If you believe the mock draft pundits you are correct. He is not getting drafted in 2024 as we sit here today. A 2025 2nd round draft pick. Cunningham, Bailey and Harper protected first round picks in 2025. Incredible these lists are out there.
Gavin and Kante
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Good points. But I'd argue that the need to start Quincy from day one may have been greater that year, since I believe we were coming off a crappy season and overall, there was less talent in the program. Now, I don't know what was happening behind the scenes back then or if he needed to up his defensive game.
If Gavin is our second leading scorer next year, and I think that is entirely possible, maybe even our leading scorer, but let's say 2nd because RU72 mentioned that
Jett Howard and Jalen Hood-Schifino were their team's 2nd leading scorers as Freshmen this year
Both are projected one-and-done first-round picks
Jett Howard and Jalen Hood-Schifino were their team's 2nd leading scorers as Freshmen this year
Both are projected one-and-done first-round picks
So is the opinion that he's good enough to be a one and done,or not? The mixed messages always gets one confused. I just hope he's a great kid who plays great for RU.
Good point at the end there. We're all going to be very happy to see GG in a Scarlet Knights uniform.
He's going to make plays that make fans blow the roof off the RAC
My humble opinion. No, he is not a one and done. 3-4 year starter for RU and leaves after Junior or senior year and then drafted for pro career
Huh? Doesn’t usage have to do mostly with shooting attempts? Cliff doesn’t handle the ball - what’s his usage look like?
Hyatt never handled the ball on the perimeter. There’s no stat you can point to to confirm this, but all you have to do is watch the games to confirm that . Not since 2021-22 when he turned it over every other time he dribbled. He’s not a good enough ball handler to play a perimeter role on offense, and he doesn’t defend the perimeter well enough to slide over there on defense - at least not based on this year’s competition (which doesn’t say a whole lot). If he’s playing for us, it’s almost certainly at the 4.
So point being he’s not turning it over.
Cliff had a higher usage rate. As you say, he doesn’t handle the ball much I guess (I think he handles the ball most possessions actually) but he turns it over more than Hyatt.
You just made the point.
Automatically putting a freshman on the bench was a bad process.
Just because Douby didn't immediately start has no bearing on Gavin.
As you point out - Douby should have been starting earlier perhaps.
Why apply a bad process (Freshman Douby not starting) to a new situation?
Yes, he's not currently.
He was a late and rapid rise up the rankings.
However if he is as good as everyone says "Steph Curry range" and Freshman Of the Year candidate, then he's going to play himself into Draft consideration.
18 year old 6'7" 185lb wing with elite shooting potential?
That's exactly the recipe for a NBA draft pick.
2025? Thats old news.
NBA teams are already checking out projected elite 2026 NBA draft players (Google the Boozer twins).
You left out my line about not knowing what is going on behind the scenes. I don't know and you don't know. We don't know if that was a bad process or not.
We also have no idea how ready Gavin will be to start when he gets here. Maybe the coach's process is to have freshmen sit and learn for a little bit before they get thrown into the starting line-up. Is that a bad process? Maybe he lights it up from day one and his defense is solid and he starts. None of us know anything at this point.
He will far and away be our best offensive player from the moment he steps on the court for us. He starts day 1.
Simpson, Cam, Gavin, Mag, Cliff should be the 1-5 next year from Day 1. I hope Cliff is back. That's a really good 1-5. Need to get bench/depth straightened out as always.
I just realized Mag probably won't be ready from Day 1 because of the injury so I take that piece back. If Paul comes back maybe roll with 3 guards starting or is that crazy? Paul is kind of a hybrid anyway.
I know you have a relationship with Steve so may have some insight we don’t have, but he hasn’t had a recruit as offensively gifted as Gavin before, and there seems to be a very clear playbook from the teams the regularly have 5 stars, play them a lot to get them acclimated so they play well going into the conference schedule and Tournament.
I also think you are getting out over your skis saying Kante will be much more impactful than Dickinson. Dickinson definitely has his athletic flaws, which limits him as an NBA prospect, but he has been a great college center. His freshman year he averaged 14.5 points, 7.5 rebounds and 1.4 blocks a game. I would say the odds of Kante exceeding that next year are exceedingly low. This year he was 4th in the Big 10 in scoring, rebounding and blocks, and he is a decent 3 point shooter. Maybe most importantly he is very physical and plays with a mean streak. When he sets up in the low post, no one moves him out, and when he is defending in the post he doesn’t give ground. He honestly could put on a clinic for Cliff in terms of how to play the position.
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Yup. Kante is 6'10" and athletic, very good defensively, if he's more impactful than Dickinson in how I think of "impactful", he's a lottery pick.
Maybe RU72 doesn't think Dickinson is all that impactful or has a different take on what he means with that word.
If I remember, Douby didn't start playing basketball till his sophomore year of high school and was still raw in many areas, specifically ball handling.
Only pushback would be Jaden Jones was a one and done
Actually I think we need to split the difference here
I was just kidding. I could definitely see him play a few years here. I'm sure he'd love to play with Ace and others.
Some people are a little tough on Hyatt. He’s a streaky player. Yes he did not finish the season well but people seem to forget he helped them win games earlier in the season. Maybe he shouldn’t start but it seems like people are trying to run him off the team which I do not agree with
Pike may need to push him to develop a little more than Derek. Will need him before the BIG tournament to contribute.
Of course every injury is different
I tore an acl skiing years ago at the very end of a ski season and was ready to go well before the next season began
Without surgery
Breaking your acl very common among skiers and I have never had a friend who did it, not be ready the next season
I would be hopeful Mag is a go for fall practice or early on in the next season
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Hyatt is a career 28% 3 point shooter who has mental lapses and gets lost defensively. He doesn’t handle the ball well enough or guard the perimeter well. His best position is the 4 which he is undersized to play
He is very replaceable
Doesn't mean he didn't have a few good games along the way. Every player should have good games
Why? That is a strange take. Pike will always play kids who play defense. Gavin might need some time to adjust to Pike level defense.
I’m sure Hyatt is a nice young man, but if Hyatt leaves what tangible / intangible asset would be irreplaceable?
Point being he’s easily replaceable and if I were advising him - there were many red flags pre and post Mag injury that reflected what Pike and the coaching staff thought of him.
Point being he’s easily replaceable and if I were advising him - there were many red flags pre and post Mag injury that reflected what Pike and the coaching staff thought of him.
Again - gets on campus in June. Trip overseas in August. He’ll be playing Pike D by November probably sooner
Hyatt got benched for Oskar and now some people want him to start at the 3 next year
That should shut down the whole conversation on the topic
Unfortunately people get dug in and won’t budge
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But but....think about Hyatts....defense?
Gavin can't start because "Pike values defense and he might not be ready".
The alternative is the elite defense of Hyatt?
Come on people.
