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This link talks about it and links to THE ONLY peer review (normally an industry standard procedure) done for this protocol (corman- drosten) . It was done in the spring of 2020, but was ignored directly by every organization (who, cdc, etc) to which it was submitted. It was finally published in Nov 2020.
Peer review corman drosten
In January the US gov and possibly the CDC as well admitted that the testing protocol was flawed and that the cycle rates used were too high, but never lowered them to a point where it would be considered accurate for testing purposes, AND NEVER addressed the fact that it can't distinguish between coronaviruses.
My friends' efforts to learn the current cycle rates have gone unaddressed/answered by anyone at any institution. They should be public knowledge at this point and part of any published results, considering the cycle rates importance to the final result.
Feel free to ignore this as well, if you don't want to know anything about "the science"
Peer review corman drosten
In January the US gov and possibly the CDC as well admitted that the testing protocol was flawed and that the cycle rates used were too high, but never lowered them to a point where it would be considered accurate for testing purposes, AND NEVER addressed the fact that it can't distinguish between coronaviruses.
My friends' efforts to learn the current cycle rates have gone unaddressed/answered by anyone at any institution. They should be public knowledge at this point and part of any published results, considering the cycle rates importance to the final result.
Feel free to ignore this as well, if you don't want to know anything about "the science"
Priceless. I never thought of you as someone that can't think for themselves, much less someone that would call someone a nut that reads research and medical journals, but I DON'T KNOW WHO TF you are other than a poster on a sports message board...
...lol. Who's the fkn nut? You probably still believe in Santa claus for all I know...
Some of y’all are nuttier than squirrel ****.
How would you know?
Tell me ONE source that would tell you if the shots were killing people... Name one that isn't bought and paid for by people with a stake in this industry and pandemic with its lockdowns and economic damage.
You ALREADY have been told that less than .05% of the people that get sick from it die from the virus. Lower than flu rates... .0009% that don't have co-morbidities... Yet here you are not questioning why this virus deserves a mandated pseudo-vaccine...
The data china gave the US before we called it a pandemic was also less than .05%. Yet, the media and government went with the hysterics of a forecast that had already been disproved quite quickly to ramp up public hysteria. "Hospitals will be overrun" "millions will die" yet the chinese were nonchalant and sent people everywhere, spreading the sickness. Dumbassets built million dollar m.a.s.h. unit hospital overflows and never used ANY of them. Do you NOT remember that sht? A person would have to have the attention span of a puppy to not get it.
PLEASE choose which line of thinking you think is TRUE and stick to it, so I know what reasoning is left to you. Is it deadly on its own, or is it (as the data shows) less so than the flu.
Do masks work or do they not work?
Do these shots work or do they not work?
Did mRNA shots pass the animal trials required by law before being pushed into human trials? What percentage of the animals in these tests survived?
Do you believe people have immune systems or do you not?
Do you believe people should be treated when symptoms set in or be sent home until it's worse before beginning any treatment?
Please choose, cause I'm done fkn around with the circular reasoning fish who don't know when they've been hooked. I can't think for you, but I can think very well for myself. I've qualified for admission to most law schools in the country with my LSAT scores, had the second highest score on the ACT of anyone in my district, retain a better than 3.5 grad school GPA, and passed a graduate level nursing exam on the first try with the general knowledge I've accumulated over the years. I have several degrees.
I have access to medical research and read it. I'm not getting sound bites from the media or entertainment news. I don't watch Fox, ABC, CNN or any other incestuous family of broadcast networks. I keep focused on information as soon as it's available. I listen to doctors treating this. I listen to people who've had complications from the shots, and people who've lost loved ones from the virus and the shots.
If you are excluding information that is verifiable because of the perception by you and others of who publishes it, it's YOU that has the problem. If you haven't learned that the entire media can be wrong about the same story published in the same week unanimously, it's a YOU PROBLEM. You are the only one that can fix that by committing to not bringing your bias to the review of information.
Otherwise you will ALWAYS have an excuse why someone else is "a nut". When you have a friend or family member that dies within 48 hours of getting the shot from something that is not in their medical or family medical history, will you open your eyes? Not likely. You'll probably be angry at me or someone else.
When your fully vaccinated progeny miscarries after getting the booster recommended to them in spite of over 652 miscarriages from the shot in the first 3-4 months of mass vaccination, who will you blame? I know this story. You will blame whomever the media tells you to blame, but not look at yourself. Germany tells us that. Venezuela tells us that. Tuskegee tells us that. ....
This NUT is going to go read some more. Enjoy your network radio and television broadcasts. Worship your law breaking governor and grifter presidents and appointees. I'm done here
Go to a university library and look up "vaccination"... copy and paste this into the browser window or ask an 8 yr old to show you how. You wouldn't have heard much about it because when it didn't work people were held accountable.
The crooks weren't smart enough to wait until the incidence of the illnesses in question dropped dramatically to release shots and take credit for what had already happened naturally. They didn't know enough or have enough control of information to simply change the name of an illness to something else so people wouldn't know the difference.
I look forward to hearing how your first trip to the library went.
I like you as a poster but you're saying some bizarre things.
Um, didn't kill me or literally hundreds of people I know who got it. Not one serious adverse reaction in fact.
Yea I’m a free thinker. The “you’re programmed” bs isn’t going to fly with me. I am aware of studies about PCR, and I’ve also listened to pretty in depth podcasts about how they work. Fact is that PCR tests aren’t 100% but they do work for covid the majority of the time. I’m not sure what there is to debate here.
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60 yrs of science and on our best yrs the flu shot is 40 percent effective, many years as low as 15 percent. after 6 decades of science. we have never been able to "vaccinate" against flu or cold strains for a reason. these MRNA experiments are brand new and we have no idea what the long term side effects are going to be.
solid treatments and being healthy is your best bet.
we rushed out a shot for a family of viruses we have never vaccinated against before and a strain that might very well be man manipulated and we aren't allowed to be skeptical? not allowed to question this against you sheep?
will we be able to come up with an annual flu type shot that helps reduce symptoms with minimal side effects, probably. Am I slightly worried about injecting some experimental concoction into my otherwise healthy body. hell yes. I have a right to question it. I should have a right to refuse it as well without having Nazi style repercussions being levied against me? I would hope so.
solid treatments and being healthy is your best bet.
we rushed out a shot for a family of viruses we have never vaccinated against before and a strain that might very well be man manipulated and we aren't allowed to be skeptical? not allowed to question this against you sheep?
will we be able to come up with an annual flu type shot that helps reduce symptoms with minimal side effects, probably. Am I slightly worried about injecting some experimental concoction into my otherwise healthy body. hell yes. I have a right to question it. I should have a right to refuse it as well without having Nazi style repercussions being levied against me? I would hope so.
Buddy, come'on man. It's not experimental anymore. The FDA approved it. It's all good. You're basically cured now.
I don’t need to go to a library when I have access to all the answers I need right on my phone.
“Edward Jenner is considered the founder of vaccinology in the West in 1796, after he inoculated a 13 year-old-boy with vaccinia virus (cowpox), and demonstrated immunity to smallpox. In 1798, the first smallpox vaccine was developed.“
Approximately 800 years after the period you claimed vaccines were used. I was hoping you could get me started with some info that the interwebz seems to be hiding from me. Like a name of a vaccine, it’s inventor, what disease it fought off, or a date it was used. Without being able to verify your earlier claim, I will likely dismiss all your claims.
15 days to flatten the curve!!!
I wonder what Dr Malone, the old Qook who invented them mRNA process, would say about his invention? January 6th!!
You took that poorly. I was saying it a bit tongue in cheek. You have some unusual beliefs, most of which are demonstrably false. The problem is, you've wrapped yourself in a conspiracy theory only provable by the people you claim to be running the conspiracy. Ill simply say that the more people involved in a conspiracy, the less likely it exists.
In this case you are claiming millions of doctors and researchers along with dozens on countries and all main stream media are in on the conspiracy. That alone is enough for me to doubt your positions. Let alone the absolute success of smallpox and polio vaccines.
That dude has popped into the giant covid thread from time to time, and I've seen him in another thread or two. I've rarely on this board, any other place on the internet, or in real life come across a person so incredibly confident to a degree of arrogant superiority about their absolute batshit ideas.
It's clear you can neither comprehend what someone is saying nor reason your way out of a paper bag. Thanks for putting forth your best effort. You do ignore well.
I have claimed nothing about millions of doctors, though I know many.
You should be more honest with yourself, but you're not alone in that situation. You doubted my position because it's not a common position. It's not broadcast in the media so it must be wrong in your eyes. It's your right to choose your bias and your perspective, so I'll leave you and those like you to it.
You telling people something that isn't true is on your head 100%, however, and you will be accountable to it one day. If you believed in God, that might mean something to you, and when you meet Him you'll know why.
I've shared the peer review of the protocol with thousands of people over the last 9 months. Few actually read it or the summary of its findings, yet the gov agencies admitted January 20th that the protocol was flawed and must be scrapped at the END of 2021... Our health in the meantime is not their priority and hasn't been or they would have scrapped the protocol immediately.
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For those not drenched in endless self-deception, can you answer any of the questions I've asked without contradicting the CDC, who, fauci (nih/niaaid), Pfizer, moderna, and others with a financial or political, stake in this?
Have you read the peer review? Do you understand it?
Why has Gibraltar had massive spikes in cases and deaths after achieving a 100% vaccination rate in their country (so much so that they are 3rd highest in the world per capita)?
Why were masks not helpful during the "Spanish flu" but they are purported to help now? Who studied THAT pandemic thoroughly and gained notoriety with their findings that masks were useless during THAT coronavirus pandemic?
Why did data show that people that didn't wear masks only had a 4% infection rate while compared to those who wore them constantly had a significantly higher infection rate?
Again, I'm likely preaching to the choir about this stuff, because those who understand the stupidity of wearing masks to a restaurant table and then taking them off the rest of the time (or wearing them outside on a sunny day when the UV rays would destroy what we are wearing ineffective masks to stop) have some common sense and reasoning skills.
I dont wear masks chief and your unabashed arrogance, and ignorance on this is getting old.
Mankind hasn’t cured any virus of any sort in our history; yet, we’re supposed to believe we knocked this one out in a matter of months? We all gotta die of something…might as well be this.
Please do dismiss them all because you are too lazy to go to a library, even one you can access on your phone. I don't want anyone to strain themselves because that would be cruel.
Why is Edward Jenner only "considered" the founder? Because he had correlated effectiveness to go with his vaccine, where those before him did not. Correlation is not causation.
Those before him didn't and therefore they are not spoken of much. There's a lot of money at stake with the shots. If a person can't cheaply buy their way into the first 3 pages of search results on google, how are stories about nobodies who were unsuccessful before Jenner going to make it into your all-google-knowing phone? I'd say it's not likely.
Read.books.Go.to.libraries.to.find.them.Try.old.books.first. You.might.try.periodicals.search.before.that.even. Do.you.know.what.I.am.talking.about?
I apologize for being sardonic and rude with you, but I tired of doing the work for everyone constantly over 25 years ago. You're a little late to the party in that regard and may not be as lazy as the thousands I have talked to about things they've never really studied. I don't know, maybe you are maybe you aren't.
The ones that have proved me wrong about their assumed laziness are some of my best friends today, but they can still be FOS sometimes and I will call em out on their BS.
The 2nd half of that post, "chief," wasn't directed to you.
Don't want none, won't be none. If you don't want your ignorance thrown back at you, don't tout it as knowledge and be condescending when you don't even read what you asked me to provide. Address something substantively or walk away from the topic. You can disengage at any time. Your choice.
I'm not gonna back down because I care about life over rhetoric, politics, and marketing. I care about your life. Your families' lives. It doesn't matter if I don't know you. I didn't do the studies or write the peer review, so It doesn't hurt my feelings if you call me arrogant for reading them or if you don't read them for yourself.
I'll be disappointed just like I was when a friend didn't do the same and is fighting for their life after getting a booster. I'll be as disappointed as when another developed a deadly form of cancer after their first two shots. I'm just out of kiss ask and ego stroking juice after months and months of this same thing.
I didn't say PCR tests aren't helpful.
I'm not saying that I said this PCR test protocol is flawed.
I am saying an international group of people considered experts in this field (who do this for a living and are well respected, and are not paid to discredit the protocol), found it to be flawed to a point well beyond usefulness and their findings were and continue to be ignored and unaddressed.
THEY and others are saying that this protocol was not peer reviewed before it was hastily published and adopted and that it should be retracted and have been retracted back in early May of last year.
Do you understand why I'm bothering to post this info yet?
I have never gotten a flu shot in the 50+ years I have been on this earth. I just do what we should all have been doing all along. Wash my hands on the regular, don't put dirty hands anywhere on my face, cover up when I cough or sneeze. It's served me pretty well. There are a crap ton of dirty *** people out there. Wipe that house on the regular as well as inside your vehicle.
So, basically you're saying that your claim that vaccines were in use over a thousand years ago is true. The information to back your claim is located in the bowels of some old library in a dusty book, not on the internet. Sounds like there are sinister forces at work trying to keep that information from us. Thanks for not mentioning the location of the library, They'll be looking for it.
Good for you, I guess, for doing all that research. Keep up the good work.
Not sure you know what a free thinker is.You’re a free thinker???
sorry…
Oh I’m well aware. A free thinker is not one who spouts CNN headlines all day pawning them off as their own free thinking thoughts. You’re nothing more than a race baiting drone who has never had a critical thought in your life.
... but anyone who uses terms like liberal and conservative on a daily basis can’t be a free thinker. In addition, you aren’t a free thinker by being disagreeable. You are a free thinker if you cast aside dogma, particularly religious dogma. The best example of this is a guy like Albert Einstein who not only challenged religion but challenged preconceptions of science itself. He did this not by being cynical but by using thought experiments to conclude much grander ideas like relativity.
I guess that Polio, Smallpox, Mumps, Measles, Rubella don't (didn't exist) either.
Over 600,000 Americans died from something over the past couple of years.
You can always find someone who spouts anti-vaccine data, these are the same ones who said it doesn't exist, would go away naturally in a couple of months. And as far as efficacy of the vaccines, yes, people who get the flu vaccine may get the flu, but it probably won't be as bad. Same with the COVID vaccine. Nothing in this world is perfect. But I think I would take my chances taking the vaccine.
This should not be a political issue but an issue about all of us. Not about me, but about you.
GO CATS
Over 600,000 Americans died from something over the past couple of years.
You can always find someone who spouts anti-vaccine data, these are the same ones who said it doesn't exist, would go away naturally in a couple of months. And as far as efficacy of the vaccines, yes, people who get the flu vaccine may get the flu, but it probably won't be as bad. Same with the COVID vaccine. Nothing in this world is perfect. But I think I would take my chances taking the vaccine.
This should not be a political issue but an issue about all of us. Not about me, but about you.
GO CATS
People that don’t think COVID is harmful but think the vaccines are is kind of an interesting group. The internet didn’t quite work out the way we thought it would, did it?
As I said, what was the outcome of their review? Who says they are so respected anyway?
An excellent read. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smit...ans-have-always-been-wary-vaccines-180976828/
I can't find anything earlier either. My suspicion is there were some type of attempts that some people now call vaccinations but they wouldn't have had the tools, understanding or even disease awareness to create an actual vaccine.
I'm unsure why ppl need a govt beaucracy for assurance. What were they going to do...say nah sorry about that.
Most drugs could safely be approved quickly but the fda drags their feet on everything drowning applicants in paperwork in normal times then waiting forever to get back to it
Most drugs could safely be approved quickly but the fda drags their feet on everything drowning applicants in paperwork in normal times then waiting forever to get back to it
I am not going to lie, I am a gambler and have been a regular at Keeneland since I was a kid. And now I spend a lot of my fun gambling money on exotics, and especially the trifecta.
So I am willing to play a trifecta bet on this board:
(1) The posters who are skeptical/hostile or whatever you call it to the vaccines also:
(2) Believe the election was rigged, without almost any proof at all; and
(3) Believe climate change/global warming, is total nonsense, backed by liberal commies, despite the overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary
Amirite? If so, send my payoff to my Venmo account, and I don't take Bitcoin
It is the same mindset, full of confirmation bias.
So I am willing to play a trifecta bet on this board:
(1) The posters who are skeptical/hostile or whatever you call it to the vaccines also:
(2) Believe the election was rigged, without almost any proof at all; and
(3) Believe climate change/global warming, is total nonsense, backed by liberal commies, despite the overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary
Amirite? If so, send my payoff to my Venmo account, and I don't take Bitcoin
It is the same mindset, full of confirmation bias.
Why does it have to be one or the other? Can they not both be harmful along with the way our government is behaving? Does it have to be an either or situation?
People like you point out things like this without taking into account your own mentality that since COVID is harmful, gov’t and vaccines must be good. Not true at all…
Not playing that game. I personally don’t give a **** if you label me a free thinker and not getting into a game debating your perception.