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Grant presidential library...
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Who cares about a Union Army General? Why do thoughts of Ole Miss occupy over half of your brain?
Reb fans aren't the only ones who stick their nose up at it. I know a bunch of BAMA fans who told me they would never step foot inside "that Yankee's" Presidential library. And I have the feeling there are a lot of southern state's citizens who probably feel the same way but don't say it publicly.
They are about to redo the facade of the building I think.
Typical Confederate Rebel response. They still would refight that war if they could. Why is that Rebel?
Did you know the confederate army was called the rebels? And that this discussion was about former Union general and US President, Ulysses S. Grant?
Yet here you are, on a Mississippi State message board, making the very Ole Miss assumption that he's talking about you.
One of you has OM jism on the brain, that's for certain. But it ain't jethreaux.
I have been twice! It is worth the effort to make time and go.
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What did you want to see there?
Is THIS a joke? There’s no place to put a facility like this in the middle of campus. Might as well put it in a high profile location where visitors can see it when they come into town.
What did you want to see there?
Obviously I’ve never been because I would have sworn and lost a bet that it was adjacent to DWS and the Barnes and Noble bookstore.
Thinking about it now and there is a Cullis Clock museum (?) in that spot instead and I’ve never been there either.
Guess I need to spend a non-gameday day on campus to enjoy some of our great historical and cultural sites.
Will be in Pennsylvania again in August and just realized U Penn has a great museum on middle eastern archaeology that has artifacts such as a wine jar dating to 5400 BC.
Should be very interesting!
Thinking about it now and there is a Cullis Clock museum (?) in that spot instead and I’ve never been there either.
Guess I need to spend a non-gameday day on campus to enjoy some of our great historical and cultural sites.
Will be in Pennsylvania again in August and just realized U Penn has a great museum on middle eastern archaeology that has artifacts such as a wine jar dating to 5400 BC.
Should be very interesting!
Also, Grant is such an important figure in American history. His is like landing a top 10 pick in the draft for presidential libraries.
The only way it could’ve been better would’ve been if we had gotten the Joe Biden Presidential Library.
That Union general kicked the ever living sh** out of Robert E Lee’s azz!
Oh give it a break. Grant is one of the most important figures in American history. This is an undisputed major positive for MSU, as such the usual suspects here have to dis it. You are very much a usual suspect.
What did I say to make you get so emotional? Grant is my third favorite president of all time behind Biden and Lincoln. I often feel like I relate to Grant due to me also being a habitual alcoholic and a hater of Rebels as he was. I wish you could be civil for once. I hate when you’re on your period.
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Yeah, Grant was pretty much a drunk. Which may have helped him in some of his battlefield decisions. I always thought Robert E. Lee was the best field General there was in the Civil War. The only bad tactical decision he made was when he basically had Washington D.C. completely surrounded and could have attacked and won the war.....but for some reason, he didn't......letting Lincoln off the hook and leaving a crack in the door for him to regroup and drive into the South ulimately winning the war. I think Lee was a West Point graduate and Lincoln asked him to lead the Union Army. Lee declined saying he was a Virginian at heart and felt his allegiance was with the South. Strange how friendships can go in opposite directions for the smallest of reasons.
I definitely want to go. Without living in starkville, I'm generally there for an event and usually dont have the time. The location hurts too. That new location will help a lot
I’m still hoping LSU honors Sherman…
James Carville: It’s time for General Sherman to come back to LSU
It appears I’ve caused a bit of a ruckus at LSU.
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More Daughters of the Confederacy ********. Grant was an alcoholic that did occasionally fall off the wagon. He didn’t drink full time or stay constantly drunk as some would have people believe.
If Grant was a drunk and he kicked Lee’s *** then what kind of general was Lee that he couldn’t beat a drunk?
I made the bar joke earlier in the thread, but yes, the man liked to drink. Who doesn't? But, he wasn't a drunkard. He was rarely, if ever, seen "drunk in publick (sic)" As you alluded, a lot of that reputation was started by his political enemies, notably the Klan.
But enough about Ole Miss
Interesting, didn't know that. Got a chuckle out of thisI’m still hoping LSU honors Sherman…
James Carville: It’s time for General Sherman to come back to LSU
It appears I’ve caused a bit of a ruckus at LSU.www.nola.com
All of this brings me to the most painful sentence an LSU Tiger has ever scrawled in the long history of the written word:
It’s time for LSU to follow Mississippi State out of the dark and, finally, adopt a more enlightened view of our past.
Grant actually wasn’t a drunk during the war. Read a good bio on him some time. Lee was a mediocre general. Gettysburg proved he wasn’t a good one. Jackson made Lee. Lee without Jackson wasn’t that great. Jackson was the best field general of that war. Grant was second, Sherman third.
You’re such a nasty person. Just because you hate Biden doesn’t mean everybody does.
Grant was not a drunk. He struggled with the bottle, but that was when he spent time away from his wife out west. He had his demons, but he was able to get help and control.
At the start of the war Lee was asked to lead, but Grant would quickly climb the ranks. He is by far a better general. He saw the way war was going and adopted quickly. He was a strategic and logistic mastermind!
It was often when he was depressed or away from his wife. The guy had demons and a great example of how to fight those demons.
Uh, you can do a lot with 6 acres adjacent to a major college campus that invites and hosts visitors every weekend, and satisfies daily needs for residents of the community. I can spitball and come up with a nice mixed use center with retail on the first floor, a hotel or condos or apartments above, with restaurants out front around a central plaza with a stage for live music for example. Like I said, the school could have made a lot of money off this land and still have the Grant library somewhere else. So we would have both good things.
Then you take the government/state/university sponsored museum that is a unique destination in its own right and doesn't need to be on one of the highest traffic intersections at the front door of the school, and put it on less valuable land the school already owns.
And at first glance I see:
- 10 acres in front of the vet school
- 7 acres at the corner of Stone and Hail State
- 9 acres off Blackjack, between where the FMB practices and Keenum's house. There's a street you could tie in that's actually already named President's Drive.
- There is a ton of land on George Perry Street
These are just examples of where else it could have gone. Some of these may already have future plans, I'm not getting paid to do due diligence, but point is, there are (were) plenty of options. I assume it's too late now, but since you asked.
It is being renovated. Better people with disabilities access. Better building air and HVAC improvements. Will connect to the West campus chilled water loop. The structure to the east of Dorman will house the chilled water infrastructure. Perhaps a set of restrooms that will be Junction accessible on gamedays, while rest of building is locked down. I think they will die the brick to a more maroon hue. A north of 40 million dollar renovation. Will re-open late 2027
