Geo Baker

[scarletnewyorker2006]

Actually it would be socialism if the players owned the team, or if the government owned the team.

Incorrect as regards the players. Socialism means using force. Owners cannot use force. Only the government is legally permitted to use force. Anything and everything the government does is through the use of force, morally or otherwise.

 

[ru66]

according to nj.com we need 10 million a year for NIL--2million of which is for basketball--open your pocket books so far the one RU NIL group has only 1.1 mill

 

[AdventureHasAName]

according to nj.com we need 10 million a year for NIL--2million of which is for basketball--open your pocket books so far the one RU NIL group has only 1.1 mill

Months ago, someone on this board had the brilliant idea of only spending our limited NIL budget on basketball players ... and then our top tier basketball program would attract the best football recruits to the university (just as it has at UCONN, and Duke, and North Carolina, and Kansas. Alternatively, we can always go with the "hope a Rutgers graduate invents the next Google (and didn't deal with the RU Screw while enrolled)" strategy. Lastly, I'm informed we at Rutgers have very lucrative t-shirt and activism businesses that should propel our NIL funding.

 

[RUDiddy777]

I just read this thread to see if Geo actually commented and my god RHJ appears. Big fan of his dads acting on Keenan and Kel. Wish I remembered to tell him that when I met him in the bathroom at MSG.

Kind of hilarious that he joined just to participate in a long time board hobby, clowning kyk.

 

[hoquat63]

Incorrect as regards the players. Socialism means using force. Owners cannot use force. Only the government is legally permitted to use force. Anything and everything the government does is through the use of force, morally or otherwise.

Tell that to the Homestead steel workers killed by Pinkerton hired by the capitalist owners.

 

[RutgersNo1]

LOL

 

[littlenis5]

Can we lock this thread? Is it normal that every time something negative happens to the program due to NIL that this board attacks the most important player in the program of the last 30 years?

 

[RutgersNo1]

Can we lock this thread? Is it normal that every time something negative happens to the program due to NIL that this board attacks the most important player in the program of the last 30 years?

He’s the most important player in our program? Are you related to him?

 

[cm_13]

Can we lock this thread? Is it normal that every time something negative happens to the program due to NIL that this board attacks the most important player in the program of the last 30 years?

On this message board? Yea it’s actually pretty normal.

 

[MADHAT1]

He’s the most important player in our program? Are you related to him?

to some he was, others feel he was a very important part of RU MBB when he wasplaying and one of the best RU ever had because of his play and leadership

 

[RUDiddy777]

He’s the most important player in our program? Are you related to him?

We haven’t had a leader like Geo since maybe Brian Leonard.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

We haven’t had a leader like Geo since maybe Brian Leonard.

Rutgers 1000 Man of the Decade

 

[BrokenArrow89]

Oh man.

 

[RUsojo]

Can we lock this thread? Is it normal that every time something negative happens to the program due to NIL that this board attacks the most important player in the program of the last 30 years?

Nobody mentioned Ron Harper Jr unless i missed it?

 

[FinalFourOrBust_rivals142702]

This board hates geo baker and always has. What a bunch of scumbags you all are

 

[cm_13]

Oh man.

Embarassing.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

Oh man.

Geo has nothing to do with the current environment. The case that the Supreme Court decided was first filed before Geo was even in college. Everyone who keeps blaming Geo is an idiot.

 

[RutgersNo1]

Full of BS.

 

[Plum Street]

Full of BS.

What is full of BS?

 

[RutgersNo1]

What is full of BS?

What GB has been saying in the past 2 years.

 

[Plum Street]

What GB has been saying in the past 2 years.

I mean he’s not to blame for this .
Geo was a great player for this program

 

[jordkap]

What GB has been saying in the past 2 years.

Don’t blame Geo for Paul leaving. It’s highly likely more him being treated like garbage by the fan base than NIL

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Don’t blame Geo for Paul leaving. It’s highly likely more him being treated like garbage by the fan base than NIL

It’s not the fan base. No way.

Could be that he wants to play PG though.

 

[jordkap]

It’s not the fan base. No way.

Could be that he wants to play PG though.

Carino’s piece insinuates it’s him being treated poorly as the reason he’s leaving

 

[Plum Street]

Carino’s piece insinuates it’s him being treated poorly as the reason he’s leaving

Being treated poorly by who ?
Some jackasses making comments on Twitter ?

 

[willisneverrana43]

I can understand not being happy that the sport and school to which it's linked and that you've followed for years has changed and that money is now above the table. Change is never easy. But you're kidding yourself if you didn't understand that college sports (football and basketball) has been for decades a major industry, one that now rakes in billions of dollars every year. Billions. Everyone gets paid--the coaches make hundreds of thousands to millions annually, schools and leagues get billions for media rights and naming rights and a host of other things, support staff gets paid, athletic department executives make hundreds of thousands or more. Everybody except the players. Still don't. It's odd that fans have this nostalgic feeling for players as true amateurs on scholarship while those players stand next to coaches making millions and assistant coaches making hundreds of thousands or millions while everybody does their job inside the same stadiums or arenas that attract tens of millions in naming rights and concessions company bidding wars and millions of paying fans, surrounded by parking lots that generate even more revenue, all of it watched on TV and other services for which fans pay even more money.

Money, money, money. Tons of money everywhere. Just raking it in under this Frankenstein's monster of a big-bucks industry that the NCAA created and against all odds and ran for decades before it was called out for what it is. Justice Kavanagh giggled at the industry's claim that its defining characteristics is that it doesn't pay its employees.

Now NIL isn't the most direct response to this, which would be to pay the players. But that's only because the NCAA can't figure out how to run itself. Never could, maybe never will, unless some true visionaries join its leadership, or just take it over. So, for now, the players are left to profit only by their name and image. So be it. Something had to happen, and the NCAA wasn't going to do it on its own.

But if this has you ready to leave, you never knew what you were watching in the first place.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Everybody except the players. Still don't.

... except for the $100,000+ provided to them in education, room, meals, books, training, coaching, travel around the country, the opportunity to play interscholastic athletics ...

 

[MiloTalon13]

... except for the $100,000+ provided to them in education, room, meals, books, training, coaching, travel around the country, the opportunity to play interscholastic athletics ...

In exchange for services the players provide which are of much greater value than that compensation.
There should be laws against that - conspiring with others who control the entirety of a given labor market to suppress compensation.
Oh wait, there are.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

In exchange for services the players provide which are of much greater value than that compensation.
There should be laws against that - conspiring with others who control the entirety of a given labor market to suppress compensation.
Oh wait, there are.

Interscholastic collegiate sports cannot survive if you can bid for players. The schools with an unlimited $$$-paying alumni base will buy all the good players, the schools without the $ will drop scholarships after determining they cannot compete, and kids that would have received a scholarship to play a sport in return for a free education will no longer have that opportunity because the volume of scholarships no longer exist. Meanwhile, you will have 25 to 40 schools playing minor-league professional football. Oh ... and because they are getting paid, the schools won't be paying their scholarships, which in turn means all the other scholarship sports (not football, not mens basketball) will be dropped because the schools will no longer be required to carry them under Title IX in order to give out 125 scholarships for football and mens basketball.

 

[NickRU714]

Interscholastic collegiate sports cannot survive if you can bid for players. The schools with an unlimited $$$-paying alumni base will buy all the good players, the schools without the $ will drop scholarships after determining they cannot compete, and kids that would have received a scholarship to play a sport in return for a free education will no longer have that opportunity because the volume of scholarships no longer exist. Meanwhile, you will have 25 to 40 schools playing minor-league professional football. Oh ... and because they are getting paid, the schools won't be paying their scholarships, which in turn means all the other scholarship sports (not football, not mens basketball) will be dropped because the schools will no longer be required to carry them under Title IX in order to give out 125 scholarships for football and mens basketball.

You're not offering an argument against NIL.
That's an argument that college athletics is a terribly designed system.
Perhaps, college athletics needs to be redesigned then if it's so dependent on a significant sector of the industry (the athletes) being unpaid or underpaid.

Imagine any other industry provided the justification "well we can't increase pay for the employees because it'll ruin the delicate balance we've created. Is it wrong that they are underpaid as everyone else makes more and more money? Probably. But we can't change anything because then the whole system collapses."

Obviously, we're all invested in the system staying around - but that doesn't mean the system should actually maintain as is.

 

[NickRU714]

... except for the $100,000+ provided to them in education, room, meals, books, training, coaching, travel around the country, the opportunity to play interscholastic athletics ...

Careful - youre making the "they have never been amatuers" argument.
That it was never about "amateur's playing for the love of the game" as many of us have said.
It's always been about paying kids to play sports.
Athletic Scholarships = professional and not amateur

Now it's just an argument about compensation level.

 

[MiloTalon13]

You're not offering an argument against NIL.
That's an argument that college athletics is a terribly designed system.
Perhaps, college athletics needs to be redesigned then if it's so dependent on a significant sector of the industry (the athletes) being unpaid or underpaid.

Imagine any other industry provided the justification "well we can't increase pay for the employees because it'll ruin the delicate balance we've created. Is it wrong that they are underpaid as everyone else makes more and more money? Probably. But we can't change anything because then the whole system collapses."

Obviously, we're all invested in the system staying around - but that doesn't mean the system should actually maintain as is.

Well said.
"Imagine any other industry provided the justification..."

From Justice Kavanaugh's concurrence in Alson
"The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. All of the
restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that “customers prefer” to eat food from low-paid cooks"

 

[runrutgersrun]

In exchange for services the players provide which are of much greater value than that compensation.
There should be laws against that - conspiring with others who control the entirety of a given labor market to suppress compensation.
Oh wait, there are.

This^^. Can you select the smiley w/love eyes, the hysterically laughing emoji AND the thumbs-up emoji for the same post? If so, please apply it to this last post. As a Rutgers fan, I am just going to hope this brave new NIL/portal world is something that Rutgers can eventually compete in successfully. Wouldn't it be ironic (and wonderful!) if that's how this now turns out? We absolutely stunk at participating in "big time" athletics in the old world for most of the last 50 years (as much as it pains me to say it!) and now with NIL, B1G money, portal-madness and the like we eventually improve our athletic lot in life? Who'd of thunk it???? GO RU!!! GO Geo! GO Brian! Go Phil!!!! GO ALL THOSE GUYS THAT GAMBLED ON US BEFORE THEY COULD GET BACK A PENNY OF NIL-TYPE BUCKS!

 

[willisneverrana43]

... except for the $100,000+ provided to them in education, room, meals, books, training, coaching, travel around the country, the opportunity to play interscholastic athletics ...

I dare you to run a school that offers a similar package to coaches or athletic directors. Hey coach, you get a free Ph.D. and all the food, drink and travel is free too. You can workout in our state of the art gym if you'd like. You'll be getting the "opportunity to coach interscholastic athletics." Just like the players. What do you say? Oh, don't worry about the billions that our league is raking in. That's not your concern, that's ours. Didn't you just hear all the goodies I'm offering you?

I dare you to run anything like that and get away with it. As I said, it's a miracle that the NCAA got this far. If you didn't see this coming, you had blinders on.

 

[MiloTalon13]

I dare you to run anything like that and get away with it. As I said, it's a miracle that the NCAA got this far.

In hindsight, that's the most amazing thing about it. Truly incredible.

 

[rudad02]

Incorrect as regards the players. Socialism means using force. Owners cannot use force. Only the government is legally permitted to use force. Anything and everything the government does is through the use of force, morally or otherwise.

Now there's some tripe for ya!

 

[AdventureHasAName]

You're not offering an argument against NIL.
That's an argument that college athletics is a terribly designed system.

Ask the kid in the poor section of Houston who is getting a 4-year scholarship to be the 3rd-string free safety at SMU if he thinks it is a terribly designed system.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Careful - youre making the "they have never been amatuers" argument.
That it was never about "amateur's playing for the love of the game" as many of us have said.
It's always been about paying kids to play sports.
Athletic Scholarships = professional and not amateur

Now it's just an argument about compensation level.

... except I was a walk-on who participated without getting a free education, books, room, etc. Sometimes I got a meal (it was usually one of those small boxes of single-serving Frosted Flakes).

 

[Caliknight]

Not to kick into 100 level they allow people there to retain

You're obviously a small time player. Donate more and make it happen.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I dare you to run a school that offers a similar package to coaches or athletic directors. Hey coach, you get a free Ph.D. and all the food, drink and travel is free too. You can workout in our state of the art gym if you'd like. You'll be getting the "opportunity to coach interscholastic athletics." Just like the players. What do you say? Oh, don't worry about the billions that our league is raking in. That's not your concern, that's ours. Didn't you just hear all the goodies I'm offering you?

I dare you to run anything like that and get away with it. As I said, it's a miracle that the NCAA got this far. If you didn't see this coming, you had blinders on.

You mean like we do with graduate assistants in every department of the university?