. I suspect there's some issues right now with team chemistry at FSU.
This is far more than losing a starting QB.
FSU defense hasn’t been the same since changing their defensive coordinator after their 13’ NC. Went from 1st in scoring D and 3rd in total D to 49th in scoring D and 61st in total D. So far this season they haven’t improved much and are sitting in the 40’s in defense and that doesn’t take tonight’s game into account.
Also have had several off field issues with their S&C coach including him being arrested.
Most FSU fans (and anyone with a set of eyeballs) point to the o-line as being the biggest issue. Their o-line coach was considered one of the best in football but perhaps he’s lost motivation, or the game has passed him by, but the FSU o-line has stunk for two seasons now.
Then you have other assistants seemingly becoming complacent, which trickles down to players.
Top it off with Jimbo yelling back at fans and encouraging them to come down to the field to see just how tough they are, tells you there is a big mess there.
FSU defense hasn’t been the same since changing their defensive coordinator after their 13’ NC. Went from 1st in scoring D and 3rd in total D to 49th in scoring D and 61st in total D. So far this season they haven’t improved much and are sitting in the 40’s in defense and that doesn’t take tonight’s game into account.
Also have had several off field issues with their S&C coach including him being arrested.
Most FSU fans (and anyone with a set of eyeballs) point to the o-line as being the biggest issue. Their o-line coach was considered one of the best in football but perhaps he’s lost motivation, or the game has passed him by, but the FSU o-line has stunk for two seasons now.
Then you have other assistants seemingly becoming complacent, which trickles down to players.
Top it off with Jimbo yelling back at fans and encouraging them to come down to the field to see just how tough they are, tells you there is a big mess there.
If they fire fischer we should hire him immediately
This.
Also, with a lot of highly rated recruits on your roster you also often get a locker room filled with prima donnas. Some coaches are good at handling that and some aren't. And if you are a coach who is not good at it then you will have teams that fluctuate wildly between great and awful, all dependent on how well the players themselves create their own team chemistry. In fact, coaches who are good at getting a locker full of four and five star prima donnas to gel, are good precisely at getting the players themselves to generate the needed unity. But in order for that to happen the players have to like and respect the head coach and that they therefore have a desire to earn that coach's respect in return. Kind of like that great teacher you really liked in school who was kind of a mentor to you and who you did not want to disappoint or let down by turning in shoddy work.
But that is an attitude that begins in the recruiting process. If your recruiting pitch is: "come to our school and we will get you into the NFL" and your emphasis is upon how many of your players are now in the NFL, you are in effect appealing to the narcissism and selfishness inherent in the "star high school athlete" complex. I think this was Callahan's approach and his mistake. And I fear Riley's approach to our offensive recruits might be the same.
Do not misunderstand me here. I am NOT saying stars and talent don't matter. I am NOT saying getting guys into the NFL does not matter. I am NOT saying wanting to get into the NFL isn't a legit aspiration. But it is a question of priorities and what you choose to emphasize.
Make fun of me all you want, but this is one of the big reasons Osborne liked having a strong walk on culture at NU. And having a walk on culture is different from just having walk ons. It has been stated over and over by several former big name players of Osborne's that the presence of that walk on culture, with its work ethic and humility and emphasis upon just having joy in being part of "the team", greatly elevated everyone. You can call that ********, but you would be wrong.
And that brings me to my final point. One of the reasons I lean toward firing Riley is that when I see his teams play I see a group of individuals but not a team. I see no unity or cultural identity. Do his players revere and respect him? Do they want to win for him? I don't know.
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