Any of you folks on strike? If so I hope you get what you deserve. Y’all made huge sacrifices when GM went bankrupt to help them get back on their feet and should get some of those lost benefits back!!
GM strike
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I feel like every tax paying citizen made a huge sacrifice when GM went bankrupt
To hell with unions. They reduce total prosperity for workers and Society in general. This ain’t 1970. You’re the reason companies go overseas. I’m sure I am going to get blasted. :boom: Oh Well
Rough take, Glenn.
Oh, wait. Wrong thread. Sorry.
Oh, wait. Wrong thread. Sorry.
I worked union for years before I changed career paths. Enjoyed the frequent raises and job security. Didn’t feel a bit sorry for management and filing grievances against them when they’d try to dick us over was always a good time.
Next time you want to diss unions, remeber who got you the 40 hour, 5-day work week with paid time off. If not for unions, we might still be working 80 hours a week for a couple bucks a day to spend at the company store.
I hope the GM workers get all their demands met.
Next time you want to diss unions, remeber who got you the 40 hour, 5-day work week with paid time off. If not for unions, we might still be working 80 hours a week for a couple bucks a day to spend at the company store.
I hope the GM workers get all their demands met.
Most of those automaker jobs are not worth the amount of money people are paid to perform them. Give me two bananas and ten minutes and I could teach a monkey to do them. The second banana is because I like monkeys.
Have worked both union and nonunion as well. Biggest down side to the union is good employees cant be incentivized for good work. But they do get to work harder to make up for the poor performers, excessive absenteeism, etc but luckily get to be paid the same wages. Most always, you find a guy or gal praising how the union prevents the company or the man from sticking it to them, you will find an employee in that bottom 20% of the work force, that needs someone to defend their job because they aren't doing it. We all have met them, this place makes a ton of money, they need to pay me for showing up, they owe me a job, etc.
And for the record I don't at all disagree with the good things the union has done in the past, but states and federal government mandates have taken over those issues you talk about above. All unions are now is a business, inside your business, that works for their own bottom line not the companies. speaking of isn't there a current court case with a bunch of union big wigs for stealing money from the union?
They need to stop GM & other companies from jacking prices on SUVs & trucks to subsidize their electric cars as no one will buy those golf carts at the prices they cost to make a profit on them directly. Dems are out to screw you over on that and the automakers are happy to join with them.
We taxpayers made money off the bailout with the interest corps had to pay.
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GM filings with the SEC reveal that GM was paying 7 percent interest on a $6.7 billion TARP debt. The filings also confirm that the source of funds for GM's debt repayments was a multibillion-dollar TARP-funded escrow account at Treasury; that means it was taxpayer money — not earnings.Apr 23, 2010
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GM filings with the SEC reveal that GM was paying 7 percent interest on a $6.7 billion TARP debt. The filings also confirm that the source of funds for GM's debt repayments was a multibillion-dollar TARP-funded escrow account at Treasury; that means it was taxpayer money — not earnings.Apr 23, 2010
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As for the "mindless" work, those jobs have been automated. Most automotive assembly people are doing several tasks and are doing quality control at the same time.
$63/hour, on average, including benefits.
What are those benefits and how is their value determined?
Why not just tell what they actually make without including benefits?
Meanwhile this guy makes 10 dollars a day and he’s perfectly fine with it, doesn’t complain about social justice and isn’t offended by mean people.
I tell ya man, clock’s ticking
I tell ya man, clock’s ticking
Enjoy your 40k a year with your degree. Suckers lol
At a place I used to work, they always told us that if we included benefits, our "pay" was 1.5 times what our salary was.
If that held true for these GM auto workers, their actual pay would be around $42/hour.
If that held true for these GM auto workers, their actual pay would be around $42/hour.
Hope they take the jobs to Mexico. Unions suck.
Last union job I had I was stuck working 6 to 7 days a week with 10+ hour days and no paid sick time. Ended up screwing my back up and have had 3 back surgeries so far due to that job. The union didn't really do anything for me besides getting paid a little better than similar jobs at other places but you had to kill yourself to get that money.
These automobile factory workers should be extremely happy with what they get and stop complaining. It will eventually get to the point where the average person can't/won't spend the money to buy these vehicles and the workers will be out of a job.
Labor equals 10-15% of the cost of a new vehicle. Union auto workers earn about $28 per hour. Toyota earns about $25 per hour. Doing the same thing 700 times a day is mindless work and to do a quality job is what’s significant. If you pay someone $17 an hour to stand 10 plus hours and work overhead they’re not going to be concerned with quality. Why would they care when they can go drive a forklift for the same pay. Or drive a truck and earn $25 plus an hour. The vehicles would be terrible.
I’m perfectly fine with the guys wanting more pay if it means they’ll be happier and do a better job and my car won’t explode and kill my entire family while I’m driving it. Why are we against this?
Based on this stellar and highly virtuous logic Toyotas should be exploding left and right.
The opposite is actually more likely in a competitive cause/effect world. If you make a product and your main cost component is higher than your competition it will likely cause you to try to make it up in other areas (materials, recall replacement offerings, etc).
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I’ve seen a solid 5000 stupid *** Chevy commercials in the last 5 years, including the Super Bowl. How bout they trim that stupid *** marketing campaign about 9 figures before engine parts.
GM absolutely screwed my father-in-law's retirement (he was non-union). Guy put in over 40 years. Even went back to help them during retirement since they had not trained anyone to take over his job.
Listening to his stories, was not shocked one bit when taxpayers had to bail them out. Just a horribly managed company. Executives are absolute thieves. Get enormous salaries and bonuses and constantly make terrible decisions and have no problems screwing over their employees. My FIL lost over $250k in his retirement on stock alone when the company needed the bailout. Begged him to cash out all of the stock around 2007, but would not listen to me.
Listening to his stories, was not shocked one bit when taxpayers had to bail them out. Just a horribly managed company. Executives are absolute thieves. Get enormous salaries and bonuses and constantly make terrible decisions and have no problems screwing over their employees. My FIL lost over $250k in his retirement on stock alone when the company needed the bailout. Begged him to cash out all of the stock around 2007, but would not listen to me.
My dad worked 44.7 yrs with GM.....(at least that's what his cheap gold watch says he worked). He even was on the Union board for a few yrs. He'll be the first to tell you that when he started, the Union was a very needed entity......and was instrumental in helping a lot of people out and protecting everyone else. But like most things, it became too large and too corrupted. When he saw how the Union was "managing" the funds, he resigned from the board. They weren't doing anything illegal......just being dumb with the money.
A few yrs before he retired, they threatened a walk out. They had a list of demands......among them were 10 coffee makers instead of 6......and a feminine produce dispenser in the women's restroom. During the UAW meeting, a guy spoke up and said that if everyone in the meeting would put in $5 that they could take care of every single demand on the list. They yelled at him.......and later, keyed his truck and tore his wipers off. This was in the early 00's.
A few yrs before he retired, they threatened a walk out. They had a list of demands......among them were 10 coffee makers instead of 6......and a feminine produce dispenser in the women's restroom. During the UAW meeting, a guy spoke up and said that if everyone in the meeting would put in $5 that they could take care of every single demand on the list. They yelled at him.......and later, keyed his truck and tore his wipers off. This was in the early 00's.
You've said it twice now. Where is your citation? GM has the highest paid workers, where is the difference in quality?
Beaners should go home and help their people and not post derelict ******** in threads I read. Eat **** and then go HOME Ron.
What are these ppl making like 65 dollars an hour with high school diplomas and a billion weeks of vacation?
Gee I wonder why no bought their cars...had to make up that operational cost somewhere.
Gee I wonder why no bought their cars...had to make up that operational cost somewhere.
Some of us make close to $30 an hour. Many of the newer workers make $15 and are temporary workers. Hard to say no one is buying their cars when they have been having their highest profits in history lately.
