Golesh in at Arkansas
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Solid hire? Doesn't seem like much of an upgrade.
7-6, 7-6, 8-3 at South Florida.
7-6, 7-6, 8-3 at South Florida.
They are almost all a crapshoot but what he has done at USF is far more impressive than what Sumrall has done at Troy and Tulane considering what they each took over.
No one has any idea how to make the right hire as far as I know. Some coaches that seem legit become failures and others who seem like a gamble end up doing well. He probably has as good a chance as anyone in the NIL era.
UPIG was in a bad position once Penn State, LSU, Auburn, & Florida were hiring in the same cycle.
You're left with what choice is out there? Not a lot of killer young talent or "can't miss" options. It's a weak market out there for solid, proven coaching talent.
Man, all that work I'm sure Petrino did to undermine Pittman and he doesn't even get the job. I assume Golesh won't be keeping him?
Petrino was unimpressive on the field and was unimpressive in the post game interviews. He comes across as old and stale. That fan base needs someone younger who can energize them.
Who would be a solid hire? The answer is we don’t know because coaching hires are like rolling dice.
In the four seasons prior to Golesh taking over as head coach, USF was 4-8, 1-8, 2-10, and 1-11. He has taken them from that to having a winning record every year, and is most likely going to finish this season 9-3 with wins over Boise State and Florida. He also was offensive coordinator under Josh Heupel at both UCF and Tennessee before getting the USF job. I think it's a great hire. He has SEC experience as an offensive coordinator and proven success as a head coach at a place that was terrible before he got there.
Note that he has 3 years head coaching experience in FBS, and has a winning record as a head coach overall and in each of the 3 seasons.
Has experience in the SEC.
Has experience running modern college offenses.
Seems about as solid as it gets to me, especially for a bottom third of the SEC program.
Has experience in the SEC.
Has experience running modern college offenses.
Seems about as solid as it gets to me, especially for a bottom third of the SEC program.
Are you discounting the collective knowledge of SPS when it comes to high stakes coaching searches and general athletic administration?***
You always hear how good a job that is because of booster money. Then you see reality by their hires. Apparently Walmart doesn’t care about football.
I like Golesh and would’ve definitely had interest in him coming here if the opportunity arose. I think it’s a better hire than Morris and Pittman were, if nothing else.
I think some thought they might pull Dabo since he is fed up with Clemson. But I think Dabo is one of these older coaches not getting on board with portal and nil. Great coach and builder but also whines.
Golesh is a good coach. Kind of sucks they couldn't pull Lashley as an alumni. I wonder if he is on the Auburn board?
Golesh is a good coach. Kind of sucks they couldn't pull Lashley as an alumni. I wonder if he is on the Auburn board?
Not to be that guy, but no one outside of that one source has confirmed the hiring of Golesh. Usually the national guys break P4 hiring news, not local media. If there is some sort of scoop the national guys (McMurphy, Thamel, Nakos) quickly confirm it, then all local media confirm their reports.
Not saying Golesh isn't the guy, but a lot of regular fans have run with the report, yet no one I trust has confirmed it.
Not saying Golesh isn't the guy, but a lot of regular fans have run with the report, yet no one I trust has confirmed it.
It's a deadlock guarantee that State's next hire will be a sitting head coach, probably from the G5. You can't roll the dice on a coordinator again. Four out of the last 5 hires were cooridinators. Only Joe Moorhead had experience as a head coach but that was at the FCS level. Mullen was the only one who worked out.
Follow-up question - if that’s generally accepted as a requirement for the next HC, what’s the criteria as far as # years, performance, etc?
Scenarios:
1) A G5 head coach who only has 1 year experience. He goes 6-6, 5-3 in his conference. The year before his arrival, the team was 4-8 / 3-5.
2) A G5 head coach with 3 years experience. His 3 years are 4-8, 6-6, 7-5. Gets better every year, but one game under .500 overall. The 3 years before his arrival were 5-7, 5-7, 4-8.
3) A G5 head coach with 6 years experience. He averages about 7-5. He’s had one losing season and one 9-win season, but never won his conference. Previous guy averaged 6-6 over the same time
4) An FCS coach with 2 years experience. Both years he’s been in the FCS playoffs and won 8-9 games. The coach before him retired and had similar levels of success.
5) An FCS coach with only 1 year of experience, but he won 10 games, won his conference title, made it to the semifinals of the FCS playoffs.
6) An FCS coach with 8 years experience. He averages 8 wins per year. He has two 10-win seasons. Had losing seasons his first 2 years. Has one conference championship. Has made the FCS playoffs 5 times but never advanced past the quarterfinals. Previous coach averaged 6 wins per year.
Assume all of those guys are between 40-50 years old and are capable of coaching for 10+ years. Which ones would you gladly accept at MSU, and which ones would you pass on?
No clue if he pans out but at least they made a hire that has SEC coordinator and G5 experience. It's giving your program the best chance to succeed when you aren't in a position to rob a P4 program of a proven non-retread HC at that level. Keenum, take notes.
edit: misread.
I'd say whoever is most likely to put together a quality staff. Hard to say without knowing who comes with him, what connections he has, etc
In other words he is quite different from the former assistant coach hiring at MSU! He actually has a resume. No way State admin would actually go after a guy like him!
Coordinators from elite programs tend to do pretty good going straight to a P4 job. Assistants from lesser programs, not so much. In order, I’d want coordinator with multiple years playoff experience, successful G5 coach, successful FCS coach. And by successful I don’t just mean 1 good year.
20/20 hindsight... it's not even really about being an assistant at whatever size school. It's what your career path/arc has been up that point.
Mullen was a GA at Notre Dame when Urban Meyer was on the staff. He went with him to Bowling Green, stepped up with him to Utah, then went with him to the big boy league at Florida. Oh and he coached the QBs at all three places. Three of those were pretty ok.
Lebby married a sleaze bag coach's daughter and had an array of titles. Like when the father-in-law makes up some management role at the dealership for the man that's supposed to be taking care of his daughter. He then got on as an OC at an NAIA school. It wasn't even a directional state college. It was just a direction. Then he called plays for three different coaches for 4 or 5 years before we hired him.
One coordinator put in the time with a good coach because he wanted to coach one day. The other spent time with his father-in-law and then was a play caller for hire.
I think we should hire a G5 coach with *at least* three years as head coach, and improved their overall record. Charles Huff fits the criteria. I would prefer someone who runs a quirky offense similar to Kitley at FAU (modern Air Raid) or one of the service academies. The Veer & Shoot is a good offense, but a number of schools (including OM and Tenn) already run it.
I would also be okay with a poaching an established ACC/Big12 coach who has a couple of good seasons with a number of bowl appearances - similar to Leach. That may be hard to pull off unless we throw a ton of money and resources at him.
I don’t want an FCS coach unless he’s another Kalen Deboer, with a high level of success throughout his career.
Ideally we’ll hire an Eric Morris-type who’s on the come at a G5 school. I don’t know who that would be.
