And hello to permanent daylight savings time. And good riddance to standard time.
Goodbye to standard time
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Doesn't it have to go through the Senate first?
Not so fast. Senator Cotton blocked it.
The House has passed this stuff a few times in the past. Perhaps wait until it goes through the Senate before making declarative statements.
I've thought the standard and daylight savings times should actually be flipped so that we get more daylight in the Winter but less in the Summer (we'd still be getting daylight up until 8-8:30 pm).
Honestly that makes more sense than anything. I don’t need 5:30AM to 9:45PM daylight in the summer and 9AM to 4:30PM light in the winter. Just totally ridiculous extremes that completely throw your body off
Minority view - Daylight Savings Time sucks.... especially in the winter time.
This bill has plenty of opponents from senators of both parties, particularly in the central time zone where the sunrise will be way too late in the mornings. Also, it would need 60 votes in the Senate. It's virtually dead.
The current system is the most daylight we can have in our days or at least the most useful daylight. Crying shame the masses don’t understand that and are trying to plunge us into darkness.
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Beats the sun going down at 4:30 PM. This would be so refreshing and I hope it passes.
I feel like everyone would be happier with more daylight after work, not before. Who cares if it’s dark in the morning, you can’t enjoy it anyways.
I hate it being dark at 5:30 more.
Getting dark at 5:30 is what sucks....this is when the most suicides occur....Fact
Who cares about those children waiting for school buses in the dark ? Golf is more important!
what a tragedy standing in the dark for 5 mins how do those kids in Arizona survive?
some of you need to look up why the time change even started and how pointless it is. It was started in WW2 to conserve electricity due to rationing during the war and it’s been proven by countless studies that it doesn’t even do that
The cause of that is that Louisville should probably be in the Central time zone, instead of the Eastern time zone. There are parts of KY east of Louisville which are in the Central time zone.
Standard time sucks in winter time. It's too dark to do anything when you get home from work or school.
If you whack yourself because it gets dark too soon after work you've probably got other problems going on.
Don't know why everyone complains about it. After a week you adjust and being out in the pool or lake,with the sun out late on those long summer nights it great. And that Monday when we set our clocks back in the fall is almost like a second Christmas and who cares if its dark at 4:30, its winter time. Let those Christmas lights stay on a bit longer and its too cold to be outside anyway.
it actually first started during WW1. It was originally Germany’s idea that we foolishly decided to copy.
And, yes, the time change is insanely stupid. We’ve just kept doing it out of inertia for no good reason at all. We should’ve gotten rid of it decades ago.
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You do realize that it's the exact same amount of sunlight, right? Like, just because we label it a certain way doesn't mean there's more of it. Jesus some of you people make rocks look like a higher life form.
Hey thanks for the condescending description of my intelligence, big brain. Shame your big brain doesn’t grasp concepts like morning sunlight being disproportionately crucial for circadian rhythms per empiricism—the reason I dropped in that little word “useful” you quoted there. But you do you, big brain, and have fun getting back to your circle jerk. Say hi to @Beatle Bum and maybe get him to tell you how he touched himself when he thought he taught me the word psychoanalysis. Sorry Harris didn’t come through for you all btw.
I'm sorry you are stupid and can't grasp this simple concept. It's the same amount of sunlight, no matter what time of the day you call it. My 2 year old niece understands this. Please do better.
I fail to see how a system that has it turning dark by late afternoon in winter months is making the best use of daylight.
The current system is antiquated nonsense. It’s way past time to get rid of it.
SUMMER SOLSTICE (Late June)Permanent Standard Time:
Sunrise: 5:10 AM | Sunset: 8:05 PM (We lose an hour of summer evening daylight)
Permanent DST (Current Summer):
Sunrise: 6:10 AM | Sunset: 9:05 PM
WINTER SOLSTICE (Late December)Permanent Standard Time (Current Winter):
Sunrise: 7:50 AM | Sunset: 5:20 PM
Permanent DST:
Sunrise: 8:50 AM | Sunset: 6:20 PM (Pitch-black mornings, but twilight after 5 PM)
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If Congress finally decides to "ditch the switch," the impact on central Kentucky (including Lexington and the surrounding Bluegrass region) would be dramatic. Because central Kentucky is sitting right on the westernmost edge of the Eastern Time Zone, we already experience some of the latest sunrises and sunsets in the zone.
Ending the twice-yearly clock change could go one of two ways: Permanent Standard Time (staying on winter time forever) or Permanent Daylight Saving Time (staying on summer time forever).
Here is exactly how daily life would shift in the Bluegrass under both scenarios.
Scenario A: Permanent Standard Time (Year-Round Winter Time)
If we permanently kept "Standard Time," we would never "spring forward" in March.
The Summer Solstice Reality (Late June):
Currently, the sun sets around 9:05 PM in central Kentucky on the longest days of the year.
Under permanent Standard Time, the sun would set at 8:05 PM.
Meanwhile, the sun would rise at a blinding 5:10 AM.
Daily Life Impact:
Evenings Cut Short: Say goodbye to late-evening outdoor activities. Youth soccer practices, twilight golf rounds, outdoor swim meets, and patio dining downtown would have their daylight cut short abruptly.
Wasted Morning Light: Unless you are up and training at 5:15 AM, a massive block of beautiful summer sunlight would be entirely wasted while the vast majority of the state is fast asleep.
Scenario B: Permanent Daylight Saving Time (Year-Round Summer Time)
If Congress made "Daylight Saving Time" permanent, we would never "fall back" in November.
The Winter Solstice Reality (Late December):
Currently, the winter sun rises around 7:50 AM and sets around 5:20 PM in central Kentucky.
Under permanent DST, the sun would not rise until 8:50 AM, while sunset would push back to 6:20 PM.
Daily Life Impact:
Pitch-Black Winter Mornings: This is the biggest drawback. Elementary and middle school kids would be standing at the bus stop or walking to school in complete, pitch-black darkness. The first period of the school day or the start of the workday would happen entirely before sunrise.
A Sliver of Evening Winter Hope: On the bright side, you wouldn't feel like the day is completely over when you leave the office. Pushing sunset to 6:20 PM means actually seeing a bit of twilight after a 5:00 PM workday ends, which many find a massive boost for winter mental health.
I don't understand opposition to this. But what do i know, there is no accounting for different wants.
I think if you asked those kids if they’d rather have an extra hour of daylight early morning when they’re going to school or late afternoon when they’re free to play and do things …well, I’m pretty sure most are choosing the second one.
This basically comes down to a simple question: would you rather have extra daylight in the early morning or late afternoon/early evening. And, to me, the answer is easy. It should be when the most people need it, and WAY more people are awake and out actually doing things at 5:30 p.m. than 5:30 a.m.
Its gonna suck to live just east of the Timezones though, no? Like eastern Kentuckians arent going to get sunrises until after 9am. Not sure if I take that trade off. Now states west of timezone lines, thats not bad.
Ill take not changing the clocks though more than anything. For anyone who has/had infants and toddlers, that hour change can be a MFer.
Ill take not changing the clocks though more than anything. For anyone who has/had infants and toddlers, that hour change can be a MFer.
Another thought, as so many people have moved to WFH (or just dont work at all living off the gov't), maybe the dark mornings wont matter as much as 10s of millions of people dont have to spend that first hour getting ready and commuting in anymore. Still will be brutal for those that have to go in though.
If the biggest concern is kids waiting for the bus in the dark, then move school start times back an hour instead of forcing the entire country onto an earlier sunset all winter. School schedules are far easier to adjust than changing the clocks for everyone. That way, students can get daylight in the morning while everyone else still benefits from an extra hour of usable daylight after work.
Permanent Standard Time:
Sunrise: 5:10 AM | Sunset: 8:05 PM (We lose an hour of summer evening daylight)
Permanent DST (Current Summer):
Sunrise: 6:10 AM | Sunset: 9:05 PM
Permanent Standard Time (Current Winter):
Sunrise: 7:50 AM | Sunset: 5:20 PM
Permanent DST:
Sunrise: 8:50 AM | Sunset: 6:20 PM (Pitch-black mornings, but twilight after 5 PM)
________________________________________
If Congress finally decides to "ditch the switch," the impact on central Kentucky (including Lexington and the surrounding Bluegrass region) would be dramatic. Because central Kentucky is sitting right on the westernmost edge of the Eastern Time Zone, we already experience some of the latest sunrises and sunsets in the zone.
Ending the twice-yearly clock change could go one of two ways: Permanent Standard Time (staying on winter time forever) or Permanent Daylight Saving Time (staying on summer time forever).
Here is exactly how daily life would shift in the Bluegrass under both scenarios.
Scenario A: Permanent Standard Time (Year-Round Winter Time)
If we permanently kept "Standard Time," we would never "spring forward" in March.
The Summer Solstice Reality (Late June):
Currently, the sun sets around 9:05 PM in central Kentucky on the longest days of the year.
Under permanent Standard Time, the sun would set at 8:05 PM.
Meanwhile, the sun would rise at a blinding 5:10 AM.
Daily Life Impact:
Evenings Cut Short: Say goodbye to late-evening outdoor activities. Youth soccer practices, twilight golf rounds, outdoor swim meets, and patio dining downtown would have their daylight cut short abruptly.
Wasted Morning Light: Unless you are up and training at 5:15 AM, a massive block of beautiful summer sunlight would be entirely wasted while the vast majority of the state is fast asleep.
Scenario B: Permanent Daylight Saving Time (Year-Round Summer Time)
If Congress made "Daylight Saving Time" permanent, we would never "fall back" in November.
The Winter Solstice Reality (Late December):
Currently, the winter sun rises around 7:50 AM and sets around 5:20 PM in central Kentucky.
Under permanent DST, the sun would not rise until 8:50 AM, while sunset would push back to 6:20 PM.
Daily Life Impact:
Pitch-Black Winter Mornings: This is the biggest drawback. Elementary and middle school kids would be standing at the bus stop or walking to school in complete, pitch-black darkness. The first period of the school day or the start of the workday would happen entirely before sunrise.
A Sliver of Evening Winter Hope: On the bright side, you wouldn't feel like the day is completely over when you leave the office. Pushing sunset to 6:20 PM means actually seeing a bit of twilight after a 5:00 PM workday ends, which many find a massive boost for winter mental health.
It seems like a much more practical solution than making millions of people leave work only to find it’s already dark outside for months.
Do kids still ride buses? I mean back in the day we all rode the school bus unless your mother was a teacher - and even then if your teacher mother lived in the community you probably rode the bus because you preferred it. But these days it seems helicopter parents (is that the right term?) think allowing your child to ride the bus is akin to child abuse. Some parents show up 2 hours before school ends (literally) just to "line up" for pick up - the pride of being first in line is just astounding. It seems crazy to me.
I live in Nashville, and it would greatly benefit us, because we are just West of the time zone line. But I totally understand how people just East would hate it.
Part of the problem with that, is where the time zone lines are. West Lafayette, Indiana is on Eastern Time, and it is way west of Bowling Green, Kentucky, which is on Central Time.
I get the school bus argument, and it depends where you live. I live in a suburb of an urban city and we have street lights, etc. That is different than a kid living in a rural area standing on the side of a country road. But as stated above, more parents take their kids to school now than they did in the 1970s when they last tried this. Also, if it changed, schools could adjust their start times, and not begin so early.
I always think I wanted it to stay DST, but no matter happens, a lot of people won't be happy. It is probably easier to just stay as-is.
Part of the problem with that, is where the time zone lines are. West Lafayette, Indiana is on Eastern Time, and it is way west of Bowling Green, Kentucky, which is on Central Time.
I get the school bus argument, and it depends where you live. I live in a suburb of an urban city and we have street lights, etc. That is different than a kid living in a rural area standing on the side of a country road. But as stated above, more parents take their kids to school now than they did in the 1970s when they last tried this. Also, if it changed, schools could adjust their start times, and not begin so early.
I always think I wanted it to stay DST, but no matter happens, a lot of people won't be happy. It is probably easier to just stay as-is.