You would rhink that instead of crying about the call you would be asking why a player that is so important to your defence is putting his head down and completely blowing up a defenseless reciever head to head and got himself ejected. Its not a new rule. 4th year or so it has been on place. It sucks when it is called on your team and i know its hard to hold back when you are going full speed but seriously he let you all down big time getting himself booted. I literally rewound the dvr about 5 times watching his replacment get suck in the middle on thqt second long td run. We all had a good laugh.
Gerry's ejection changed the complexion of the game.
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You would rhink that instead of crying about the call you would be asking why a player that is so important to your defence is putting his head down and completely blowing up a defenseless reciever head to head and got himself ejected. Its not a new rule. 4th year or so it has been on place. It sucks when it is called on your team and i know its hard to hold back when you are going full speed but seriously he let you all down big time getting himself booted. I literally rewound the dvr about 5 times watching his replacment get suck in the middle on thqt second long td run. We all had a good laugh.
Was Gerry going for the ball or the tackle? In your "diving" scenario the diver has his hands in front of him as he would if trying to intercept the ball which he was not doing. Regardless of how stupid or dumb everyone thinks this rule is, it is there for the safety of players. I was taught to use/lead with my helmet in HS, not a good idea as it turns out.
All the tackler needs to do is get his darn head up which is what every coach teaches - see what you hit and hit what you see. The fact he came into the action with his head lowered was opening himself up for the penalty. The receiver going low just showed the problem of Gerry leading with his head.
As far as the game changing at that point, the DE is responsible to turn that inside and the LB is responsible to make the play. Gerry could be on the other side or be taken out by a post pattern. I wouldn't count on Gerry making a tackle in space anyway. He is obviously one of your favorite players thus all of the love for him but really, what a disappointing year for him.
In 2015 helmet to helmet contact means an ejection from the game. You can complain about the rule all you want but it isn't going away. I can only imagine the new rules that will be implemented in the next 5-10 years that will contiinue to change the game of football.
Hey stupid, if you paid attention to slow-mo video, his shoulder made contact first, then the side of his helmet made contact with your player's helmet. He didn't go head first as if he were targeting. It was a nice hit. Everyone with an ounce of sense knows it was a poor call. I guess we know you're not in that group.
I've seen the replay several times and the booth reviewed it. I didn't eject him from the game...send your complaints to the Big 10 Office.
With that being said...it really hurt the team to lose him...no doubt.
With that being said...it really hurt the team to lose him...no doubt.
I thought the hit on Westerkamp in the Mich St. Game was textbook targeting, no flag, so I don't know what is and isn't.
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Does that mean Gerry will have to miss part or all of the bowl game (if we're selected?)
Does that mean Gerry will have to miss part or all of the bowl game (if we're selected?)
I don't know if it was even the worst call in the game..........Malik's late hit call was totally bogus, first the OL pushed him into the QB and secondly Malik was pulling out of the contact before it happened.....good acting job by Beathard!
He was being held, I thought the flag was for holding, newp.
Who is blaming the refs? Can't have that many turnovers and expect to win. Refs blowing calls suck in any game IMO. Don't be a dummy. Read the whole thread.
Edit: oh, 2 posts, lol. Nevermind.
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And that's the biggest problem I have with the rule- its enforced so inconsistently and the penalty is so harsh. They need to take it down from a game ejection to a quarter or something.
He looked like he was trying to jar the ball loose. His head has to be down when you go low or your going to break your neck. Do you dive into a pool with your head up???? Of course not. But again... by NCAA rule does Gerry have to let him make the play???
Now that's targeting the players head of a defenseless player. Westy was straight up and the defender went for his head.
The Iowa's head, shoulders and ball are leading??? Where else is there to hit to make a play on a diving player???
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I thought 15 looked lost and slow. Plus he managed to find someone to block him on a long run (that was busy blocking another one of our guys). For years our backers have not been good in space when taking on blockers. Their feet stop as soon as their arms engage.
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I think the correct play there was to run in and yell "boo!!!". That or kick him in the arms with your foot and break the pass up.
Jimmy Frank Quote: "Who is blaming the refs? Can't have that many turnovers and expect to win. Refs blowing calls suck in any game IMO. Don't be a dummy. Read the whole thread.
Edit: oh, 2 posts, lol. Nevermind.
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Let's see, prior to your post:
"Bad call on the ejection imo."
"...roughing the passer where Collins bumped into Beathard while being held...B1G officiating at it's finest."
"This ejecting people from a game for making a good aggressive play is just pure bs"
"Totally crappy call imo."
"I don't know if it was even the worst call in the game..........Malik's late hit call was totally bogus, first the OL pushed him into the QB and secondly Malik was pulling out of the contact before it happened.....good acting job by Beathard!"
I did read the whole thread and don't call me a dummy. I think the body of work I took from earlier in the thread shows I was not off base.
I agree with this statement. I hope they truly gave Smith a valid concussion test.
Edit: oh, 2 posts, lol. Nevermind.
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Let's see, prior to your post:
"Bad call on the ejection imo."
"...roughing the passer where Collins bumped into Beathard while being held...B1G officiating at it's finest."
"This ejecting people from a game for making a good aggressive play is just pure bs"
"Totally crappy call imo."
"I don't know if it was even the worst call in the game..........Malik's late hit call was totally bogus, first the OL pushed him into the QB and secondly Malik was pulling out of the contact before it happened.....good acting job by Beathard!"
I did read the whole thread and don't call me a dummy. I think the body of work I took from earlier in the thread shows I was not off base.
I agree with this statement. I hope they truly gave Smith a valid concussion test.
can Gerry lead feet first or would that be a tripping penalty? A diving player should not be consider defenseless... change the rule.
I said blaming the refs was pathetic after a loss. You acted as if that wasn't happening to any extent... I merely pointed out where you were wrong. You lost. Your team had a very tough start to the season losing those 4 games on the last possession.... Deal with it. Quit being cry babies blaming refs. Did the refs hand you the game against MSU? Did the refs cause you to lose the other 5 games? Pathetic.
I didn't see where any of those blame the refs for losing, Husker fan isn't dumb, we know why we lost. Seeing stupid blown penalties gets tiresome, in any game.
Refs handed us the MSU game? Se you are dumb. Did you read the rule? Did you see that called the same in MSUs favor?
Blaming the refs for a loss, MSU, is pathetic.
Refs handed us the MSU game? Se you are dumb. Did you read the rule? Did you see that called the same in MSUs favor?
Blaming the refs for a loss, MSU, is pathetic.
Watch this video over and over again from 0:31 to 0:35 where it shows the side view.
It looks like Gerry is lowering his body and leading with his shoulder. He does not explode through the receiver.
The (Dumb, IMO) announcers say, "Forcible contact above the shoulders...above the shoulders, correctly called." (Gerry did not aim high)
1. He is not trying to "attack with an apparent attempt that goes beyond making a legal tackle or playing the ball.
2. He is not initiating contact with the top of his helmet.
3. He initiates contact to the head area. (Receiver dove towards him; he didn't aim high)
4. By rule below, the receiver is defenseless. (Because most/all receivers when they extend/reach to catch the ball)
The receiver turned and dove right to where Gerry was coming from. What was he to do? Stand up and run his hips through the diving receiver?
With that being said, I still don't think it was correctly called. Read the 'Key Indicators' section below. He did not 'attack' the head or neck area with apparent intent.
http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=2342
RULES
Targeting and Initiating Contact With the Crown of the Helmet (Rule 9-1-3)
No player shall target and initiate contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
Targeting and Initiating Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player (Rule 9-1-4)
No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, fist, elbow or shoulder. When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 2-27-14)
Note: Beginning in 2013, ejection from the game is a part of the penalty for violation of both Rule 9-1-3 and Rule 9-1-4.
KEY ELEMENTS
Target—to take aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with an apparent intent that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. NO
Crown of the Helmet—the top portion of the helmet. NO
Contact to the head or neck area—not only with the helmet, but also with the forearm, fist, elbow, or shoulder—these can all lead to a foul. YES (Receiver dove into him)
Defenseless player—a player not in position to defend himself. YES (See bold text below)
Examples (Rule 2-27-14):
- A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
- A receiver attempting to catch a pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
- A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.
- A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick.
- A player on the ground.
- A player obviously out of the play.
- A player who receives a blind-side block. (Are ALL blind-side blocks illegal?? Happens a lot on punt returns and isn't called)
- A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped.
- A quarterback any time after a change of possession.
KEY INDICATORS
Risk of a foul is high with one or more of these:
- Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make contact in the head or neck area
- A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with contact at the head or neck area—even though one or both feet are still on the ground
- Leading with helmet, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with contact at the head or neck area
- Lowering the head before attacking by initiating contact with the crown of the helmet
- Heads-up tackle in which the crown of the helmet does not strike above the shoulders
- Wrap-up tackle
- Head is to the side rather than being used to initiate contact
- Incidental helmet contact that is not part of targeting but is due to the players changing position during the course of play
- Don’t lead with your head
- Lower your target--don’t go for the head or neck area with anything
- Tackle: Heads-up and wrap-up
With all the talk of bad ref calls, I merely asked a question regarding the MSU game. If you are blaming the refs for a loss do you give the refs credit for a win? Of course you don't. That is why the incessant whining is so pathetic. I was not taking a side in the MSU call. Btw, the examples I provided are just from the first half of this thread. They prove my point there IS a fixation on blaming the refs.
"Bad call on the ejection imo."
"...roughing the passer where Collins bumped into Beathard while being held...B1G officiating at it's finest."
"This ejecting people from a game for making a good aggressive play is just pure bs"
"Totally crappy call imo."
"I don't know if it was even the worst call in the game..........Malik's late hit call was totally bogus, first the OL pushed him into the QB and secondly Malik was pulling out of the contact before it happened.....good acting job by Beathard!"
"Bad call on the ejection imo."
"...roughing the passer where Collins bumped into Beathard while being held...B1G officiating at it's finest."
"This ejecting people from a game for making a good aggressive play is just pure bs"
"Totally crappy call imo."
"I don't know if it was even the worst call in the game..........Malik's late hit call was totally bogus, first the OL pushed him into the QB and secondly Malik was pulling out of the contact before it happened.....good acting job by Beathard!"
None of those say and because of this, we lost. But hey, if you're ok with the inconsistency of how stuff is called, then you don't have any worries. Weren't you whining about how MSU got screwed by refs?
Exactly. We lost because we didn't finish drives and ultimately the game.
Now the problem is Gerry getting suspended for the first half of a bowl game. With all the evidence that he wasn't trying to blow up the Iowa player but was trying to make a play. The suspension should be lifted. I hope we address this with the B1G officials. Gerry was punished enough!
No, the worst call or non call of the game was the long completion to the ineligible tight end that lead directly to Nebraska's first TD. That wasn't even a judgement call. It was a blatant illegal formation.
Targeting is rough. Gerry didn't try to target, but I see how they called it. The Nebraska trainer was running onto the field essentially before the whistle was blown. Sounds are huge indicators field level. But, a very tough break.
The roughing the passer penalty was bogus. BOGUS. However, a miss the other way was Carter being ineligible on the big pass on the first scoring drive. That is as basic of a call for zebras as counting players before each play is, and isn't even a judgement call. These two IMO are the most egregious of the day.
It was the same crew that made a debacle of the NW-Wisc game the prior week. Guess it's no surprise there were a couple of doozies on Friday.
Maybe you ought to develop more players rather than thugs. That exit pumping his chest was disgusting and shameful.
Where in all of that does it say that is why we lost the game?
The Ejection call was so bad, I yelled so loud and much I scared my 7 year old son!. If Gerry doesn't do exactly what he did the ball would of been caught. A football player making a football play should not be ejected from the game. Also Gerry's shoulder pad is what knocked his mouth piece out.
Again the refs did not lose the game for us. They also didn't make it any easier for us!
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Unless Gerry was going to play QB, it didn't matter. IMO they should have let the penalty stand but not ejected him. When the WR is down that low to begin with, you only have so much control of where you strike.
Interesting how targeting seems to be a penalty that only gets called on DBs. If a running back gets lit up by the LB on a swing pass, nobody feels sorry for him.
Interesting how targeting seems to be a penalty that only gets called on DBs. If a running back gets lit up by the LB on a swing pass, nobody feels sorry for him.
The thing I hate about the targeting rule is how disproportionate the penalty is compared to absolutely dirty plays that take place away from the ball. I remember the time that pathetic douchebag from Wisconsin chased down Taylor Martinez wayyyy after he had thrown the ball, and dove at the back of Martinez's knees in a clear attempt to injure him. That drew a flag, but no ejection, even though it was a far dirtier play than 95 percent of the targeting calls.
That said, I think refs and review officials are under tremendous pressure to rigorously enforce the targeting rule, and I was not at all surprised that Gerry was ejected. Don't like the decision, but it was consistent with the way the rule is being enforced these days.
If it was consistent, Mich. St. Would have had a player booted for targeting on Westerkamp but they didn't catch it I guess, even though he was catching the ball and right in the middle of the field.