GoT Thread S6E1

[The Maroon Pug]

Lots of fun stuff and picking up from all the cliffhangers

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- Davos is still the man.

- Doran Martell and his son dying was a twist. Lets hope the Sand Snakes have some better acting this season

- Sansa finally does something smart and accepts Brienne

- Dany is still a stud and standing her ground against this new Khal

Tyrion running into problem #1. Maybe the Masters burned the shipyard?

- Theon grows some imaginary balls

- The biggest wtf is Melisandre, where were these "hints" of her being centuries old? I must have missed that somehow.

 

[57stratdawg]

Not sure what that Melisandre part was all about.

 

[The Maroon Pug]

Im very confused right now. I have been looking at all the spots that mentions her in the books, but cannot find any evidence of what happened.

 

[Pars]

She's shirea seastar. They killed the Martell master plan pretty quickly as well.

 

[The Maroon Pug]

I thought Quaithe of the Shadow was Shirea Seastar? (Season 2 in the show for those who dont remember)

 

[aTotal360]

Would not hit. Elbows too pointy.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

I don't think that's true. Seastar was Bloodravens age, 130ish years. I can't remember which (books, interview, or show) but Mellisandre is some like 400 years old. She's not Seastar, that would make her a Targ and she is not. She's Mellisandre and she's from Asshai.

 

[aTotal360]

There is a fan theory that she's Melody Seastar. Daughter of Sheira. I don't know enough about timelines to know if that's feasible or not.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

Too many throw-away scenes, but I'm just happy it's back.

Jorah/Daario, Tyrion/Varys, Arya, and Margerie all had scenes that could have been skipped.

Dorne is a trainwreck. They killed the only good actor they had there, and then Hotah goes down from a single backstab by Tyene "Bad *****" Sand? The acting is terrible and I don't care about this plot.

The Sansa, Theon, Brianne, and Pod scene was the highlight of the episode. Bravery and honor all around. I love watching Gwendolin Christie do fight scenes.

The Onion Knight, Ghost, and the last honorable men of the Knight's Watch were also great. I hope this is resolved next week.

The Jamie/Cersei scene was great. It showed sincere grief and sadness, and also gave Jamie one of the best lines in the history of TV, "17 everyone who isn't us."

Melisandre scene was unexpected, I hope we get some answers.


Next week sets up to be great. Lots of King's Landing, Bran's green dreams, and the Boltons marching on Castle Black.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

I still think she's much to old to be her

 

[OleMissLogo]

Those throw-away scenes would likely be skipped in Episodes 2-9, but the premier and (to a lesser extent) finale will include them in order to just slightly move the storyline ahead after (or before) the 9 month break.

 

[Shooter McGavin.sixpack]

Dorne is a trainwreck.

Yep. It has all been very rushed and I agree the plot is meh. I understand her man was killed but Ellaria's motivations don't track. Oberyn knew the rules of a trial by combat and agreed to participate. He lost fair and square. However, she is acting like some nefarious plot resulted in his death and now a war will result from her actions.

 

[Shamoan]

fixed: elbows too saggy

 

[engie]

I thought Dorne was an improvement. They ended the whole messy plot line in about 2 minutes and shockingly. Hate how they changed Ellaria, but that's an issue from last season. I suspect that the next time we see Dorne will be in a war that will not even happen this season, at least not on screen. That was really the only thing in the episode that shocked me. Didn't cover as much ground as I thought the episode would.

It's been theorized about Melisandre forever. Do not understand the purpose of this reveal at this time.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

Maybe is showing that, with her powers, things are not always as they seem. For instance, John Snow being dead.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

That's what pisses me off. He wasn't forced into the trial by combat. Hell, he wasn't even asked to do it. He did it entirely on his own. If he were to die in battle would she go on a killing spree and murder everyone in the opposing army? Her character is complete garbage and I can't wait to see her die. I wish that the mountain could rape her and kill her child(ren).

 

[OleMissLogo]

It's been theorized about Melisandre forever. Do not understand the purpose of this reveal at this time.

I thought it was a very good scene, in that it was the first time that she look defeated and ashamed of herself. The reveal wasn't just "lol she's really old" but that it's the first time we see her where she doesn't have it all together.

I've theorized all along (well since I started watching a few seasons behind) that she has really been seeing Jon in the flames and not Stannis, she just thinks it is Stannis because she is seeing the "rightful king" which if you follow the lineage from Robert Baratheon would be Stannis since Robert's "kids" aren't really his kids and no bastards were recognized. However, since Robert is the Usurper, it's really Rhaegar's line that she should be following.

 

[OleMissLogo]

That's what pisses me off. He wasn't forced into the trial by combat. Hell, he wasn't even asked to do it. He did it entirely on his own. If he were to die in battle would she go on a killing spree and murder everyone in the opposing army? Her character is complete garbage and I can't wait to see her die. I wish that the mountain could rape her and kill her child(ren).

Especially since she gets her "revenge" by killing a girl that had nothing to do with anything, simply to hurt Cersei.

Why not try to attack Jaime? Why not sail to King's Landing and try to do something there? Nah, I'm just going to poison kiss a little girl.

 

[Sutterkane]

Still better than the best walking dead episode from last season.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

She even says something along the line of 'I look into the flame and all I see is snow'. Could be interpreted as white walkers or John snow.

 

[aTotal360]

It's obvious what her visions are telling her.

 

[The Maroon Pug]

Amen

 

[The Maroon Pug]

I do not like how they rushed Dorne, and then cut out a lot of Greyjoy stuff from the books, then mention a few days ago that season 7 & 8 will be cut short because the only have about 15 more hours of story.

Could have added more Dorne/Greyjoy in season 2 and 3 to add an extra 5 hours.

 

[aTotal360]

I think all of that just speaks to her flawed character (irrational). Not necessarily poor writing/direction.

 

[OleMissLogo]

I do not like how they rushed Dorne, and then cut out a lot of Greyjoy stuff from the books, then mention a few days ago that season 7 & 8 will be cut short because the only have about 15 more hours of story.

Could have added more Dorne/Greyjoy in season 2 and 3 to add an extra 5 hours.

I haven't read the books, so I don't know about any other/different story lines, but:

1) Where the hell is Bran? They haven't even touched on that story line since the Season 4 finale. If it is because his story line only comes back into play for the ending, then why get him to that point so early then?

2) Where the hell is Gendry? I've thought for awhile that his story line was nothing more than a false flag for people to grab on to (and was mainly just so that Ned could be sure that Joffrey was not the rightful heir). But the fact that he was then touched on in later episodes, only to disappear seems to be sloppy writing. If his story line was important, then why hasn't it been touched on since the S3 finale? If his story line is just a false flag to get people coming up with incorrect theories, then again, why hasn't his story line been touched on since then? And if his story line is nothing more than a means to Ned's end (sorry for the pun), then why did it even continue past S1?

3) Where the hell is Littlefinger? He didn't appear in the last 3 episodes of S5 or in this one. It seems his story line is the only one that wasn't touched on in the premier (other than Bran and Gendry who weren't touched on at all in S5).

I'm not asking for anything that is in the book, though. Just what do y'all think about those story lines from the show's plot?

 

[Southern Law Dawg]

I haven't read the books, so I don't know about any other/different story lines, but:

1) Where the hell is Bran? They haven't even touched on that story line since the Season 4 finale. If it is because his story line only comes back into play for the ending, then why get him to that point so early then

I can answer that one. Puberty hit the actor like a Mack truck. They gave him a year off to let his voice, acne, and balls settle.

 

[OleMissLogo]

I can answer that one. Puberty hit the actor like a Mack truck. They gave him a year off to let his voice, acne, and balls settle.

Okay if that's the case then that not only explains it but is also funny as hell.

 

[engie]

I do not like how they rushed Dorne, and then cut out a lot of Greyjoy stuff from the books, then mention a few days ago that season 7 & 8 will be cut short because the only have about 15 more hours of story.

Could have added more Dorne/Greyjoy in season 2 and 3 to add an extra 5 hours.

They haven't cut much of anything from they Greyjoy story line. Just delayed it until this season. The fleet burning basically guarantees it will intersect with Dany later this season as well.

The story was always supposed to be told in 70 hours. 7 books, 7 kingdoms, 7 gods, 7 seasons was always what they said. They've added time that they held through the end of last season that they wouldn't need/be adding. I certainly don't want any more Dorne as badly as they have messed it up until this point. To me, this was why season 5 sucked. Because I was always expecting it to be getting on toward the end game like season six is actually going to do. When, in reality, it was filler between games. It'd probably be better in a rewatch now that my expectations were removed from it.

 

[engie]

I haven't read the books, so I don't know about any other/different story lines, but:

1) Where the hell is Bran? They haven't even touched on that story line since the Season 4 finale. If it is because his story line only comes back into play for the ending, then why get him to that point so early then?

2) Where the hell is Gendry? I've thought for awhile that his story line was nothing more than a false flag for people to grab on to (and was mainly just so that Ned could be sure that Joffrey was not the rightful heir). But the fact that he was then touched on in later episodes, only to disappear seems to be sloppy writing. If his story line was important, then why hasn't it been touched on since the S3 finale? If his story line is just a false flag to get people coming up with incorrect theories, then again, why hasn't his story line been touched on since then? And if his story line is nothing more than a means to Ned's end (sorry for the pun), then why did it even continue past S1?

3) Where the hell is Littlefinger? He didn't appear in the last 3 episodes of S5 or in this one. It seems his story line is the only one that wasn't touched on in the premier (other than Bran and Gendry who weren't touched on at all in S5).

I'm not asking for anything that is in the book, though. Just what do y'all think about those story lines from the show's plot?

There are a ton of abandoned story lines from earlier seasons in the show that are being circled back to this season.

On Bran -- what were they going to do? I guess they could have drawn out his journey north for longer so to have a few minutes last season -- but it felt like it had about the right amount of screen time overall. He was present last season with easter eggs scattered throughout. No one noticed the crows flying over the field after Stannis' defeat? He's going to be a pretty developed magical bad *** by the time we see him this season. I guess it might have been cool to see him going thru the learning process, but I don't believe it was necessary for a compelling story.

Gendry is an unconfirmed situation. One of the few open ended things that aren't(confirmed) to be answered this season. There are a BUNCH of them that are actually going to be answered. What's going on with the Blackfish/Edmure in the Riverlands? Walder Frey? Umbers? What about the Hound? Jon? TOJ? RICKON, Etc. It may be strange that we haven't seen Bran since season 4 -- but we're circling back to characters we haven't seen since season 3 and season 2 as well.

Littlefinger will wind up in the north with his Vale army in time for the biggest battle probably ever filmed for tv..

 

[OleMissLogo]

They wouldn't have really had to draw anything out with Bran, just touched on his story line less frequently. So the same screen time, just spread out a bit better so that it wasn't "Okay, big revelation, here is where Bran has been going, will he discover the secrets to stop the White Walkers, oh uh well see you in 2 years..."

If he had gotten there at about 5.5 rather than 4.10 I don't think it would be as strange, and with as many story lines that are going on in the entire thing, they could have pretty easily cut to his a little less frequently and shown the same amount without drawing it out.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

They could have extended Brans story into season 5 by including his journey north of the wall with Cold Hands and Sam. Another plot that I was really hoping to see.

 

[aerodawg.sixpack]

Not sure what that Melisandre part was all about.

My first thought was she transferred her 'life-force' over to Jon Snow somehow. But without being in immediate proximity that seems unlikely.

 

[Shooter McGavin.sixpack]

Something is going to happen with Jon Snow when/if Davos and his crew can escape Thorne and his cronies. There are too many hints he has a bigger part to play in the end game to be unceremoniously killed by a bunch of idiots who can't see the bigger picture.

 

[engie]

They could have extended Brans story into season 5 by including his journey north of the wall with Cold Hands and Sam. Another plot that I was really hoping to see.

The series would never end...

 

[Shamoan]

but GOT can get away with a lot more on HBO...than TWD can on AMC...so GTFO...JK.

 

[Chesusdog]

The Dorne plot line is the weakest by far. There was a lot of complaints about the piss-poor acting of the Sand Snakes last year. Looks like they said screw all that and doubled down on it.

 

[coach66]

Several centuries of gravity have not

Been kind, damn.

 

[Pars]

Areo Hotah getting it in the back from the "bad *****" sand snake was a poor ending for a strong character

 

[Pars]

Also the Dothraki comedy routine was about the worst thing to come out of this series. Cringe worthy

 

[The Maroon Pug]

1) Bran is now the equivalent of Luke Skywalker in 'Return of the Jedi'. He has been training behind the scenes and now is a lot more powerful than people realize. I am on the side of he and Bloodraven are the first line of defense against the White Walkers (and maybe the new Night King, undead Jon Snow?)

2) Gendry is a lost cause in the show. I wish he was coming back but I highly doubt it. Not sure what his purpose would be other than carrying the Baratheon Bloodline. In the books it was Stannis' nephew I believe.

3) Littlefinger is gathering the Vale against the Boltons. Possibly even suprise attack the Lannisters in the Riverlands on the way? (The siege of the Tully's stronghold is still going on) I think thats where Sansa might end up as well. So its a Littlefinger/Sansa/Brienne/Tullys vs. Jamie and the Lannisters/The Freys (17 the Freys)