Geoff Collins midseason grade...
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I think the differences have more to do with improved DL play and less to do with the actual coach of the group. We do blitz a little bit more, but we still play that ****** cover two zone. We have played better at times, and we have been gashed at times. That prevent defense lost the Auburn game for us.
I give him a D, mainly because our D has cost us at least one game, and almost cost us another one.
I'm not sure I agree that we are playing cover two. For one thing, we are playing a lot more man and on most plays, one of our safeties is defending a slot receiver. We may play cover two occassionally, but even when we do the safeties aren't as deep. I'm having trouble thinking of a single play where the other team hit a receiver in deep in the middle of the zone in front of our safeties. Last year there were 5-6 or more per game.
Also, I'd say we blitz at least twice as much, maybe three times as much. Frankly, I thought our offense lost the Auburn game with its inability to cash in opportunities in the second half that would have won the game.
Also, I'd say we blitz at least twice as much, maybe three times as much. Frankly, I thought our offense lost the Auburn game with its inability to cash in opportunities in the second half that would have won the game.
Ill go B, but expect us to slide the rest of the year after we see TAM, Bama, South Car, and OM.
D- is the best I can do.
For me, one of the key areas of a defense is can you stop the other team when your back is to the wall. So far, we have not. Auburn - we let them march right down the field and win in the final seconds. LSU - let them go right down the field and score before the half.
I still don't like the fact that our pressure on the QB is very spotty at best. We did get some pressure on Mettenburger but that seems to be exception to the rule. It seems like when other teams want to get pressure they can. During the Bowling Green game I swear their QB could have stood back there and read a novel without being hurried. The one time we did get some pressure we had a face mask penalty.
Passing D - Defensive backs have seemed unable to cover anybody this season. Whether that is scheme, talent, or both, I am not sure.
Running D - Bowling Green ran one running play all night and time and time again we were unable to stop it. OSU burned us on that diamond formation.
Summation - At times the defense has played remarkably well. They completely shut down Troy's high powered offense. Other times they have played like they were wearing cinderblocks for shoes. But like I said earlier, when the rubber meets the road and they need to rise up and make a play they have not done that yet this season. That is what separates the elite teams from the rest. You can almost guarantee Saban would rather have his defense out there to make an end of game stand than have his offense out there trying to score a game winning TD. (Well, maybe not quite as much this year, but most years).
For me, one of the key areas of a defense is can you stop the other team when your back is to the wall. So far, we have not. Auburn - we let them march right down the field and win in the final seconds. LSU - let them go right down the field and score before the half.
I still don't like the fact that our pressure on the QB is very spotty at best. We did get some pressure on Mettenburger but that seems to be exception to the rule. It seems like when other teams want to get pressure they can. During the Bowling Green game I swear their QB could have stood back there and read a novel without being hurried. The one time we did get some pressure we had a face mask penalty.
Passing D - Defensive backs have seemed unable to cover anybody this season. Whether that is scheme, talent, or both, I am not sure.
Running D - Bowling Green ran one running play all night and time and time again we were unable to stop it. OSU burned us on that diamond formation.
Summation - At times the defense has played remarkably well. They completely shut down Troy's high powered offense. Other times they have played like they were wearing cinderblocks for shoes. But like I said earlier, when the rubber meets the road and they need to rise up and make a play they have not done that yet this season. That is what separates the elite teams from the rest. You can almost guarantee Saban would rather have his defense out there to make an end of game stand than have his offense out there trying to score a game winning TD. (Well, maybe not quite as much this year, but most years).
I'll go B-. The AU game stings and while the offense could have prevented it being necessary, the job still fell on the defense at the end to stop them to at least a FG and they failed and some of that was the scheme.
But I've been disappointed by a number fo players as well. After the 1st half of the Okie State game I was really impressed with how well we tackled in space and how our LB's were playing. Our LB play has slipped since then. A few important missed tackles (LSU) and just a general lack of plays. Cox has looked at best avg. at corner and I agree with a lot of the armchair guys that he might be better at safety. Especially considering our safeties aren't doing anythign special either. I don't need to repeat everything said on Whitley but while Market is not hurting us anywhere he's also not doing anything special. Love and Jones and Preston are the only 3 guys that stand out to me consistently making plays when I watch the game. i notice more bad plays from Autry and Whitley than good ones and everyone else is simply "ok". We need to get the weak links either player better or replace them and have 1-2 more guys step up and make plays.
Which brings me to McKinney. Dude's statline is still ok, but is anybody seeing him as an impact MLB? I just haven't noticed him having a big impact in games.
But I've been disappointed by a number fo players as well. After the 1st half of the Okie State game I was really impressed with how well we tackled in space and how our LB's were playing. Our LB play has slipped since then. A few important missed tackles (LSU) and just a general lack of plays. Cox has looked at best avg. at corner and I agree with a lot of the armchair guys that he might be better at safety. Especially considering our safeties aren't doing anythign special either. I don't need to repeat everything said on Whitley but while Market is not hurting us anywhere he's also not doing anything special. Love and Jones and Preston are the only 3 guys that stand out to me consistently making plays when I watch the game. i notice more bad plays from Autry and Whitley than good ones and everyone else is simply "ok". We need to get the weak links either player better or replace them and have 1-2 more guys step up and make plays.
Which brings me to McKinney. Dude's statline is still ok, but is anybody seeing him as an impact MLB? I just haven't noticed him having a big impact in games.
"I think the differences have more to do with improved DL play and less to do with the actual coach of the group."
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100% agree. I suppose I'm in the minority about Collins but I see him a notch below average as DC in the SEC. Maybe a better LB'er coach and recruiter but I don't care for his style. Turner is probably our best defensive coach.
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100% agree. I suppose I'm in the minority about Collins but I see him a notch below average as DC in the SEC. Maybe a better LB'er coach and recruiter but I don't care for his style. Turner is probably our best defensive coach.
I don't disagree with that at all. All I was pointing out was that we went to that prevent defense on the last drive, and we let their offense do something they had not effectively done all night.
I think it's premature to count on Redmond yet. He just played in his first college game last Saturday. He may be the next Smoot but he is going to have some hiccups. I guess the question is whether he gives you more than Calhoun or Giles.
I didn't mean replace Calhoun, love, or jiles. I want Redmond to replace cox and cox to replace Whitley. It's a shame that the weakest two defensive links are both seniors (Whitley and Autry) IMO
Hard to say. We've been decimated by injuries on the defensive side -- after Wilson had practically zero injury issues last year.
Bohanna - Career over
Hughes - season over
Love - Missed multiple games with injury
Calhoun - Missed several with injury
Whitley - Missed several with injury
Arrington - Missed several with injury
Redmond - Missed 5 games suspended
You've got several more guys missing time along the DLine, particularly Preston Smith and PJ Jones.
So, the secondary has been totally decimated -- and didn't have much experience to begin with.
After all that, in the SEC, we are 6th is scoring D, 7th in rush D, 7th in pass D, 4th in total D.
One thing I do take issue with is our failure to put our "best" personnel on the field in critical situations. I was looking at late Bowling Green drives where we had Adams and Washington lined up at DT with Richie and Beniquez lined up at LB. It's the young guys that are making alot of the mistakes that are springing the big plays. I like getting them experience -- I don't like putting the games in their hands.
Bohanna - Career over
Hughes - season over
Love - Missed multiple games with injury
Calhoun - Missed several with injury
Whitley - Missed several with injury
Arrington - Missed several with injury
Redmond - Missed 5 games suspended
You've got several more guys missing time along the DLine, particularly Preston Smith and PJ Jones.
So, the secondary has been totally decimated -- and didn't have much experience to begin with.
After all that, in the SEC, we are 6th is scoring D, 7th in rush D, 7th in pass D, 4th in total D.
One thing I do take issue with is our failure to put our "best" personnel on the field in critical situations. I was looking at late Bowling Green drives where we had Adams and Washington lined up at DT with Richie and Beniquez lined up at LB. It's the young guys that are making alot of the mistakes that are springing the big plays. I like getting them experience -- I don't like putting the games in their hands.
B- with a benefit of the doubt due to the injuries. I think DLine has improved, but that may be all Turner.
If you're considering Bowling Green to be the one that he almost cost us then I'll disagree with you. The D only gave up 20 points. And 7 of those came after Dak's interception where BG started at the 20ish area. I do agree the D randomly goes to **** during the the game for no reason
Re-concussed against Bowling Green. Mullen said in the postgame press conference that is career was done...
D- Minimal at best pressure on any QB, no containment on the outside (should have left Chris Jones at DE an sit Autry), poor tackling and DB's who have trouble against any receiver. Thought Collins was all about pressure, haven't seen that yet. Why can't we correct the containment issues or at least make some player changes to help correct it. As the DC he's suppose to correct fundamental errors such as tackling yet we still miss a boat load. I understand that several DB's have been hurt and can understand having trouble covering the likes of Landry and Beckem but for the life of me can't figure out why there is no improvement especially against a Bowling Green. If their receiver hadn't let that last pass go through his hands (very catchable) BG is in line to kick a game winning FG. So not sold on him.
Secondary has kicked our teeth in, and can you really be all that mad about that? I certainly understand why. C+ because there hasn't been anyone who's stepped up. The only time our DB's have been near the ball is when we get to the QB, and there hasn't been enough of that to help those guys out. You'd think Collins would be living off the big guys this season. Jones and McKinney are thriving simply because of their athleticism.
At least our corners aren't playing 20 feet off the receiver at the line of scrimmage, so for that I'm happy. I'll hold off on ______ becoming DC until the beginning of next season when Collins isn't given the benefit of the doubt for not having a full deck of cards.
At least our corners aren't playing 20 feet off the receiver at the line of scrimmage, so for that I'm happy. I'll hold off on ______ becoming DC until the beginning of next season when Collins isn't given the benefit of the doubt for not having a full deck of cards.
You people kill me that think we lost the Auburn game bc of Collins..
We played lights out on D against Auburn nearly the entire game besides that one long pass play in the first half. Mullen took the foot off the gas in the second half once we got up 20-14. Mullen had a chance to end the game after Nickoe intercepted the ball at the 50 in the 4th. Instead, not surprisingly, we played not to lose. 8 mins later, ballgame Auburn. You can't do that **** in the SEC. Gotta capitalize off turnovers if you wanna win.
Overall I've been pleased with the defense thus far this year considering we don't have SEC quality safeties. I say B-
We played lights out on D against Auburn nearly the entire game besides that one long pass play in the first half. Mullen took the foot off the gas in the second half once we got up 20-14. Mullen had a chance to end the game after Nickoe intercepted the ball at the 50 in the 4th. Instead, not surprisingly, we played not to lose. 8 mins later, ballgame Auburn. You can't do that **** in the SEC. Gotta capitalize off turnovers if you wanna win.
Overall I've been pleased with the defense thus far this year considering we don't have SEC quality safeties. I say B-
i am totally dumbfounded that someone, much less TWO people would give anything better than a C+.....utterly dumbfounded, so much so, im not going to even address the incompetence of that rating. im just going to let it wash over me and pretend i didnt just read those grades.
i have a shitload of studying to do this week so im not going to get all rilled-up, but i think if we are being honest with ourselves, we know how the bowling green story would have ended had that wr not dropped the perfect pass that hit him right in his chest. i am more than 50% sure we would have lost that game. we could not stop anybody and as noted, they were almost in field goal range and had a kicker that was NOT named devon bell. i liked their chances...thank goodness that wr couldnt catch gonorrhea from a saigon *****.
as bad as giving up almost 400 yards to bowling green was, i did (surprisingly) see a few things that encouraged me. primarily, we played much more man, but still went into zone at inopportune times and additionally, i saw a few (and I emphasize FEW) creative blitzes. we even got a rare corner blitz at some point in the 3rd.
now, the troubling part is that most every time we blitzed, it was a negative play for them or a no gain....we are moving more in the direction of where i want to be, but we have a LONG way to go before i am satisfied with the scheme.
if people are being honest with themselves, there is negligible difference between wilson and collins, and if anything, wilson is producing at a higher rate:
total defense
Wilson: 397 ypg (53rd)...(bowl game included)
Collins: 404 ypg (59th)...(with a back-weighted second-half to go)
ADVANTAGE WILSON
scoring defense
Wilson: 24.5 ppg (36th)
Collins: 26.2 ppg (54th)
ADVANTAGE: WILSON
opponents 3rd down efficiency
Wilson: 43.6% (84th)
Collins: 43.75% (90th)
ADVANTAGE WILSON
guys....we are HALF WAY THROUGH THE SEASON WITH AN EVEN TOUGHER SECOND HALF COMING UP. we dont get any more troys or alcorn states or bowling greens to help pad the stats, we get aTm, ole miss, south carolina, bama, kentucky, and arkansas.
we are statistically WORSE under collins than we were under wilson in nearly every statistical category...not just the ones i emphasize...nearly ALL OF THEM.
so my question to you collins supporters is WHAT IN THE WORLD HAVE YOU SEEN THAT GIVES YOU A SHRED OF CONFIDENCE THAT COLLINS IS BETTER THAN WILSON?
sorry guys, you dont have a leg to stand on. the facts are overwhelmingly against you and sooner or later, you will have to succumb to the fact that collins simply isnt anything but mediocre....same as his predecessor.
its as simple as that. anyone that disagrees based on what he has done over half the season is doing nothing more than pulling the wool over their own eyes. its a statistical landslide in the favor of wilson. i know its an inconvenient truth, but its the truth nonetheless. better go ahead and get used to it.
in summary, wilson gets a D, collins gets a D-. unfortunately for us, they were cut from the same cloth and will subsequently produce similar results.
i have a shitload of studying to do this week so im not going to get all rilled-up, but i think if we are being honest with ourselves, we know how the bowling green story would have ended had that wr not dropped the perfect pass that hit him right in his chest. i am more than 50% sure we would have lost that game. we could not stop anybody and as noted, they were almost in field goal range and had a kicker that was NOT named devon bell. i liked their chances...thank goodness that wr couldnt catch gonorrhea from a saigon *****.
as bad as giving up almost 400 yards to bowling green was, i did (surprisingly) see a few things that encouraged me. primarily, we played much more man, but still went into zone at inopportune times and additionally, i saw a few (and I emphasize FEW) creative blitzes. we even got a rare corner blitz at some point in the 3rd.
now, the troubling part is that most every time we blitzed, it was a negative play for them or a no gain....we are moving more in the direction of where i want to be, but we have a LONG way to go before i am satisfied with the scheme.
if people are being honest with themselves, there is negligible difference between wilson and collins, and if anything, wilson is producing at a higher rate:
total defense
Wilson: 397 ypg (53rd)...(bowl game included)
Collins: 404 ypg (59th)...(with a back-weighted second-half to go)
ADVANTAGE WILSON
scoring defense
Wilson: 24.5 ppg (36th)
Collins: 26.2 ppg (54th)
ADVANTAGE: WILSON
opponents 3rd down efficiency
Wilson: 43.6% (84th)
Collins: 43.75% (90th)
ADVANTAGE WILSON
guys....we are HALF WAY THROUGH THE SEASON WITH AN EVEN TOUGHER SECOND HALF COMING UP. we dont get any more troys or alcorn states or bowling greens to help pad the stats, we get aTm, ole miss, south carolina, bama, kentucky, and arkansas.
we are statistically WORSE under collins than we were under wilson in nearly every statistical category...not just the ones i emphasize...nearly ALL OF THEM.
so my question to you collins supporters is WHAT IN THE WORLD HAVE YOU SEEN THAT GIVES YOU A SHRED OF CONFIDENCE THAT COLLINS IS BETTER THAN WILSON?
sorry guys, you dont have a leg to stand on. the facts are overwhelmingly against you and sooner or later, you will have to succumb to the fact that collins simply isnt anything but mediocre....same as his predecessor.
its as simple as that. anyone that disagrees based on what he has done over half the season is doing nothing more than pulling the wool over their own eyes. its a statistical landslide in the favor of wilson. i know its an inconvenient truth, but its the truth nonetheless. better go ahead and get used to it.
in summary, wilson gets a D, collins gets a D-. unfortunately for us, they were cut from the same cloth and will subsequently produce similar results.
Correct. Problem with the zone is that the CB's continue running with the WR's while the safeties have deep coverage.
Add a player the caliber of Chris Jones to a group and anybody becomes an all-SEC coach. Where is the improvement of Autry? Where is the improvement of Eulls?
I think our problem is that Collins nor Wilson know how to teach a zone defense. When we get beat on man coverage, it is primarily due to youth....but when we leave guys wide *** open in zone coverage it is because we run a terribly ****** zone.
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He's been on campus for a year and a half. He hasn't been handing out water during that time. It's not like Cox hasn't had his hiccups.
6-0 Wilson
Jackson State
Auburn
Troy
South Alabama
Kentucky
Tennessee
3-3 Collins
#?? Alcorn State ???
ADVANTAGE WILSON** (maybe you should wait for the whole picture (the whole season) before you start throwing out irrelevant stats.)
B. Room for improvement. Problems to be resolved in line play and safety play. We have less problems with open-field tackling but now we get gutted between the tackles. 5.0+ rushing ypg in last two games.
I'm still baffled why they moved Eulls to DE for BG and not CJ.
I'm still baffled why they moved Eulls to DE for BG and not CJ.
those werent wilsons stats vs jackson st, auburn, troy, usa, uk, tennessee, (the first 6), those were stats on the WHOLE YEAR including the bowl game, so pretending like its front-loaded to manipulate the data is not the case....games that included alabama, lsu, texas a&m, arkansas, ole miss, mtsu, and northwestern.
if those arent relevant statistics, the has NEVER been anything to qualify as such. its got absolutely ZERO to do with the current record. its about what we are giving up and if you think its going to get BETTER, you are in for a huge disappointment. with alabama, texas A&M, south carolina and ole miss looming, its going to get much worse statistically.
if someone is to give collins a B+, wilson would by default have to be at least an A-, which brings me to my larger point, Why in the hell did we run off a bad coach just to hire a WORSE coach as a replacement?
it was apparent to everyone that wilson was not a very good coach, but here we are halfway through the season and our defensive statistics are worse than our defensive statistics of the entire '12 season and we are still currently in the "cushy" part of the schedule. you cannot say that we made the right call with firing wilson and defend collins in the same breath. based off the performance expectations set last season, collins is half-way out the door because he is not surpassing the minimum expectations which got the prior coach fired...and the season is only going to get more difficult.
if you defend collins, explain to me why we fired wilson...because the statistics show he is the superior coach....and thats not even taking into account his performance during the '11 season.
keep in mind, WILSON had a top 30 total defense team (26th to be exact) at only 342 ypg, and a top 15 SCORING DEFENSE giving up 19.9 ppg during the ENTIRE '11 season....and if you recall, that was a difficult schedule: memphis, auburn, lsu, la tech, georgia, uab, south carolina, kentucky, ut martin, alabama, arkansas, ole miss, and wake.
right now....to me, it looks like we fired a coach that was in the top 25 and top 15 in some cases during half of his time with us only to hire a coach that cant crack the top 45 in those same defensive statistics.
if those arent relevant statistics, the has NEVER been anything to qualify as such. its got absolutely ZERO to do with the current record. its about what we are giving up and if you think its going to get BETTER, you are in for a huge disappointment. with alabama, texas A&M, south carolina and ole miss looming, its going to get much worse statistically.
if someone is to give collins a B+, wilson would by default have to be at least an A-, which brings me to my larger point, Why in the hell did we run off a bad coach just to hire a WORSE coach as a replacement?
it was apparent to everyone that wilson was not a very good coach, but here we are halfway through the season and our defensive statistics are worse than our defensive statistics of the entire '12 season and we are still currently in the "cushy" part of the schedule. you cannot say that we made the right call with firing wilson and defend collins in the same breath. based off the performance expectations set last season, collins is half-way out the door because he is not surpassing the minimum expectations which got the prior coach fired...and the season is only going to get more difficult.
if you defend collins, explain to me why we fired wilson...because the statistics show he is the superior coach....and thats not even taking into account his performance during the '11 season.
keep in mind, WILSON had a top 30 total defense team (26th to be exact) at only 342 ypg, and a top 15 SCORING DEFENSE giving up 19.9 ppg during the ENTIRE '11 season....and if you recall, that was a difficult schedule: memphis, auburn, lsu, la tech, georgia, uab, south carolina, kentucky, ut martin, alabama, arkansas, ole miss, and wake.
right now....to me, it looks like we fired a coach that was in the top 25 and top 15 in some cases during half of his time with us only to hire a coach that cant crack the top 45 in those same defensive statistics.
first of all, room for improvement is the biggest understatement of all time.
you are entitled to your vastly uninformed opinion, but do me this one favor. give chris wilson a grade as well. based on the results, i will be able to tell if you are insane or hopelessly naive.
Chris Wilson had 2 second round corners, a drafted defensive tackle, and a free agent linebacker for the cowboys playing on his defense last year. Collins is getting the same results as wilson with a bunch of newcomers. Also, we have had a lot more injuries this year on te defensive side of the ball. I don't think Collins is great, but you aren't being fair. In the one game Collins had all of those athletes last year we looked way better on defense, but Russell **** the bed.
I hear Manny Diaz is available.*
"In 2010 with the Mississippi State Bulldogs, Diaz guided a defense that ranked 22nd in the nation in scoring defense (19.9 ppg), 17th in rushing defense (214.9 ypg) and 17th in tackles for loss (7.0 pg). That was a dramatic turnaround for MSU from the season prior to his arrival. In 2009, the defense finished 71st in scoring defense, 62nd in rushing defense and 89th in TFL.
"In 2010 with the Mississippi State Bulldogs, Diaz guided a defense that ranked 22nd in the nation in scoring defense (19.9 ppg), 17th in rushing defense (214.9 ypg) and 17th in tackles for loss (7.0 pg). That was a dramatic turnaround for MSU from the season prior to his arrival. In 2009, the defense finished 71st in scoring defense, 62nd in rushing defense and 89th in TFL.
I am being fair. do you not think there are any NFL players on the defensive side of the ball? hell, an incredibly inordinate amount of our talent recruited to play ball at state have been placed on the defensive side of the ball. as a mater of fact, tyler russell, joe morrow, damien robinson, and fred ross are the ONLY offensive players that are rated 4* or better on our 2-deep (all four are 4*'s).
Meanwhile, on the defensive side of the ball we are overloaded with talent...that is underachieving, but the talent pool is there, unlike the offensive side (that doesnt stop people calling for mullen and koenning to be fired....funny how that works huh?)
On the defensive side: (and for the sake of convenience, i will use scouts rankings, although if i used composite rankings, it would appear at an even greater disparity than what i am about to show).
4* M. Wells
4* K. Eulls
4* D. Arrington
4* B. Brown
5* D. Autry
5* Q. Evans
4* N. James
4* W. Redmond (the prodigal son finally returns)
4* J. Cox
5* C. Jones
On top of that, we have an all sec mlb in Mckinney that had over 100 tackles last year.
sooooo....you dont think any of those guys are going to be playing in the NFL? Throw out chris jones and redmond because they are inexperienced and havent had many snaps....its still a stupid number of 4* and 5* guys that are being totally underutilized and in some cases untapped.
THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT of talent on that side of the ball. often, the offensive side of the ball is cannibalized to add defensive depth.
your argument that we do not have any athletes on that side of the ball comparable to other years is totally invalid. this whole thing illustrates my point that we are utilizing them COMPLETELY in the wrong manner. that side of the ball is STACKED....especially at the DL and LB positions. we have had some bad injuries that have hurt and i concede there has been a sever decline in what our expectations should be considering those injuries. that said, we are wasting our talent. if we have 5* DT's that arent seeing the field because they are lazy, thats on coaching.
the impact that our 2 NFL corners kinda loses its impact when you consider that during the 2012 season we were 51st in the NATION in passing defense....surrendering 227 yards per game WITH banks and slay....so the fact that we had 2 NFL corners is negligible to your argument. We currently rank 64th in pass defense giving up 237 yards per game WITHOUT BANKS AND SLAY.....essentially, having both of those guys only allowed to improve our pass defense a whopping 10 yards.
again, your argument is invalid. sorry, but those guys had VERY little impact because the SCHEME IS ****!!!!!! the same scheme we are currently in.
that information is DAMNING to any talent argument. the talent is there, the scheme is not. holy **** dude....we are STACKED on the defensive side, but nobody knows it because its being utilized in the worst possible way. we should be feasting on offenses like we have never seen before, save the late 90's. yet, our read and react ******** scheme is killing any real shot we have at a dominating defense. our defensive side is stacked with players that had offers from alabama and lsu....its a damn shame we dont have anybody that knows how to use them. they really could be something special and every now and then we get a glimpse of what could be. its pretty damn sickening to think what we continue to waste and its even more disgusting to find people that actually defend it.
Meanwhile, on the defensive side of the ball we are overloaded with talent...that is underachieving, but the talent pool is there, unlike the offensive side (that doesnt stop people calling for mullen and koenning to be fired....funny how that works huh?)
On the defensive side: (and for the sake of convenience, i will use scouts rankings, although if i used composite rankings, it would appear at an even greater disparity than what i am about to show).
4* M. Wells
4* K. Eulls
4* D. Arrington
4* B. Brown
5* D. Autry
5* Q. Evans
4* N. James
4* W. Redmond (the prodigal son finally returns)
4* J. Cox
5* C. Jones
On top of that, we have an all sec mlb in Mckinney that had over 100 tackles last year.
sooooo....you dont think any of those guys are going to be playing in the NFL? Throw out chris jones and redmond because they are inexperienced and havent had many snaps....its still a stupid number of 4* and 5* guys that are being totally underutilized and in some cases untapped.
THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT of talent on that side of the ball. often, the offensive side of the ball is cannibalized to add defensive depth.
your argument that we do not have any athletes on that side of the ball comparable to other years is totally invalid. this whole thing illustrates my point that we are utilizing them COMPLETELY in the wrong manner. that side of the ball is STACKED....especially at the DL and LB positions. we have had some bad injuries that have hurt and i concede there has been a sever decline in what our expectations should be considering those injuries. that said, we are wasting our talent. if we have 5* DT's that arent seeing the field because they are lazy, thats on coaching.
the impact that our 2 NFL corners kinda loses its impact when you consider that during the 2012 season we were 51st in the NATION in passing defense....surrendering 227 yards per game WITH banks and slay....so the fact that we had 2 NFL corners is negligible to your argument. We currently rank 64th in pass defense giving up 237 yards per game WITHOUT BANKS AND SLAY.....essentially, having both of those guys only allowed to improve our pass defense a whopping 10 yards.
again, your argument is invalid. sorry, but those guys had VERY little impact because the SCHEME IS ****!!!!!! the same scheme we are currently in.
that information is DAMNING to any talent argument. the talent is there, the scheme is not. holy **** dude....we are STACKED on the defensive side, but nobody knows it because its being utilized in the worst possible way. we should be feasting on offenses like we have never seen before, save the late 90's. yet, our read and react ******** scheme is killing any real shot we have at a dominating defense. our defensive side is stacked with players that had offers from alabama and lsu....its a damn shame we dont have anybody that knows how to use them. they really could be something special and every now and then we get a glimpse of what could be. its pretty damn sickening to think what we continue to waste and its even more disgusting to find people that actually defend it.
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All of our talent is very young dude. The talent I was talking about from last year was senior laden. The talent you are talking about is first or 2nd year players for the most part. Again, I don't think Collins is great, but we have had an abnormal amount of injuries in the secondary (which lost 2 great corners from last year), and a lot of our 2 deep is extremely young. You also aren't considering the fact tht Oklahoma state is way better on offense than any non conference team we played last year, auburn is 19 trillion times better on offense this year, and Lsu is way better on offense this year as well. Everyone in the sec that we play this year is better than they were last year. Collins is an average coordinator, but I think he's a little better than Wilson.