General HD6 Sir...

[FlabLoser]

ASTOUNDING information on today's (3/07/2013) B&B show regarding historical home & away football.

Please post that stuff here. I need to read it to fully digest the gravity of the situation. It was too much for my feeble mind to process during the morning commute.

 

[dawgstudent]

He posted it yesterday...

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/showthread.php?103568-The-Emory-Bellard-Show&p=850362#post850362

It's always interesting to look back at how different it was back then. 1980-1981 we played 3 games in Starkville total. Played 10 games in Jackson. We didn't play Alabama in Starkville one time between 1963 and 1985. Didn't play Auburn in Starkville from 1954 to 1978, and a number of our "home" games were in Birmingham. LSU didn't play in Starkville from 1923 until 1982! From 1926 until 1974 we played 38 out of 42 games in Baton Rouge, 4 in Jackson.

 

[HD6]

Pretty incredible to see it in print, I will confirm. Everybody in MSU athletics administration from 1950 to Byrne was evidently useless.

 

[RocketDawg]

That's why I shudder when I hear "one game in Jackson" talk

One becomes two, then three, and so on. I was in school in the 60s, when the best home game we had was against the Richmond Spiders. The Bears were the same way. I like it just fine now.

 

[Lettucexxxx]

Pretty incredible to see it in print, I will confirm. Everybody in MSU athletics administration from 1950 to Byrne was evidently useless.

Unbelievable. No backbone, was had. We laid down and took it, ungreazed.

 

[Coach34]

Pretty incredible to see it in print, I will confirm. Everybody in MSU athletics administration from 1950 to Byrne was evidently useless.

I'll have to second this

The shittiness with which our football program was run is absolutely amazing. And people wonder why other SEC schools look at us the way they do? We did it to ourselves for years and years

 

[dawgstudent]

Once aGAIN - the game in Jackson was to buy an away game - not a home game. So if we had 7 homes games - we would have 8 games in the State of MS if we had a game in Jackson. How is that a bad thing?

 

[HD6]

Not to start a 200 reply thread, but you are right. The only way I'd accept a Jackson game is Coach's suggestion of buying out a road game. Never again should a home game be played off our campus.

 

[Coach34]

Not to start a 200 reply thread, but you are right. The only way I'd accept a Jackson game is Coach's suggestion of buying out a road game. Never again should a home game be played off our campus.

exactly guys- nobody, and I mean NOBODY wants to move a Starkville game to Jackson

All that momentum kind of died down with the sinking of last season by the way

 

[RocketDawg]

Yeah I know

But you gotta remember I lived and breathed the bad times as a student. And once the Jackson politicians get an idea, it's Katy bar the door.

If it stops at buying an away game, I'm all for it if it's financially feasible, meaning we don't lose money on the deal.

 

[RocketDawg]

Those were not good days to be a student. I think tickets to the home games in Jackson were $5, maybe $6 ... but that was a lot of money back then. You could eat in the cafeteria for a week on that. And home games on campus were free. Not to mention gas to go to the games.

 

[57stratdawg]

No doubt about that. Honestly, Byrne is probably the most influential/helpful individual associated with MSU sports in the last 50 years even though he was only here for 2 years(?).

 

[Hump4Hoops]

It's even worse when you compare it to what ole miss got

They won their "national championships" playing against the likes of Kentucky, Vandy, UT-Chatanooga, and Houston while we played Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, and Florida instead.

 

[Coach34]

They won their "national championships" playing against the likes of Kentucky, Vandy, UT-Chatanooga, and Houston while we played Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, and Florida instead.

they just dropped Alabama all together at one point. Vaught got tired of losing to them

 

[SWFLDawg]

I think it was the '89 or '90 season that I went to a "home" game agaist UF in Tampa. We were easily bought.

 

[thatsbaseball]

If you really want to connect the dots study the decades long lag in development of infrastructure in that part of the state due to our illustrious state legislature. Next time you get some one on one time with Jackie Sherrill ask him about it. Our numb nuts athletic department through all those years was comfortable with the place we had been assigned by the legislature because the university`s administration was. In some ways our survival and the success we are now enjoying is pretty remarkable considering the in-state adversity we faced for so many years.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

they just dropped Alabama all together at one point. Vaught got tired of losing to them

Any chance we could do that now? Sort of like reparations? I'd love to have a choose your own adventure SEC schedule...

If you'd like to rest your starters in the 2nd half against Kentucky, turn to page 54. If you'd like to get skull 17'd by a midget, turn to page 15.

 

[patdog]

You're being paranoid. There is no way we would ever move a home game to Jackson.

 

[patdog]

They did play LSU and Tennessee every year. And we didn't play Georgia or Florida in the old days. I think we started playing Florida in the 70s. I think back in their glory days of the 50s and 60s, they played Tenn, LSU, MSU, Tulane, & Vandy every year while we played Bama, Auburn, LSU, UM, & Tulane. They definitely had the easier schedule though.

 

[dawgstudent]

Didn't Florida suck?

 

[Coach34]

Didn't Florida suck?

Florida was a very average program until Spurrier and even sucked at times. It's hard to even imagine that being the case now

 

[SheltonChoked]

Yeah they did. Before the Head Ball Coach, UF was about a .500 program.

They had some good years, but not many.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Absolutely false ...

they just dropped Alabama all together at one point. Vaught got tired of losing to them

And just plain wrong.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own 'facts.' Ole Miss stopped playing Bama three years BEFORE Vaught became head coach in '47.

It's hard to 'get tired of losing' when the first time Vaught even played them was after he had been the HC for 16 years and it was the Sugar bowl in '63.

Bama - OM only resumed playing when the SEC forced them to in the mid 60's. Most of those 60's games were in Jackson or BHam. They played 6 more times with Vaught as the HC and he won 2 of 6 ... both in Jackson, last one was Archie led in '70.

 

[thatsbaseball]

If you guys are really interested in what "held" MSU athletics back you need to dig much deeper than just the athletic department. The school didn`t even have a decent highway coming into Starkville(from the central part of the state) until the mid eighties. The fact of the matter is the whole school was methodically held back by the UM controlled legislature. Our passive/lazy athletic department was just an extension of a passive/lazy school administration. I would go so far as to say the state college board went out of their way to appoint MSU presidents who wouldn`t rock the boat for years.

 

[Arloguthrie]

Vaught got tired of losing to them

Interesting theory.

Presumably you’re referring to the period of 1934 to 1963, when we played Bama only once (1944). But Vaught didn’t begin coaching Ole Miss until 1947 and didn’t play Bama until 1963 in the Sugar Bowl (we lost). So to say we quit playing them because Vaught “got tired of losing to them” is false, because we already weren't playing Bama when Vaught took over.

Vaught played Bama each season from 1965 until he retired in 1970, compiling a record of 2-5. He won two out of the last three against Bama, including his last game against Bama in 1970. So he never stopped playing Bama.

In conclusion, domestic disputes in Taco Bell parking lots are one of the hallmarks of white trash.

 

[Coach34]

allow me to correct you:

Ole Missus actually had stopped playing Bama even before 1944- that was the first time they had played them in awhile. And after getting their *** beat 34-6, which is a huge margin of victory back then, they decided not to make it a habit.

I was wrong about Vaught dropping them- but he damn sure didnt want to pick them up again.

 

[patdog]

Not at all. They've only had 6 losing seasons since 1950, and only 1 terrible season. But they were a very average SEC program until 1980, a pretty good SEC program in the 80s (they did have the best SEC record one year under Pell but were on probation so they didn't win the SEC title), and a powerhouse since 1990.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Don't forget about Doc Foglesong.

 

[futaba.79]

I beleive it was mutual.............

Bryant didn't want to play them either.

 

[Dawgdom]

Your being paranoid. Their is no way we would ever move a home game to Jackson.

Fixed it for ya**

 

[Railin Jemmye]

To take this further, the location of MSU in Starkville to begin with. Should have been in Meridian. MSU would be a beast by now and Meridian would probably be a cool small city.

 

[Coach34]

Bryant didn't want to play them either.

He came along about 10-11 years after Vaught took over

 

[patdog]

Bryant came to Bama in 1958 and they started playing UM in 1965. I don't think either one was "afraid" to play the other. I think UM and Bama just historically did not play when they took over and back then there wasn't any rotation of schedules. You had schools that always played each other and other than that you almost never played the other schools in the conference. I suspect they started playing because Tulane dropped out of the conference.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

We played Florida every year from

'54 to '93, except '60 and '61. And we were also playing LSU every year just like ole miss, was only pointing out the major differences.

 

[Arloguthrie]

According to this article, Bear and his predecessor (Red Drew) didn't want to play Vaught:

Vaught and Bryant had gotten to know each other in the Navy during the war, when they both coached service teams. And the friendship continued during the years.

They sometimes played golf together, or spent time together during the off season. Once Bryant even went turkey hunting with Vaught, an avid hunter. Bryant didn't like to hunt, but went along with his friend.

Vaught said because of their friendship, they didn't want to play each other. And over the years, their teams met only seven times.

"I've beaten Bear more than he beat me, I know that, at both places (Kentucky and Alabama)," he said. He did not know the record, which was 4-2-1.

Alabama and Ole Miss didn't play for 20 years, from 1944-64. Their first game was the '64 Sugar Bowl, following the 1963 season. The game was played in the snow and Alabama won, 12-7.

"Alabama wouldn't play me," Vaught said. "Drew didn't want to and Bear didn't. They used the excuse that we had a small stadium and didn't draw a big crowd. But they didn't want to play us because we'd gotten good. If you are good and win, people are going to watch you play."

http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/20040613/NEWS/406130337?p=3&tc=pg

(This is an actual quote, C34. I know that sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.)

Granted, that's Vaught's version of the story.

 

[patdog]

Very interesting article. Thanks for posting it. It's got the record wrong though. Vaught was 2-5 against Bryant at Alabama and 4-3-1 against him at Kentucky.

 

[maroonmania]

Not to start a 200 reply thread, but you are right. The only way I'd accept a Jackson game is Coach's suggestion of buying out a road game. Never again should a home game be played off our campus.

Historically speaking, playing a lot of our home games in Jackson all those years ago wasn't good but at least it was somewhat understandable. People weren't able to travel distances as easily back then and so to put some or most of our bigger games in a venue twice as large (at the time) and in an area with a much larger base of MS population at least could be somewhat defended even though it definitely did a disservice to the MSU students. However, what REALLY blows my mind is that we had MSU administration willing to play a 42 year stretch against LSU where 38 of those were in BR. There is NO justification for that when we were both in the same league, NONE. Whatever MSU officials agreed to that (who are still living) should be rounded up and then tarred and feathered.

 

[Arloguthrie]

allow me to correct you:

Ole Missus actually had stopped playing Bama even before 1944- that was the first time they had played them in awhile. And after getting their *** beat 34-6, which is a huge margin of victory back then, they decided not to make it a habit.

This is funny. You might recall that in 1944 there was a bit of an ongoing brouhaha known as World War II. Neither Alabama nor Ole Miss had even fielded a team in 1943. It's kind of hard to do so when all of the men are overseas fighting a war. Because the war was ongoing, the 1944 teams were comprised of players who were either too young for the military or physically unfit for service. So to suggest that Ole Miss was so upset about losing the 1944 game (a game played in the midst of World War II with a team of kids and invalids) that we thereafter chose not to play Bama is false. As Pat has correctly pointed out, Ole Miss and Bama simply weren't historical opponents when the SEC was established in 1932. I suspect that the only reason we played in 1944 was due to the shortage of schools fielding teams.

In conclusion, you haven't said anything in this entire thread that is accurate. When talking out of your *** you should stick to posting things that are impossible to disprove, like the existence of top-secret nuclear weapons in Starkville obtained by an 18-year-old spy on a recruiting visit.

 

[Coach34]

They both had teams in 1945 did they not- just one year later? Didnt they also have teams in 1946? And on? And on?

What I said was very accurate- OM got their *** beat. 100% accurate...and then chose not to keep playing the next year- when they both had teams.

Dont give me the war ********- OM couldnt play Bama from Tuscaloosa, but was able to travel to Jacksonville, Baton Rouge, Nashville, and Chattanooga in 1945? Get out of here with that weak ****

 

[FlabLoser]

Neither one of those punks wanted any of us in 1941. This I know.