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Golden Spikes award? Renfroe

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Knock on wood, but Renfroe has to be considered one of if not the top college position player in the country, and with the way he is playing, has to be considered the front runner or close to the top of the Golden Spikes list.

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It all depends

on our team I think. If we can sneak into the top 10 and make some postseason noise he could move up in the talk.
 
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Maroon Eagle said:
LSU's Katz is the one to beat at the moment.
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Completly disagree, they have virtually the same stats, and Renfroe is a much more highly regarded draft prospect. Katz is a senior for goodness sake. All depends on who the voters are. If the voters are people that follow and have interest in the MLB draft, like Kendall Rogers, the Renfroe wins hands down. If its media types like it is for the Conerly, then Katz and Renfroe are about even with Katz possibly a little ahead due to LSU's record.
 
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shotgunDawg said:
Completly disagree, they have virtually the same stats, and Renfroe is a much more highly regarded draft prospect. Katz is a senior for goodness sake. All depends on who the voters are. If the voters are people that follow and have interest in the MLB draft, like Kendall Rogers, the Renfroe wins hands down. If its media types like it is for the Conerly, then Katz and Renfroe are about even with Katz possibly a little ahead due to LSU's record.
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I agree with this. Not to mention, Renfroe does way more than just hit. He is a far better defensive player than Katz, and that is factored in to that award. Plus, Katz has a little better numbers, but he hasn't missed games due to injury like Renfroe. I think it's a tight race right now, and Renfroe might have the nod if defense and gunning runners out at the plate are taken into consideration. It's more than just HR's and RBI.
 
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Yeah Katz is going to be almost impossible to beat. Going into the weekend he was leading the SEC in Ave, Slugging %, HRs, and RBIs and on a team that is going to make a push for the record for most SEC wins.
 
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Katz's SEC only stats thru 4 weekends were insane. batting .500 Slugging over 1.000 and almost 300 points ahead of Renfroe in 2nd. .538 OBP

He is hands down POY as of now. Not sure how this weekend went.
 
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Regardless

of your personal opinion, most have Katz tabbed as of now. His stats are greater in many important categories.
 
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KurtRambis4 said:
of your personal opinion, most have Katz tabbed as of now. His stats are greater in many important categories.
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Fair enough, but the Golden Spikes award is not just hitting (I don't think it is anyway), and nobody is discussing defense. That would put Renfroe at least even with Katz if defense is factored in.
 
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Long as lsu keeps winning Katz will be hard to beat. He also has 18 more rbi's. Katz is pretty good with the glove .991 fielding percentage.

Helps that he has Bregman and Rhymes in front. renfroe needs to stay hot and Katz to go cold.
 
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CadaverDawg said:
Fair enough, but the Golden Spikes award is not just hitting (I don't think it is anyway), and nobody is discussing defense. That would put Renfroe at least even with Katz if defense is factored in.
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Hunter has 8 sb's also. If he could few more, that could help his case
 
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A lot of that has to do with the fact that he plays 1B, so he has very few opportunities for errors. In comparison, Wes Rea has a .996 FLD% (223 chances, 210 putouts, 12 assists, 1 error)
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^^^ this is an excellent point. There's no doubt in my mind that Renfroe is the better player. The question is will voters settle on Katz because his school has more name recognition.
 
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GOOD_DAWG2.0 said:
^^^ this is an excellent point. There's no doubt in my mind that Renfroe is the better player. The question is will voters settle on Katz because his school has more name recognition.
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Katz has better numbers than renfroe at this point. I like renfroe, but Katz deserves it at this point. When lsu and state played, Katz outperformed him then too. Season isn't over, but I'd give it to Katz today.
 
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msstate7 said:
Katz has better numbers than renfroe at this point. I like renfroe, but Katz deserves it at this point. When lsu and state played, Katz outperformed him then too. Season isn't over, but I'd give it to Katz today.
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Renfroe .428 13 hr 42 RBI
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The only real category difference there is in the RBI area. And I would be willing to bet that most of that delta is due to the fact that all but maybe a couple of Renfroe's 13 HRs have been solo shots. Katz likely has gotten significantly more RBI production out of his HRs than Renfroe has.
 
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Renfroe .428 13 hr 42 RBI
Katz .422 13 hr 60 RBI
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You kinda contradicted yourself in these last two posts. You said Katz's numbers are better, and then show Renfroe's numbers being better overall. Plus, Renfroe has stolen bases, assists from RF, and a likely better fielding percentage. All of these go into that award if I'm not mistaken.

18 more RBI is a lot, but not when you have lesser bats around you to get on base, and when your average and HR totals are equal or better, and you missed 6-8 games during cupcake time when he easily could have gotten a few more bombs and several more RBI's.

Kendall Rogers tweeted last night that Katz was barely leading the SEC POTY vote right now is his mind..."Barely". And I tend to agree that it's very close, and much closer than many of our fans think.

Our fans are just so used to bowing down to LSU in sports, that we think it's a given that Katz gets it. Woe is us.
 
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Our fans are just so used to bowing down to LSU in sports, that we think it's a given that Katz gets it. Woe is us.
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I agree. I thought there was no way in hell Stratton would win pitcher of the year last year. Or that Banks would win the Thorpe award this year. I was just thinking "This was fun to watch."
 
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CadaverDawg said:
You kinda contradicted yourself in these last two posts. You said Katz's numbers are better, and then show Renfroe's numbers being better overall. Plus, Renfroe has stolen bases, assists from RF, and a likely better fielding percentage. All of these go into that award if I'm not mistaken.

18 more RBI is a lot, but not when you have lesser bats around you to get on base, and when your average and HR totals are equal or better, and you missed 6-8 games during cupcake time when he easily could have gotten a few more bombs and several more RBI's.

Kendall Rogers tweeted last night that Katz was barely leading the SEC POTY vote right now is his mind..."Barely". And I tend to agree that it's very close, and much closer than many of our fans think.

Our fans are just so used to bowing down to LSU in sports, that we think it's a given that Katz gets it. Woe is us.
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If renfroe had 18 more rbi's, we might be 13-2 in the sec like lsu. 18 more is a considerable gap. Don't think voters will take less at bats into consideration much. Hopefully renfroe keeps it up and Katz slows down.
 
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Katz actually has a better fielding percentage. And renfroe only has one assist. Now alot has to do that he does not get a chance. Katz also has 3 stolen bases.

Renfroe has way more potential but right now I take Katz over him. Every mistake we threw him he hit it over.

Also renfroe was not setting the world on fire when he got hurt.

Thursday night and Next weekend will be big for him. Can he put the numbers up vs vandy. And on national tv Thursday.
 
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The main thing to understand, it that Renfroe is just a much much better player than Katz. There is no doubt that Katz's numbers are very impressive and he should be in the conversation, but for any baseball scout with half a brain, Renfroe is the no doubt better player.

Therefore, we can argue about slugging percentage and RBI's all day, but it ultimately will depend on who votes for these awards. If scouts and real baseball people vote for the award, then Renfroe wins, if the media votes, then we get a Connerly like situation and Katz wins.

Also, do me a favor and stop talking about fielding percentage. Fielding percentage is probably the single worst stat in all of baseball because it doesn't take into account range. i.e. Ozzie Smith gets to a ground ball up the middle that no other SS can get to, and he makes an off balance throwing error. He gets an error for that play when every other SS can't get to the ball and thus its a base hit. Renfroe plays a much more athletic position than Katz and thats not even a question. Also, the expected offensive profile for a right fielder is much lower than that of a 1st baseman. All this = Renfroe much better player than Katz and its really not debatable.
 
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shotgunDawg said:
The main thing to understand, it that Renfroe is just a much much better player than Katz. There is no doubt that Katz's numbers are very impressive and he should be in the conversation, but for any baseball scout with half a brain, Renfroe is the no doubt better player.

Therefore, we can argue about slugging percentage and RBI's all day, but it ultimately will depend on who votes for these awards. If scouts and real baseball people vote for the award, then Renfroe wins, if the media votes, then we get a Connerly like situation and Katz wins.

Also, do me a favor and stop talking about fielding percentage. Fielding percentage is probably the single worst stat in all of baseball because it doesn't take into account range. i.e. Ozzie Smith gets to a ground ball up the middle that no other SS can get to, and he makes an off balance throwing error. He gets an error for that play when every other SS can't get to the ball and thus its a base hit. Renfroe plays a much more athletic position than Katz and thats not even a question. Also, the expected offensive profile for a right fielder is much lower than that of a 1st baseman. All this = Renfroe much better player than Katz and its really not debatable.
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I agree with you. Hunter is better. This is a college award though, so I doubt pro potential is part if decision. Kinda sounds like bama's argument that Milliner shoulda won Thorpe because he'll be drafted higher than banks.
 
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