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Go ahead and blast away, but I think Tyler Russell

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ALdawg.sixpack

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is just as good as Aaron Murray. There are just a couple of differences:

[list type=decimal][*]Georgia didn't have a Chris Relf that had some experience and could run their offense. Murray had to be forced into action.
[*]Georgia has better talent at WR and Murray gets some completions that Russell wouldn't with our receivers. I think you give Russell an A.J. Green and Chris Durham and he could do similar things.[*]Murray is more mobile than Russell.
[/list]They both have talent and can sling the ball, but they both make poor decisions with it sometimes.
 
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is just as good as Aaron Murray. There are just a couple of differences:

[list type=decimal][*]Georgia didn't have a Chris Relf that had some experience and could run their offense. Murray had to be forced into action.
[*]Georgia has better talent at WR and Murray gets some completions that Russell wouldn't with our receivers. I think you give Russell an A.J. Green and Chris Durham and he could do similar things.[*]Murray is more mobile than Russell.
[/list]They both have talent and can sling the ball, but they both make poor decisions with it sometimes.
 
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just going to say that you have absolutely nothing to base this on. Murray has been a SEC starter for an entire season and has really good numbers. Tyler Russell couldn't play his way onto the field (not to say he won't later). I would have to give a huge edge to Murray.
 
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In Russell's only extended action against an SEC defense- he threw 4 picks...

I'm not bashing him, I'm just asking what you base this assumption on? Because I agree with most people in that Murray is going to be a 1st or 2nd round draft pick in a couple of years- I dont see that happening with Russell
 
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[list type=decimal][*]Some of the throws Tyler made in his brief action have been impressive--there's no denying the kid has the physical tools to be a great passer. Those interceptions you refer to against LSU weren't because of his lack of ability, they were a result of poor decisions against a very talented pass defense (t-24th in interceptions with 16; t-20th in sacks with 32). He was getting pressured and throwing the ball up for grabs. Georgia didn't play LSU, so we have no idea how Murray would have fared against them.[*]My main argument is that Murray wasn't all that impressive early on without A.J. Green either. His numbers are slightly inflated from when he played weaker teams. Since I know you like stats, here is what he did without A.J. Green early in the season:[/list]
  • LA-Lafayette: 3 TD's; 1 INT (team that is likely comparable to Memphis and we saw what Tyler did against them)
  • South Carolina: 192 yds, 0 TD's, 0 INT
  • Arkansas: 253 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT (even Relf threw all over Arkansas)
  • MSU: 274 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT (our pass defense isn't exactly stout)
  • Total (SEC only): 3 games, 2 TD's, 1 INT
  • Total (games without A.J. Green): 4 games, 5 TD's, 2 INT's

The best pass defense Murray played against (Florida), he threw 3 INT's.

My comment was pure speculation because we do not know how Tyler would have done had he been forced to be "the guy." I was just watching Murray and I think Tyler could make every play (minus the running) that Aaron Murray has done.
 
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Until he does, you cannot compare him to Murray or anyone else who is actually playing and playing fairly well. We do not know how good Russell will be. I believe he'll be fine, and possibly he might end up having as good of a career as Murray. At this point, however, we don't know. Making statements like this is in the same basic category as OM fans talking smack about Spurlock before he had done anything other than light up the practice squad.
 
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Russell had a great game against Memphis....similar to Murray having great games against Louisiana-Lafayette, Vandy, Idaho St.
You can point to Russell throwing 4 INT's against LSU, but you have to acknowledge Murray threw 3 INT's against Florida.

And Murray has better WR's to work with, we may have 1 WR that would get significant snaps with them.
I can compare them all day long, I'm saying I think they have equal talent (minus the running ability).
My only point was that if Russell had to have been the guy this year, I am SPECULATING that he would have had pretty good numbers as well. I think he would have played great against Memphis, Alcorn, UAB, Houston. Do I know this? No, But based on what I saw he could do against a ****** team I think he could manage.
 
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ALdawg said:
Russell had a great game against Memphis....similar to Murray having great games against Louisiana-Lafayette, Vandy, Idaho St.
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Memphis would have been in the bottom 3rd of Division III this year. Memphis as an opponent this year does not compare to any other team in 1A. This was the only game Russell played well in. This comparison is asinine.
 
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I'll try to make the situations parallel for you. Take the first game of each:

You cannot honestly sit there and say that Louisiana-Lafayette (or Idaho St.) is that much better than Memphis. I mean compare the teams. Memphis is 117th in scoring defense and Louisiana-Lafayette is 112th. I mean really, when you are that far down at the bottom, is there that much difference?

True, Vandy doesn't fit in with those other teams, my point was that those are lesser teams that I think Tyler would have had a better chance of putting up good numbers against instead of LSU.

Idaho St. might be worse than Memphis. Do a little reasearch before you start calling some comparisons asinine.
 
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the field against LSU with an impressive touchdowndrive and also drove down the field against Alabamas #1 defense and scored a great touchdown throw. The offense had done nothing during those two games prior to him getting in. Doesnt mean he didnt throw some picks but having him as the starting qb would cause no dropoff.
 
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Coach34

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1. he didnt drive it all the way down the field vs LSU- he took over when Ralph got hurt on a run to the LSU 48

2. Bama had back-ups in the game on Russell's TD drive.

3. There would be a very noticeable dropoff from Ralph to him.

He did some very good things this year, no doubt. And he also made quite a few mistakes. He needs to have a good Spring and hold on to the back-up job.
 
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Let's look at what Aaron murray had that Russell didn't
1. Full practice time with the 1st team squad.
2. A.j. Green, enough said.
3. Not to mention he was the only option. When Russel got a shot he was looking over his shoulder afraid to get pulled for a mistake. Matter fact, Relf and Russell played relatively poorly during those early games when they were splitting time.

Now I do believe Relf was our best shot at winning, but who knows how good Russel could have been if he was the starter all season with Relf coming in as a change of pace option.

Something to think about.
 
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Our WRs are playing better now at the end of the season. For most of the season they were just about non-existant. In fact, with WRs able to hang onto the football, we may have beaten Auburn. Why am I bringing this up? Because with the lack of consistently good WR play Russell would have struggled. Relf could run the football. Russell doesn't have that dimension in his game. He is a passer who can occasionally run. We don't win 8 games with Russell at QB. Plus, I would like to see someone compile the number of drives Relf kept alive by running on 3rd and 4th and short.

Look, if you gave Russell the Georgia offense, maybe he does as well as Murray. That is a huge maybe. The point is, we don't know. It is completely stupid to say he is just as good as Murray. So far Russell is a player with potential. Meanwhile Murray is a player who is already a successful QB who could develop into a great QB. There is a ton of difference between Russell and Murray.

Just as people don't need to beat up Russell for not being an AA from day one, so do people need to drop ridiculous comparisons to successful college QBs.
 
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Sometimes I really wonder which player you people are watching. Because the one I watched was an INT waiting to happen. And if Memphis weren't literally the worst D-1 program in football, he'd have had at least 1, maybe 2 picks versus them. Russell has a big time arm, but he's not anywhere near Murray's league yet. And don't get me started on our WRs or our insistence on forcing the ball to Bumphis all the 17ing time instead of spreading it around. Frankly, while I hate Bumphis got hurt, I think we're a better offense without him. He's a crutch for our play calling and isn't very reliable. Guys like Chris Smith, Perk, and Secret Weapon needed more touches. And I thought Heavens on the bubble screen looked better than Bumphis. He doesn't try to juke all 11 men on the field. He makes one move, then goes north-south. Bah, you got me started.

Bottom line, Russell is in no way as good as Murray at this point of their careers. One is a very successful RS FR QB, the other is a bench warming RS FR QB. And one might be lucky to be 2nd string in another season. I'll let you figure out which one that is.
 
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team was in unless Hightower, Kirkpatrick, Milner and Upshaw were demoted between the first and fourt quarters. So your wrong about that and even after he threw a nice pass for a touchdown, when the WR fell down the next series causing an interception, you couldnt get on here fast enough and make a brilliant post:
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but they had some back-ups playing as well...that was not Bama's starting 11 on the field

Yes, he threw a nice pass- but as SouthPanolaDawg said- I wonder what player you people are watching? Because we are playing the best QB we have in Ralph, and there isnt even any doubt about that by people who know what a football is. I've heard women ask why Russell is coming in during games- that should really tell you something.

here is more doubt that Russell can keep the back-up job next year than there is excitement he might overtake Ralph. Let that sink in for you
 
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Coach34 highlights every Russell pick yet never mentions a RElf lob into triple coverage and South Panola just still cant let it go that Tyler kicked Panola's *** a couple of years ago. Spurrier and Saban both recruited Tyler till the end, so I do rely on that as oppossed to the biggest Monday morning qb ever who pretends he knows anything about football
 
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